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Post  mogen Sat Jan 19 2013, 14:43

@Risasi
Please do not do this again, especially as we gear up towards campaigns + elections time which is usually the most divisive time in Kenya. The partisan tussling will find a home here and mess up the forum.

You want my comment here we go:

Very disappointed with nominations. Shockingly shambolic with the results being equally shocking.

Anyway, whether Jubilee or CORD wins both East and West will continue their presence here. Woo is definitely here to stay so are the Reds. Beauty is tech transfer options makes Woo quite favourite for any administration. After all, whoever becomes C-in-C will not just ignore advise from Defence Brass. Sammy & Johnny may try hard but they will have to eat from the same bowl with Woo & the Reds. MRAP vehicle assembly in Mombasa will go full steam regardless of who's in SH. However, ideally, Uhuru shouldn't have run with the Hague manenos still pending. But Kenya being nchi ya ajabu, the bar is already lowered so much that we might have Waititu for Nairobi Governor, Kabogo for Kiambu Governor, Sonko for Nairobi Senator and Joho for Mombasa Governor!!!!!!! I give up.

On M7 and Raila I agree with Spartan. Those two, you can never tell what they talk in private. They may have disagreed at some stage but can't be permanent. Crane is wrong on this one.

We will possibly end up getting the leaders we deserve before we learn our lessons.

No more politics from me again.

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Post  mchoraji Sat Jan 19 2013, 15:17

Risasi wrote: Mchoraji watcha hivyo come out and join the party.

Thanks Risasi was around ni call sign tu nilikuwa nimebadili the fire from Flying crane was too much had to lie low for a while but am back kwa majina yangu kamili & expect no further monkey business from this end going forward
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Post  Guest Sat Jan 19 2013, 15:35

Karibu tena Kijana. Let's get a move on. Btw, so that you stop kicking yourself, buddy, hose pics have around for awhile just laying in wait like a claymore mine. When a Claymore trips and shoots eight feet into the air, it's kill-range and effectiveness easily swallows an entire platoon and not just the soldier that tripped it. Let move on.


mchoraji wrote:
Risasi wrote: Mchoraji watcha hivyo come out and join the party.

Thanks Risasi was around ni call sign tu nilikuwa nimebadili the fire from Flying crane was too much had to lie low for a while but am back kwa majina yangu kamili & expect no further monkey business from this end going forward

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Post  Guest Sat Jan 19 2013, 15:58

Vitruvian wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
If Jubilee takes it, I suspect Sammy and Johnny will craft some accommodation of sorts with them. There is too much as stake for more players than just Kenyans. And Sammy will not just roll over and allow Uncle Woo free reign all over Kenyana. I think Sammy's purse strings will loosen as the Carrot comes into play.

If Cord takes it, Uncle Woo will have great difficulties surviving in any format in Kenyana. Sammy and Johnny will entrench themselves in Kenya and Kenyana than even during their unchallenged Colonial Epoch

It's like you knew this one would draw me out, ...>


/Bro, where the Lenana have you been and done what? After a year working dark you ease in without an by-the-way! Man outta take you around the Mess and just shoot you, O! Great to have you back.

And yeah, it is confusing to analyze the histories of our political dynasties. Which only establish just how fickle our politics was founded and still is. In the bipolar cold war age it probably made sense the divisions. Lumumba and Kasavimbi / mobutu. Kenyatta and Odinga. But Uhuru and Raila just beats me to the ground - what is the Philosophical fault lines between them and the political houses they have built? No matter from which direction I consider this question and no matter the lofty and violent intellectual protestation of the ideologues in either House, I spot greater similarities than dissimilarities such that they appear Gemini Twins in every respect.

Don't go "dark" again. And check your PM

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Post  mchoraji Sat Jan 19 2013, 16:38

MWAURA wrote:

I'd rather we avoided politics for several reasons:
-the pro political forumers will flock here and turn this place into another mashada
-instead of discussing regional geopolitics we'll be on about TNA/CORD bullshit
-the diehard followers will never leave! Trust me. Threads on OPVs or corvettes will somehow be derailed into RAO manenos. We'll practically have to delouse the place to get rid of them

I also am in the group that feels we shouldn't go political.....not especially in this high-octane season.Been checking sites that discuss nothing but siasa & the vitriol being poured.....simply unbelievable.I remember there's a guy who tried to introduce some north eastern kenya politics in this forum & we all came out to say we weren't interested that was the last we heard of that....we shouldn't allow it now.but just this once am let down by my people; joho, waititu, kabogo, mary wamboi, sonko....and the most interesting? trying to sneak in a rejected oburu. as ON says non of these sides is different from the other. Jubilee, cord, amani they are all the same. the middle class may not have wanted waititu for example to clinch the nairobi gov.'s ticket but where were we? we were too busy to go out n vote but the guys in korogosho n mukuru who have time since most are jobless & who usually are 'helped' by waititu when need be were ready to stand with their man.I just hope on 4th of march a public holiday we wont be 'too busy' to vote. it's our last chance otherwise we'll whine for five good years. I am really wondering how UHURUTO will govern should they win.....& let's not think they can't. was in areas where they are loved over Christmas & there people will vote for them to the last man....& the numbers leaning towards them.....quite impressive.I also funga any more politics otherwise in two months the forum will be UN-recognizable
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Post  mchoraji Sat Jan 19 2013, 17:16

By the way guys i read somewhere about a cyber attack that has been targeting many nations around the world.curiously ke, Ug & Tz were all listed as having been targeted.Hope our most sensitive information in our respective nations is safe. we haven't forgotten last year's saga where a guy hacked into more than a hundred Gok sites. hope the govt. engaged IT experts who can secure it's servers after that. otherwise with the region increasing it's importance going forward many spies may be interested in what we are up to.

Preliminary findings show that the massive cyber-attack – that was still on by early January when the report was being complied – is targeted at Government institutions such as embassies, nuclear research centres, and oil and gas institutes.

