Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania (JWTZ)

I had under estimated the Tz force actually its a silence force nobody actually knows what goes on in it. People think there are Mafala flani. But it looks like the force has a strategy. Having a good Anti-aircraft system insures your air cover and if your are a Defensive army then you really don’t need fighter jets as there mainly offense equipments. To sum up I think jwtz saved a lot in aircraft spare and training as it doesn’t have a sophisticated one.

I also agree Tz is really not a push over as its seems. it’s a brilliant Idea to have the air secured with SAM missile rather then Fighters. And Have a bulk army to neutralize ground invasion. Fly boy’s munaona hiyo. Jwtz with its SAM I don’t see any Kenyan F-5 what ever the series operating over the sky of tz

Sisal Makonge wrote:

I also agree Tz is really not a push over as its seems. it’s a brilliant Idea to have the air secured with SAM missile rather then Fighters. And Have a bulk army to neutralize ground invasion. Fly boy’s munaona hiyo. Jwtz with its SAM I don’t see any Kenyan F-5 what ever the series operating over the sky of tz

Says who ? ndugu yangu tuna ruka bila shida

Lets give credit where it is due bwana Tz has a good strategy. Servicing SAM systems vise vie aircrafts the latter is expensive and if your pilots fall behind in flying hour due to aircraft maintenance then your air force is useless.

Come to think about it which versions are the SAMs? Are the SAMs as old as the Tz North Koreas' Mig17. SAM-3 watu wako masaa with new SAM

Ok kweli lakini aren,t they effective against Ug Mig21/23. and Kenya F-5. there all were all born in the same time so unless its main contenders that’s is ug and Kenya gets a 4th generation fighter Tz is fully secured, hakuna air force that can fly over.

Who told you that SAM of the time are directly proportional to the aircrafts of the time watu mafala kweli.

mJESHI mMOJA wrote:Who told you that SAM of the time are directly proportional to the aircrafts of the time watu mafala kweli.

Hapa guys lets disagree lakini don’t character asasinate each other kama ako na point wacha aji tetea

Rumor has it that these are Tanzania’s MiG29

mmh where are they any latest news?

mJESHI mMOJA wrote:mmh where are they any latest news?

Are they somewhere in Russia undergoing assembly? They look more than the six they are expecting or have they ordered more?

I had a hunch that the Migs would be second hand. Or is this a refurbishing plant

What I have leant is that the Mig-17 are used as trainers and light attack roles. Tz,s lead role fighter is the F-7, Chinese copy of the Mig-21.

The F-7 looks to be quiet aggressive how many in operation any idea?

Sisal Makonge wrote:
The F-7 looks to be quiet aggressive how many in operation any idea?

A file pic shows 10 jets

I think the Tz are not be underestimated with or without the Mig29 or the prehistorically Mig17 for that matter . the air is fully secured with the 2K12 Kub. I don,t see how we can fly F-5 in and out of Tz. Even if we manage to get in going out once the sirens have been raised will be impossible. Any anti-dote for such occasions.
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Sisal Makonge wrote:I think the Tz are not be underestimated with or without the Mig29 or the prehistorically Mig17 for that matter . the air is fully secured with the 2K12 Kub. I don,t see how we can fly F-5 in and out of Tz. Even if we manage to get in going out once the sirens have been raised will be impossible. Any anti-dote for such occasions.
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Whilst agreeing with you and not in any way doubting TZ's impressive air defense capability,it is good to not that a huge slice of Tanzania's military inventory is not serviceable(i.e rusty) hence a good military planner would know what to do. That doesn't mean Kenyan F-5 pilots would have it easy,but i reckon they are more than capable of hitting targets deep in TZ.

kaka I didn’t want to get into this argument but muna kosea Mig that Tz has are very up to date and standards. And one thing good about the Chinese version of MiG21 called F-7 is that they have BVR abilities. Check the internet. If the F-5 escapes to areas that are not covered by the ground air defense unit the F-7 will shoot them down at far distance. We have 16 working MIGS with spreaded anti-aircraft units its impossible.

Look at the cockpit here

Mzalendo wrote:

@Mzalendo,

I' am afraid i don't see anything in this last post of yours. You have missed something. Kindly re-post.