Red October has been sucking up all files including word documents, Excel files, PDFs, among others. Its victims are also carefully selected are mostly ‘high-profile’ organisations. It even monitors when a USB storage device is plugged into a computer, and it will try to undelete files.

Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Chad, Sudan, and Eritrea have been hit by Red-October virus.


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Post  Risasi Sat Jan 19 2013, 20:41

Landing gear down.,,,hahaha @ON 30 mike mike on over haul before I move on..poleni jamaa ..my track record speaks for its self ..i am no politician but somehow I was compelled to ask after an interesting discussing with a dot.com rookie who out smarted me 10:1 . he made me feel like my uniform was a collection from kikomba i.e I hadn,t earned it professionally. I therefore licked my wounds came to where I know best to get opinions about my “wrong”..kwa hivyo kwa wale who feel offended samahani ..i just needed to sample the floor before we go on , let it not rub you the wrong way and I can bet on my service number this will not turn out into a masada blog,. The saying goes you cannot be a jack of all trades..kuna kwengine I have to listen even if their my Jnr or other professionals .

So this is what the 3 diamond jnr phrased it;

“Johnny was very upset when we ditched the landrovers for landcruiser , Vickers Mk3 for T-72 + several other asset for the KDF.without going into specifics. We all know what Hon.Edward Clay said decade ago. We survived a decade with Mr. Woos utensils, OLN and Thika Highway speaks for that. Today johnny/Sammy wants to come in again under a CORD umbrella”. the boy continues “and if they do they will make sure that this time around, they will be in with perpetual binding agreements, inform of long term loans and aid… hata kama if we change our leadership (K.E) johnny/sammy will still control the resources thereafter” “jubilee” as he states “will always go Mr.Woo way.which dosn,t have strings attached, cause once Bensouda issues her warrants Johnny/ Sammy will be bound by morals not to trade with K.E, leaving an open gap for Ivan / Woo to fill. The two will circumnavigate any ICC resolutions when it comes to resources. e.g Sudan,Zim, iran. And we will get the best from them…

Open secret: Very Happy Ivan gave Mr.Cranes a flock of his sweet birds Su30 and K.E his best gunships Mi-28 in order to secure a sit along johnny / Sammy in the Kenyana arms table and a % of future hydrocarbons. If Ivan/Woo is alone interrupted we will get the best from them in order to secure a future. We are not extremist so ICC sanctions wouldn’t be agonizing. once UHURUTO is out 5years today will still have our resources in a manageable way and with no strings attached. We can there after sell the resources to the highest bidder in a sober mind with all the wazee,s and old Guards gone”he warned me “ try selling today, the old guards will end up filling in their stomachs and vomiting on their shoes”…. Surprised therefore UHURUTO is the bitter pill we have to swallow today in order to be cured 5 years on. Take the easy way out and vote in CORD, a white wash, Johnny and Sammy will be here in full swing. And as usual Uncle Sam requirement have to be for filled before he let out something.” he says “ lets go UHURUTO----ICC sanction---Mr Woos help---Woo infustuctor (5 years)----fresh leadship and a matured nation ----sell the country to the highest bidder---enjoy the fruits of our nation”



This is what he told me, I am green in this area, and that’s how I was out done 10:1. Anyway if we have nothing to more to add lets go back to the uniform talks.Laughing


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Post  Guest Sat Jan 19 2013, 20:59

ole Nkarei wrote:
Vitruvian wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
If Jubilee takes it, I suspect Sammy and Johnny will craft some accommodation of sorts with them. There is too much as stake for more players than just Kenyans. And Sammy will not just roll over and allow Uncle Woo free reign all over Kenyana. I think Sammy's purse strings will loosen as the Carrot comes into play.

If Cord takes it, Uncle Woo will have great difficulties surviving in any format in Kenyana. Sammy and Johnny will entrench themselves in Kenya and Kenyana than even during their unchallenged Colonial Epoch

It's like you knew this one would draw me out, ...>


/Bro, where the Lenana have you been and done what? After a year working dark you ease in without an by-the-way! Man outta take you around the Mess and just shoot you, O! Great to have you back.

And yeah, it is confusing to analyze the histories of our political dynasties. Which only establish just how fickle our politics was founded and still is. In the bipolar cold war age it probably made sense the divisions. Lumumba and Kasavimbi / mobutu. Kenyatta and Odinga. But Uhuru and Raila just beats me to the ground - what is the Philosophical fault lines between them and the political houses they have built? No matter from which direction I consider this question and no matter the lofty and violent intellectual protestation of the ideologues in either House, I spot greater similarities than dissimilarities such that they appear Gemini Twins in every respect.

Don't go "dark" again. And check your PM

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Post  Guest Sat Jan 19 2013, 22:01

Seems like that Rookie all but tore off your wings, Bullet-man, with his Chain-gun on Full Auto. Pole bana! Well, take heart bro, there are as many arguments to this question on both extremes of it, equally weighty and as demagogic. The appeal is really determined by the political colors of whoever is expressing these opinions.

But in none of the periodically reviewed In-House Strategic simulations across this spectrum of possible reactions by Sammy + Johnny and Woo + Ruskie, that have officially circulated, is there expressed credible risks of Country-Sanction in the event of a Jubilee win. More likely surgical and personal sanctions on elements of their Administration - Country Sanctions would have greater negative impact on Sammy + Johnny African extensive Interests than would affect Kenya. But of course Politics is not pontification. Of the Bible and all advantages are fair Weapons. Liberalization of Trade and greater political, social, economic synergy in Africa Regional Blocks will mitigate indefinitely any County Sanctions and eventually force suspension of Sanction Regimen.

Only "vital National Intrrests" that drive consular relationships between Nations. It is the reason that not even the "good governance" "Rule of Law" "Democracy" boogies are applied with equal vigor for instance by sammy and Johnny on Kenya and Uganda. Sammy and Johnny will seek accommodation with whoever romps home victorious on March 5th.


Risasi wrote:Landing gear down.,,,hahaha @ON 30 mike mike on over haul before I move on..poleni jamaa ..my track record speaks for its self ..i am no politician but somehow I was compelled to ask after an interesting discussing with a dot.com rookie who out smarted me 10:1 . he made me feel like my uniform was a collection from kikomba i.e I hadn,t earned it professionally. I therefore licked my wounds came to where I know best to get opinions about my “wrong”..kwa hivyo kwa wale who feel offended samahani ..i just needed to sample the floor before we go on , let it not rub you the wrong way and I can bet on my service number this will not turn out into a masada blog,. The saying goes you cannot be a jack of all trades..kuna kwengine I have to listen even if their my Jnr or other professionals .

So this is what the 3 diamond jnr phrased it;

“Johnny was very upset when we ditched the landrovers for landcruiser , Vickers Mk3 for T-72 + several other asset for the KDF.without going into specifics. We all know what Hon.Edward Clay said decade ago. We survived a decade with Mr. Woos utensils, OLN and Thika Highway speaks for that. Today johnny/Sammy wants to come in again under a CORD umbrella”. the boy continues “and if they do they will make sure that this time around, they will be in with perpetual binding agreements, inform of long term loans and aid… hata kama if we change our leadership (K.E) johnny/sammy will still control the resources thereafter” “jubilee” as he states “will always go Mr.Woo way.which dosn,t have strings attached, cause once Bensouda issues her warrants Johnny/ Sammy will be bound by morals not to trade with K.E, leaving an open gap for Ivan / Woo to fill. The two will circumnavigate any ICC resolutions when it comes to resources. e.g Sudan,Zim, iran. And we will get the best from them…

Open secret: Very Happy Ivan gave Mr.Cranes a flock of his sweet birds Su30 and K.E his best gunships Mi-28 in order to secure a sit along johnny / Sammy in the Kenyana arms table and a % of future hydrocarbons. If Ivan/Woo is alone interrupted we will get the best from them in order to secure a future. We are not extremist so ICC sanctions wouldn’t be agonizing. once UHURUTO is out 5years today will still have our resources in a manageable way and with no strings attached. We can there after sell the resources to the highest bidder in a sober mind with all the wazee,s and old Guards gone”he warned me “ try selling today, the old guards will end up filling in their stomachs and vomiting on their shoes”…. Surprised therefore UHURUTO is the bitter pill we have to swallow today in order to be cured 5 years on. Take the easy way out and vote in CORD, a white wash, Johnny and Sammy will be here in full swing. And as usual Uncle Sam requirement have to be for filled before he let out something.” he says “ lets go UHURUTO----ICC sanction---Mr Woos help---Woo infustuctor (5 years)----fresh leadship and a matured nation ----sell the country to the highest bidder---enjoy the fruits of our nation”



This is what he told me, I am green in this area, and that’s how I was out done 10:1. Anyway if we have nothing to more to add lets go back to the uniform talks.Laughing

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Post  MasterChief Sat Jan 19 2013, 23:59

In discussing politics

Because whatever the outcome in march will redefine our regional political and economic strategies.


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Post  jasiri Sun Jan 20 2013, 01:41

MasterChief wrote:In discussing politics

Because whatever the outcome in march will redefine our regional political and economic strategies.


Introduce yourself sir..

@Risasi.
Largest CIA station in Africa, Camp Simba, Multi Billion dollars worth of defence deals (air base renovations, warplanes and associated gear, training for SOCOM, drones, radars etc) Largest UKMoD training site..and someone is trying to convince me that the imperialist (i know i sound socialist) will forfeit that all in the name of justice? The same guys who were behind Nicaragua, Congo, Zimbabwe, Northern Ireland are that much pro-justice?
In 2007 some big bird told me that had the looser won, then a prior deal between him & the USG to build a naval facility in south coast would have been effected. As we approach the elections, the hounds of war will bark sanctions at every turn, bensouda will continue 'netting' more witnesses to testify against 'criminal masterminds' and 'war criminals'. The closer we get to the elections, the more noises we will hear about Hague. This is purely to scare Kenya into avoiding an economic 'siege'. but really lets look at this deeply.1. How is it possible to isolate Kenya without the larger East Africa not having seizures? Will they punish downriver states who had nothing to do with our woes? 2. How in heavens name will the UNSC ever agree on sanctions against Kenya? and for what? electing our choice? 3. if it is unilateral sanctions from U.S, U.K (funny how they think they are France) will they be willing to loose all their frontier security installations in retaliation? How much of what hasn't already been lost to China are they willing to loose? All this noise was designed to give their preferred candidate a clear path. Isolate and contain operation, but as always the unpredictability of Kenyans messed it up.
At the completion of V2030, AFRICA hopes to have the port at Douala connected to the port pf Lamu. U.S/Canada and E. Latin America bound goods from Mid East and Asia will be offloaded at Lamu, transported via the land bridge, then shipped from Douala. This drastically reduces risks and costs. It also puts Kenya and indeed Africa squarely in the middle of Global trade. Everyone wants to control this. If America misbehaves, China cuts them off. They would have completed their encirclement of Arabian oil(Gwadar in Arabian sea, Port Sudan in the Red sea and Lamu in the Indian) and now East African oil and LOC's(Lines of Communication). In short, the have them by the balls.
With CORD China will still have a foothold, with Jubilee things change for the better for them. As for the imperialist, we are just lucky the era of coups has passed. They (the worlds policemen) need CORD to survive here. Jubilee wins they can do nothing, least of all some humanitarian/democratic bombings. So gentlemen, I for one do not buy the crap they are selling us about sanctions. It is as impossible as a strip club in Mecca. Should Jubilee win, they will make allot of noises during the infancy to try n maybe get Kenyans to gang up so that they come with a pre-manufactured solution that suits their interests. Whether CORD or Jubilee are the right people for the job, that is for braver souls to ask and answer. As for me i'll only deal with how this election will affect Kenyana. Remember gentlemen, it is about interests not justice that is how the world is run.
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Post  jasiri Sun Jan 20 2013, 02:22