Hapa Mzalendo you are wrong on BvR . There several types of Mig 21

Mig 21 fishbed (original mig21)
Mig 21 lanceR (fishbed upgrade)
Mig 21 Bis (lance upgrade) ug operating these
Mig 21-93 (Russian upgrade fishbed )
MiG 21 2000 (isreali upgrade fishbed/ Bis)
Mig 21 Bison (India modified fishbed)
Mig 21 china or the Chengdu Jian-7 or F-7
Mig21 airguard or F-7M (Pakistan upgrade western avionic)
Mig 21 skybolt or F-7MP ( Pakistan upgrade airguard with more west avionic Italian Griffo radar )
Guizhou JL-9 or FTC-2000 (Chinas latest upgrade of the F-7 side air intakes)

The picture posted by Sisal is an F-7M. the visual difference are the wing structure. The Bison is an India upgraded Mig but it is not as lethal as the Pakistani ones
Out of all these the F-7 ,“M” series are the most competent Mig21 . it has been upgraded with western avionic. One thing I like about China is that they allow you to upgrade their aircrafts as you want it to be. From these China clones cames the skybolt and the airguard..

In short the TZ migs are F-7A. the “A” series is the most basic of the Chinese cloned mig-21. They can never Match a F-5 even with a trainee pilot in it. There very manual to operate which consumes the pilots time during dog fighters.

If Tz upgrades its F-7A to the F-7BG/ Then we can talk. The F-7BG is the only F-7 with BVR capabilities.

Risasi# wrote:Hapa Mzalendo you are wrong on BvR . There several types of Mig 21

Mig 21 fishbed (original mig21)
Mig 21 lanceR (fishbed upgrade)
Mig 21 Bis (lance upgrade) ug operating these
Mig 21-93 (Russian upgrade fishbed )
MiG 21 2000 (isreali upgrade fishbed/ Bis)
Mig 21 Bison (India modified fishbed)
Mig 21 china or the Chengdu Jian-7 or F-7
Mig21 airguard or F-7M (Pakistan upgrade western avionic)
Mig 21 skybolt or F-7MP ( Pakistan upgrade airguard with more west avionic Italian Griffo radar )
Guizhou JL-9 or FTC-2000 (Chinas latest upgrade of the F-7 side air intakes)

The picture posted by Sisal is an F-7M. the visual difference are the wing structure. The Bison is an India upgraded Mig but it is not as lethal as the Pakistani ones
Out of all these the F-7 ,“M” series are the most competent Mig21 . it has been upgraded with western avionic. One thing I like about China is that they allow you to upgrade their aircrafts as you want it to be. From these China clones cames the skybolt and the airguard..

In short the TZ migs are F-7A. the “A” series is the most basic of the Chinese cloned mig-21. They can never Match a F-5 even with a trainee pilot in it. There very manual to operate which consumes the pilots time during dog fighters.

If Tz upgrades its F-7A to the F-7BG/ Then we can talk. The F-7BG is the only F-7 with BVR capabilities.

And talking about BVR capabilities, aren't Kenyan F-5EMs BVR capable?

See kwa ubaya but if the SA6 are working …My reason are the SA-6 shot down a F-16 and the stealth F-117 in Bosnia whats the chances of the F-5 going through. Tz air will be still secured even with acquisition of Su30 by UG.

Ok its true TZ type SAM brought down f-16 lakini more then what meet the eye was used to bring down the F-16.and that’s the same tactics that KAF will use incase of aggression By Su30.

KAF we don’t stand a chance against Su30. lets agree si kwa ubaya it’s my country lakini F-5 vs. Su30 no chance KAF Capt. Bila uwango no chance

Why do you think so are you seeking info or you know thw naked truth?

mJESHI mMOJA these are 4th generation fighter if hazini kazi then why would Russia build them. Kumbuka they is a lot before a fighter flies story za research test pilots blab la blab then they should just have modified the Mig21.

Sisal Makonge wrote:mJESHI mMOJA these are 4th generation fighter if hazini kazi then why would Russia build them. Kumbuka they is a lot before a fighter flies story za research test pilots blab la blab then they should just have modified the Mig21.

Kijana what Russia needs for its defense is not equivalent to what a third world country needs sawa bwana kila kidonda na dawa yake.

Wewe kazi na dawa sio . story za boot camp i had a nasty sergeant major. Kazi na dawa. Ati kunywa dawa na u wende kazi thinking about it really made most of my personality