@ Mjeshi, Mwaura, Cycoh (n other 'seamen')
I think those dismissing the Azmat class do not realise how powerful this little boat is. Look at it's armament
1x What looks like a 25mm twin barell auto cannon as the main gun.
*2x quadruple launchers of (i assume) all aspect TY-90 SAM's
2x manual 12.7mm machine guns in the port and starboard.
2x quadruple launchers for the C-802 (Ying Ji 82) anti-ship missile.
air/surface Search radar
another version has

25mm twin barell main gun
1x rear facing AK 630 CIWS
2x quadruple C-802 missile launchers
Air/surface search radar

This is the perfect ship for Kenya, displacement bias aside. It will literary follow you up to your mangrove covered bay, unleash hell with its 25 mike mikes, then turn and power up to 30 knots before you can say 'gunboat'. If faced with a bigger enemy this boat will bloody you. It will fire its 120 km anti-ship missile and turn for home. When you fire your retaliatory salvo, the get plucked out the sky by it rear facing CIWS. It is your evvery day coast guard boat and yet it is a deterrent against EEZ violations too. What more could you ask of a boat? This little beauty packs more punch than allot of the corvettes out there! I'm gunning for this one.
@ Risasi, The Woo family is testing their Globemaster class aircraft Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy naskia inaitwa Y-20. Good stuff Uncle Woo.
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Post  proud kenyan Sun Jan 20 2013, 10:34

MWAURA wrote:

I'd rather we avoided politics for several reasons:
-the pro political forumers will flock here and turn this place into another mashada
-instead of discussing regional geopolitics we'll be on about TNA/CORD bullshit
-the diehard followers will never leave! Trust me. Threads on OPVs or corvettes will somehow be derailed into RAO manenos. We'll practically have to delouse the place to get rid of them

Kenyana's momentum is building and will be irrevocably stunted if we go back to the Anglos. Their control mechanisms of debt enslavement,remote control & proxy wars are a guarantee to development without progress. For example,imagine if Brits had built the Thika hway;how much would they have charged?
We've gone a decade without buying any major Brit hardware-has the KDF suffered in any way? The West needs to realise they've been outflanked by new realities.

i support mwaura 100% on this,and it seems he was right,seeing the contributions after this..
my main worry is the media,the only people who can sell an agenda to the masses whether good or bad. in kenya, the media is always pessimistic apart from the period in the aftermath of 2003-before the referendum 2005,where growth gained real momentum. i suspect some foreign interference hence ole man looking to the east in subsequent years fro growth of kenya.
so for kenya to grow,the whole country should function as one..hence kenyana growth

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Post  Guest Sun Jan 20 2013, 10:55

Right outta the curriculum book, @Jas; a perfect geopolitical analysis without the corrupting influence of our fractious partisan politics. Bottom line is - why would Johnny shoot his foot to make a philosophical point that has no impact on his wellbeing? Does the arguments we have in Kenya hold significance to Sammy's National interests? Is it really anathema that Sammy and Johnny have comfortably made deals with the Devil in their National Interest for over a Century of Real-Politiks? Is China, now the preeminent Strategic Partner of Europe and America, any more democratic than Chad? What of Marcos of the Phillipines, Zenawi of Ethiopia, Morsi the rabid Jew-hater, Assad if Syria, Abdullah of Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Bahrain, Ecuador, Israel,, Shah of Persian, Milosovec of Serbia, Bosnia Butcher-President , tthe seething Caucasian Republics encouraged by Sammy, Kazai of Afghanistan, how many of Sein Fein are at ICC for fifty years of Irish bloodletting? What of British Colonial Genocide in Kenya, Burma, Malaysia, Rhodesia - was it any different from the War Crimes Japan is still internationally vilified for which happened at concurrent times? Australian continued genocide of the Aborigines. South Africa seventy year Apartheid Blot on humanity - how was justice for the African black and colored millions of white rule ever delivered? Seven Million Africans dead under the watch of the MONUSCO / UNSC - and counting - is there mention of future retribution against the know perpetrators? I can go on the whole day and a night.

The world has never been about fairness and neither does the ethereal concept of international justice exist anywhere but in foreign policy Think-Tanks of Hegemonistic global powers. And we in Kenyana would be served best if we internalized the un-romantic understanding that in all issues "Vital National Interest" will always drive Consular interactions between Nations. Our Interest are not always Sammy's - hell, even in the EAC there are divergences in plenty! We must drive an Africacentric Policy in our interactions with the World if we are to endure this Century. The French and American Policy- divergence in Africa have generated the dangerous lethargy over Malu, CAR and Tchad. Even the Philosophy of Messianic Redemption has spawn "Nationalistic" interpretations - Presbyterians, Anglicans, Lutherans, Coptics, Catholics, etc hehoho!

We are very much on own, our brother's keeper. Regardless of our sometimes violent political divergence, these misplaced notions that somehow Sammy and Johnny will have an Epiphany moment and swoop down to install a preferred regime even when it is evident their Interest will be served by any other regime, is patent ignorant nonsense. Such altruistic idealism has not even once manifested in a millennium of Africa's engagement with the Arabs and the West.

jasiri wrote:
MasterChief wrote:In discussing politics

Because whatever the outcome in march will redefine our regional political and economic strategies.


Introduce yourself sir..

@Risasi.
Largest CIA station in Africa, Camp Simba, Multi Billion dollars worth of defence deals (air base renovations, warplanes and associated gear, training for SOCOM, drones, radars etc) Largest UKMoD training site..and someone is trying to convince me that the imperialist (i know i sound socialist) will forfeit that all in the name of justice? The same guys who were behind Nicaragua, Congo, Zimbabwe, Northern Ireland are that much pro-justice?
In 2007 some big bird told me that had the looser won, then a prior deal between him & the USG to build a naval facility in south coast would have been effected. As we approach the elections, the hounds of war will bark sanctions at every turn, bensouda will continue 'netting' more witnesses to testify against 'criminal masterminds' and 'war criminals'. The closer we get to the elections, the more noises we will hear about Hague. This is purely to scare Kenya into avoiding an economic 'siege'. but really lets look at this deeply.1. How is it possible to isolate Kenya without the larger East Africa not having seizures? Will they punish downriver states who had nothing to do with our woes? 2. How in heavens name will the UNSC ever agree on sanctions against Kenya? and for what? electing our choice? 3. if it is unilateral sanctions from U.S, U.K (funny how they think they are France) will they be willing to loose all their frontier security installations in retaliation? How much of what hasn't already been lost to China are they willing to loose? All this noise was designed to give their preferred candidate a clear path. Isolate and contain operation, but as always the unpredictability of Kenyans messed it up.
At the completion of V2030, AFRICA hopes to have the port at Douala connected to the port pf Lamu. U.S/Canada and E. Latin America bound goods from Mid East and Asia will be offloaded at Lamu, transported via the land bridge, then shipped from Douala. This drastically reduces risks and costs. It also puts Kenya and indeed Africa squarely in the middle of Global trade. Everyone wants to control this. If America misbehaves, China cuts them off. They would have completed their encirclement of Arabian oil(Gwadar in Arabian sea, Port Sudan in the Red sea and Lamu in the Indian) and now East African oil and LOC's(Lines of Communication). In short, the have them by the balls.
With CORD China will still have a foothold, with Jubilee things change for the better for them. As for the imperialist, we are just lucky the era of coups has passed. They (the worlds policemen) need CORD to survive here. Jubilee wins they can do nothing, least of all some humanitarian/democratic bombings. So gentlemen, I for one do not buy the crap they are selling us about sanctions. It is as impossible as a strip club in Mecca. Should Jubilee win, they will make allot of noises during the infancy to try n maybe get Kenyans to gang up so that they come with a pre-manufactured solution that suits their interests. Whether CORD or Jubilee are the right people for the job, that is for braver souls to ask and answer. As for me i'll only deal with how this election will affect Kenyana. Remember gentlemen, it is about interests not justice that is how the world is run.

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Post  Kobooz Sun Jan 20 2013, 13:38

Let me say here that Kenya will only change when we elect new faces! i will personally vote for Ole Kiyapi. I here you say that mine will be a wasted vote! & i ask how popular was Obama? we Kenyans have simply failed to believe in change. it is because of this 'popular guy' notion that we are neither here nor there. i dread the thought of having a hooligan govern nairobi. u can image them calling all the hawkers to come & occupy cbd. the country will go back 10 years. Change we need

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Post  proud kenyan Sun Jan 20 2013, 16:35

jasiri wrote:@ Mjeshi, Mwaura, Cycoh (n other 'seamen')
I think those dismissing the Azmat class do not realise how powerful this little boat is. Look at it's armament
1x What looks like a 25mm twin barell auto cannon as the main gun.
*2x quadruple launchers of (i assume) all aspect TY-90 SAM's
2x manual 12.7mm machine guns in the port and starboard.
2x quadruple launchers for the C-802 (Ying Ji 82) anti-ship missile.
air/surface Search radar
another version has

25mm twin barell main gun
1x rear facing AK 630 CIWS
2x quadruple C-802 missile launchers
Air/surface search radar

This is the perfect ship for Kenya, displacement bias aside. It will literary follow you up to your mangrove covered bay, unleash hell with its 25 mike mikes, then turn and power up to 30 knots before you can say 'gunboat'. If faced with a bigger enemy this boat will bloody you. It will fire its 120 km anti-ship missile and turn for home. When you fire your retaliatory salvo, the get plucked out the sky by it rear facing CIWS. It is your evvery day coast guard boat and yet it is a deterrent against EEZ violations too. What more could you ask of a boat? This little beauty packs more punch than allot of the corvettes out there! I'm gunning for this one.
@ Risasi, The Woo family is testing their Globemaster class aircraft Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy naskia inaitwa Y-20. Good stuff Uncle Woo.

problem with the Y20 is the engines..apart from the few constructed runways this bird would have problems landing on the airstrips Risasi and co. use in the region..this would be best suited for missions africa-wide
which also brings up a question: the expeditionary force..what would be needed for it to be fully functional in the long run,assuming what it needs to be up and running and its area of influence in africa as a whole,making the above mentioned bird among others mentioned before (the embraer etc) a neccesary part of stores

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Post  Risasi Sun Jan 20 2013, 21:11

Point on @ Jas. @ON the rookie had his cannon slaved to a laser illuminate and each turn or dive I took, his 25MM was glued at my Six.,,kwa marafiki zanguni I think you get what I intended to discuss . its not individual politicians and their parties lakini the policy that might follow suit by default or design..

@Jas/ON. This note is for you.

I don,t see why you don,t see johnny/Sammy screeching to a halt when UHURUTO is elected. Very Happy Camp simba will not close due to the jubilee in power neither will the UK training grounds that borders O.N villages. That’s too farfetched. The imperialist will remain one under the pretext “war on terror” and the other guy under " a defense training agreement" like Operations Askari Warrior but their investment will reduce giving Woo/Ivan an opportunity to increase his by demand and default.. they wouldn,t be able to impose their equipment to us inexchange for Hydrocarbons. because UN sanction forbids them trading arms with countries that are interdicted in crimes against humanity (UHURUTO). Its a cord of conduct. And mind you even without Un sanction its very easy for UHURUTO to ignore Johnny/Sammy and trade with Woo/Ivan because Johnny/Sammy will definitely disdain UHURUTO due to the Hague affair(morales). In fact he doesn’t have beef with Jubilee in power when it comes arms trade and the like. he is pro-jubilee. He calls it a good bargaining chip consider their investment (military) like camp simba. To him jubilee will give Woo/Ivan the opportunity to invest more (military or socially) unchecked. I don,t know if we are together up to that part. Very Happy

If we go the CORD way Woo/Ivan get pushed off without a blink and we have to bow to that single idol once again. We are good boys now and several Ex-US Force equipment’s start flocking in and we (military) go back to the 80 and 70. Johhny/Sammy stuff from the belt to the button. And Johnny/Sammy stuff definitely comes with clauses. fail them and we are grounded bro. According to him the Ole Man gamble and experimented with Woo and the results were witness and impressive in OLN. Don,t let that go out the window by “Electing Moral up right men”. In OLN the Puma was rivaled with theMi-171,Buff with the Y-12 and MD500 with Z-9. And they wasn,t a time in the Ops that we felt Ivan/Woos stuff was strangling to keep up with johnnies.lets continue with them with free hands.

CORD will bring the west back to the defense budgets again; expensive equipment’s, sound names (good for the wanainchi) but with compiling clauses.

Lets keep it jubilee a bitter pill with a brighter future. in fact UHURUTO will strive to meet the citizens demand in order to create a good name because they are international reject s even if they want to get financial mischievous they don,t have the dens to hide the cash. Evil or Very Mad

Nikona shida?

Does it make sense?

How much is fact and fiction?

i rest my case I love you


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Post  Sierra Kilo Sun Jan 20 2013, 21:12

proud kenyan wrote:
The problem with the Y20 is the engines..apart from the few constructed runways this bird would have problems landing on the airstrips Risasi and co. use in the region..this would be best suited for missions africa-wide
which also brings up a question: the expeditionary force..what would be needed for it to be fully functional in the long run,assuming what it needs to be up and running and its area of influence in africa as a whole,making the above mentioned bird among others mentioned before (the embraer etc) a neccesary part of stores
I think the Chinese are targeting the Hub to Hub kind of heavy lift aircraft which is indigenous other than relying on foreign manufactured ones like the Il-76s in their inventory. The design of the Xian Y-20 almost similar to the C-17 Globemaster will give the Americans a run for their money especially if the chinese choose to put it in the export market.
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Post  Sierra Kilo Sun Jan 20 2013, 21:34

Risasi wrote:
i rest my case
Hopefully!!!!,
but on a different angle on March 4th Kenyans will troop to the polling stations to ensure their kind of man becomes the 4th Head of State to the Republic of Kenya. Then two weeks later that man will be sworn-in in broad day light and in front of the public, so says wanjiku's constitution. My worry is the venue, we all saw the kind of humanity that swarm the Uhuru park grounds in 2002, to an extent the military could not be able to hold their drills to precision. The same size or larger crowd thronged there during the promulgation of the new constitution. Believe you me the swearing in of the 4th president will attract no less than 3 million people to the Uhuru Park grounds. The open space between the main dais and the terraces is where the military showcase their thing, but is also where the media and other service providers usually put up. That space is so minimal and unless that venue is redone with crowd control measures strongly input-ed, we are going to see a major disaster come the swearing day.
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Post  Cycoh 'DUDUS' Sun Jan 20 2013, 23:01

jasiri wrote:@ Mjeshi, Mwaura, Cycoh (n other 'seamen')
I think those dismissing the Azmat class do not realise how powerful this little boat is. Look at it's armament
1x What looks like a 25mm twin barell auto cannon as the main gun.
*2x quadruple launchers of (i assume) all aspect TY-90 SAM's
2x manual 12.7mm machine guns in the port and starboard.
2x quadruple launchers for the C-802 (Ying Ji 82) anti-ship missile.
air/surface Search radar
another version has

25mm twin barell main gun
1x rear facing AK 630 CIWS
2x quadruple C-802 missile launchers
Air/surface search radar

This is the perfect ship for Kenya, displacement bias aside. It will literary follow you up to your mangrove covered bay, unleash hell with its 25 mike mikes, then turn and power up to 30 knots before you can say 'gunboat'. If faced with a bigger enemy this boat will bloody you. It will fire its 120 km anti-ship missile and turn for home. When you fire your retaliatory salvo, the get plucked out the sky by it rear facing CIWS. It is your evvery day coast guard boat and yet it is a deterrent against EEZ violations too. What more could you ask of a boat? This little beauty packs more punch than allot of the corvettes out there! I'm gunning for this one.

A very succintive point there, Jasiri. In terms of armament, the Azmat boat beats even some OPVs and some corvettes hands down. I totally agree with you on the fact that the Azmat packs a real intimidating prowess. My beef was validly adorned with the gravy-timing of procuring this vessel. In other words, it isn't worthy the delay. If we were to order this vessel right now, by mid next year Mjeshi should be conducting some sorties on board.

By 2016, which is supposed to be the delivery time for the Azmat, a gravy-timing misadventure to me, the Kenya Navy which i believe has a strategic expectation to comply with, should have inaugurated a one and half year-old Naval Air Arm- even if it will be still walking on its 'fours', if you know what i mean. In the current Kenya Navy procurement-projectile, which we albeit ineptly base our arguments on, it doesn't seem to be gunning for a "green water" capability any time soon, a strategic dilemma. A pre-mature naval air arm can do wonders with a primary vessel like the Type 056 corvette. A game changer for an extra 4 years.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RF5BiuUtM-0/TwPhJK9EmSI/AAAAAAAANkk/-LHlYOSBIU4/s1600/25_167234_05d324e8e2ea3ee.jpg

Then throw in two Azmat vessels with the corvette, I tell you the SBS teams will be attending "full-time" classes and get to know the similarities between life in water and in air. Mjeshi hang on the pedullum and shed some light on the aquisition of Logistical vessels if you in the know-how, we are in dire need. Spot on.

@Kobooz. Don't go full throttle...."Lucky are those who will be enlisted in the first resurretion.." Enough said already! Very Happy
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Post  Guest Sun Jan 20 2013, 23:18

@Bulletman - I completely concur and have said as much in my three earlier posts. Didn't want to be offensive to anyone, and did a recon-type circling around it in typical ground-hog habit. Now, to be clear, and speaking purely for myself alone but also as a Uniform, a Jubilee Win has greater promise for the KDF than a continuance of the stingy, reluctant, half-arsed Sammy and Johnny Military engagement. As long as uncle Woo is ogling us, we get the of both worlds - with the attendant risks and benefits, of course.

@Sierra Kilo - ibis just possible inauguration will not be at Uhuru Park and neither before an open Massed crowd.

Now, question to all forumners - once / if Uhuru is sworn in, what makes anyone imagine fir one instant that the KDF will willingly surrender its C-in-C to a foreign jurisdiction without due process of Impeachment by OUR Senate? Soldiers have since the beginnings of Wars given their lives up without second thoughts around Unit Colors or National Flag - let alone their Commanders inchief.

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Post  jasiri Sun Jan 20 2013, 23:44

Now, question to all forumners - once / if Uhuru is sworn in, what makes anyone imagine fir one instant that the KDF will willingly surrender its C-in-C to a foreign jurisdiction without due process of Impeachment atnthe Senate? Soldiers give their lives up without second thoughts around Unit Colors or National Flag.
hehehe, don't scare away the votes. Remember how your comment on that blog we used to gang up against you with kina Wuod Aketch was used to headline Nairobi Chronicles story? "Army Major defends the purchase of T-72 tanks."
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Post  mogen Mon Jan 21 2013, 05:20

Wazee, am taking cover immediately. I'll be back when the political chat is over. Bulletman takes my barb for this.

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Post  proud kenyan Mon Jan 21 2013, 19:02

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:
jasiri wrote:@ Mjeshi, Mwaura, Cycoh (n other 'seamen')
I think those dismissing the Azmat class do not realise how powerful this little boat is. Look at it's armament

1x What looks like a 25mm twin barell auto cannon as the main gun.
*2x quadruple launchers of (i assume) all aspect TY-90 SAM's
2x manual 12.7mm machine guns in the port and starboard.
2x quadruple launchers for the C-802 (Ying Ji 82) anti-ship missile.
air/surface Search radar
another version has

25mm twin barell main gun
1x rear facing AK 630 CIWS
2x quadruple C-802 missile launchers
Air/surface search radar
This is the perfect ship for Kenya, displacement bias aside. It will literary follow you up to your mangrove covered bay, unleash hell with its 25 mike mikes, then turn and power up to 30 knots before you can say 'gunboat'. If faced with a bigger enemy this boat will bloody you. It will fire its 120 km anti-ship missile and turn for home. When you fire your retaliatory salvo, the get plucked out the sky by it rear facing CIWS. It is your evvery day coast guard boat and yet it is a deterrent against EEZ violations too. What more could you ask of a boat? This little beauty packs more punch than allot of the corvettes out there! I'm gunning for this one.

A very succintive point there, Jasiri. In terms of armament, the Azmat boat beats even some OPVs and some corvettes hands down. I totally agree with you on the fact that the Azmat packs a real intimidating prowess. My beef was validly adorned with the gravy-timing of procuring this vessel. In other words, it isn't worthy the delay. If we were to order this vessel right now, by mid next year Mjeshi should be conducting some sorties on board.

By 2016, which is supposed to be the delivery time for the Azmat, a gravy-timing misadventure to me, the Kenya Navy which i believe has a strategic expectation to comply with, should have inaugurated a one and half year-old Naval Air Arm- even if it will be still walking on its 'fours', if you know what i mean. In the current Kenya Navy procurement-projectile, which we albeit ineptly base our arguments on, it doesn't seem to be gunning for a "green water" capability any time soon, a strategic dilemma. A pre-mature naval air arm can do wonders with a primary vessel like the Type 056 corvette. A game changer for an extra 4 years.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-RF5BiuUtM-0/TwPhJK9EmSI/AAAAAAAANkk/-LHlYOSBIU4/s1600/25_167234_05d324e8e2ea3ee.jpg

Then throw in two Azmat vessels with the corvette, I tell you the SBS teams will be attending "full-time" classes and get to know the similarities between life in water and in air. Mjeshi hang on the pedullum and shed some light on the aquisition of Logistical vessels if you in the know-how, we are in dire need. Spot on.

maybe the best way we can benefit even for the future is to invite one or two shipmakers to join the navy down by the beaches..technology transfer,in a few years we could even give uncle woo a run for his money in terms of defence procurement,assuming TZ,and other countries with a coast on the eastern side of africa would need a few vessels here and there to keep off nosy thugs(read pirates)

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Post  Balozi Mon Jan 21 2013, 20:14


Aaaaah!!! i am astounded to see senior Military official at TEA scorn US/UK tools, if I am not mistaken. Whats wrong with their equipment’s. I thought they were the best in the biosphere.

Surprised



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Post  Spartan Mon Jan 21 2013, 20:24

jasiri wrote:1x What looks like a 25mm twin barell auto cannon as the main gun.

*2x quadruple launchers of (i assume) all aspect TY-90 SAM's
2x manual 12.7mm machine guns in the port and starboard.
2x quadruple launchers for the C-802 (Ying Ji 82) anti-ship missile.
air/surface Search radar
another version has

25mm twin barell main gun
1x rear facing AK 630 CIWS
2x quadruple C-802 missile launchers
Air/surface search radar

Very adequate in this part of the world, although the absence of short range interception systems means that all incoming missiles have to be destroyed too close to home by the AK 630 CIWS. Talking of which, there are now loud whispers about how China seeks to counter the impregnable defences of US destroyers, frigates and aircraft carriers should the standoff with Japan over some obscure islands lead to a skirmish. They intend to do it the way that has worked best for them in the past - by shear numbers!

They believe, and it remains to be seen whether they are right, that ship counter measures from short range RAM missiles to the Phalanx CIWS work as advertised when faced with one or two incoming missiles, and that faced with multiple incoming missiles it's another story. One thing I know going for them is the proximity of the potential theatre of war to their own shores, and by extension, the range their conventional missiles. Hope they wont need them.
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Post  Guest Mon Jan 21 2013, 21:02

Nobody said there are quality queries about Western Hardware - there are none! Everybody is playing "catch-up" with Western Defense equipment but the divide is fast receding.

What is criticized here is Western fickleness and unreliability is sustaining supply as well as the political price pegged to their Equipment Supply. That is all @Balozi.

Balozi wrote:
Aaaaah!!! i am astounded to see senior Military official at TEA scorn US/UK tools, if I am not mistaken. Whats wrong with theiqr equipment’s. I thought they were the best in the biosphere.

Surprised




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Post  mJESHI mMOJA Mon Jan 21 2013, 23:50

With all configuration given, from the way I always see K.N tends to blend in past and future equipment for smooth hand over in terms of maintenance ,storage and training.

If the pocket is right:

Main gun: OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapid gun
Missile: 4 x Otomat Mk2 Block IV [ http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/Teseo-Mk2A_a001120002.aspx]
secondary weapon:
DS30M or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Weapon_Station
Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MK-38_25mm_gun_system.jpg
or mini typhoon http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3103.htm


A shorter pocket;

Main gun: DS30M
Missile: 4 x Gabriel IV or C-802
Secondary weapons:
mini typhoon. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3103.htm

By the way 3 boats cost one Jasiri.

@Spartan we don,t necessary have to destroy incoming missiles. We can also cheat them Very Happy Very Happy Secondly the bullet is the most cost effect weapon . its multipurpose weapon.
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Post  jasiri Tue Jan 22 2013, 00:30

mJESHI mMOJA wrote:With all configuration given, from the way I always see K.N tends to blend in past and future equipment for smooth hand over in terms of maintenance ,storage and training.

If the pocket is right:

Main gun: OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapid gun
Missile: 4 x Otomat Mk2 Block IV [ http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/Teseo-Mk2A_a001120002.aspx]
secondary weapon:
DS30M or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Weapon_Station
Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MK-38_25mm_gun_system.jpg
or mini typhoon http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3103.htm


A shorter pocket;

Main gun: DS30M
Missile: 4 x Gabriel IV or C-802
Secondary weapons:
mini typhoon. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3103.htm

By the way 3 boats cost one Jasiri.

@Spartan we don,t necessary have to destroy incoming missiles. We can also cheat them Very Happy Very Happy Secondly the bullet is the most cost effect weapon . its multipurpose weapon.

@Mjeshi, wouldn't the 76 mm super rapid be too heavy for this little beast? I mean the gun weighs a whole 7.5 tonnes! secondly, the size of munition the super rapid uses in relation to the boat size..wouldn't that limit the amount of Ammo Azmat can carry? I think the Chinese played it safe with the 25 mm, more ammunition to spare and less space occupied. i don't think the forward deck space available on the Azmat can accommodate the S.R, unless we are talking about the Jasiri.
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Post  MWAURA Tue Jan 22 2013, 10:05

jasiri wrote:
mJESHI mMOJA wrote:With all configuration given, from the way I always see K.N tends to blend in past and future equipment for smooth hand over in terms of maintenance ,storage and training.

If the pocket is right:

Main gun: OTO Melara 76mm Super Rapid gun
Missile: 4 x Otomat Mk2 Block IV [ http://www.deagel.com/Anti-Ship-Missiles/Teseo-Mk2A_a001120002.aspx]
secondary weapon:
DS30M or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhoon_Weapon_Station
Or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MK-38_25mm_gun_system.jpg
or mini typhoon http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3103.htm


A shorter pocket;

Main gun: DS30M
Missile: 4 x Gabriel IV or C-802
Secondary weapons:
mini typhoon. http://www.army-guide.com/eng/product3103.htm

By the way 3 boats cost one Jasiri.

@Spartan we don,t necessary have to destroy incoming missiles. We can also cheat them Very Happy Very Happy Secondly the bullet is the most cost effect weapon . its multipurpose weapon.

@Mjeshi, wouldn't the 76 mm super rapid be too heavy for this little beast? I mean the gun weighs a whole 7.5 tonnes! secondly, the size of munition the super rapid uses in relation to the boat size..wouldn't that limit the amount of Ammo Azmat can carry? I think the Chinese played it safe with the 25 mm, more ammunition to spare and less space occupied. i don't think the forward deck space available on the Azmat can accommodate the S.R, unless we are talking about the Jasiri.

Speaking of which-I've always wondered about how the Swedes managed this combo:
Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 19 CB90+AMOS

One of the two CB90 boats fitted with the AMOS breech-loading mortar
system turret. This little boat can now deliver a quite fearsome volume
of fire. The
two mortars are mounted on a common cradle with equilibrator and an
automated loading device. The system is designed for ultra-rapid fire
rate, reaching a claimed 26 rpm burst, with multiple rounds simultaneous
impact (MRSI) at 14 to 13,000m range. One added advantage of the Amos
is that the barrels can be lowered to deliver direct fire during urban
warfare or other scenarios, making it an extremely powerful weapon.
http://ukarmedforcescommentary.blogspot.com/2011/05/royal-marines-cb90-and-future-patrol.html
If they can put a 4.5 tonne turret on a 16m motor boat hull,the Azmat can definitely take smth bigger than a mere 25 mm cannon.

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