REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Spartan wrote:
Will the ice between Kigali and Dar impact the EAC as well as make the TPDF look at Rwanda and its forces in a negative light? Hope the bigger picture prevails.

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Risasi wrote:In my opinion; The chance of a show down between Egypt and Ethiopia very likely ,stands at 80%. I feel so because
1. Egypt will use the issue consolidate the country , divert attention from internal scramble.
2. The Muslim brotherhood administration wouldn’t want to look weak.
3. Egypt always prepared for that day and Sudan was to be it launch pad. With partition of Sudan by EAC, Sudan is seething for a pay back
4. Egypt maintains jungle warfare exercises yet it is a desert country.

My 2 cent

Risasi wrote:Hahaha you want me to play the devil advocate ok:
They will be the obvious sabre rattling, military exercise, amphibious landing, Para jumping, tank manoeuvres and border amassment meant for the citizen and national solidarity. All that behind the scene the silver bullet will come from 2 pairs of F-16 each armed with 2000 pound bomb for leveling the dam construction. By the time the international community condemns the action the harm will have been done. I feel they wouldn’t want a confrontation or occupation.

mchoraji wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Later, when Jubilee raised the issue in that evening press conference at Catholic University, the Brits said the training program had been planned way back & had nothing to do with the planned polls.Do you think Britoh would try to pull the kind of stunts Francois pulls in it's former colonies?

MasterChief wrote:

mchoraji wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Later, when Jubilee raised the issue in that evening press conference at Catholic University, the Brits said the training program had been planned way back & had nothing to do with the planned polls.Do you think Britoh would try to pull the kind of stunts Francois pulls in it's former colonies?

Johnny's are capable of anything.

If they mess with the big boys like Uncle woo and Russia what is Kenya to them?

ole Nkarei wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Wee Master-Chief. Waacha bana! You know as well as I and every man in Uniform knows damn too well that when the Brits purported to compress their usual three annual training Circles into one in March this year, the CDF told them and our former C-In-C, without equivocation, a fecking loud and emphatic French-NON!! Obviously Johnny was trying to position themselves in kenya to do a Frenchy during elections, and there are credible preps that were in place to give value to this view - repositioning of Military Sateliites over the Horn, argumentation of their Military and Inteligence Corps in the High Commission, movements in and out of Somalia, a subtle repositioning of Naval Assets off Somalia and Kenya Continental Shelf, NGOs, Civil Society manoeuvres, the silly utterances y their High Commissioner and other cheeky EU Diplomats, Johnny Carson's tactless foot-in-the-mouth faux pax, etc. Johnny brings around roughly I Divioon in Kenya each year in three circles, with a skeleton HQ Company, each year.

Hawesimake!

MasterChief wrote:The new Kenya government should expedite this Lapsett Oil pipeline thing

http://www.nation.co.ke/business/news/Sudan-orders-firms-to-shut-pipeline/-/1006/1880052/-/q424vbz/-/index.html

Sudan's oil ministry formally told oil companies on Tuesday to block exports of South Sudanese crude following an order from President Omar al-Bashir.
Oil Minister Awad Ahmad al-Jaz presented the written directive in a meeting with senior executives of the GNPOC joint operating company and Petrodar, the ministry said.
It orders them "to stop the process of transportation and exporting South Sudanese oil within 60 days starting from Sunday, June 9," the ministry said.
On Sunday, Khartoum froze nine security and economic pacts with South Sudan, including a deal to restore oil shipments through the Red Sea export terminal.

MasterChief wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Wee Master-Chief. Waacha bana! You know as well as I and every man in Uniform knows damn too well that when the Brits purported to compress their usual three annual training Circles into one in March this year, the CDF told them and our former C-In-C, without equivocation, a fecking loud and emphatic French-NON!! Obviously Johnny was trying to position themselves in kenya to do a Frenchy during elections, and there are credible preps that were in place to give value to this view - repositioning of Military Sateliites over the Horn, argumentation of their Military and Inteligence Corps in the High Commission, movements in and out of Somalia, a subtle repositioning of Naval Assets off Somalia and Kenya Continental Shelf, NGOs, Civil Society manoeuvres, the silly utterances y their High Commissioner and other cheeky EU Diplomats, Johnny Carson's tactless foot-in-the-mouth faux pax, etc. Johnny brings around roughly I Divioon in Kenya each year in three circles, with a skeleton HQ Company, each year.

Hawesimake!

I understand Johnny had close to 6k johnny's "training" in Kenya around that period. Those are enough body's to shake things up to ensure a certain goal. That kind of man power shouldn't have been allowed to land until after the March charade was over.
Johnny had planned this frenchi style. He was hoping for msuko suko like last time. He had already dispatched "johnny ONE" fresh from the arab spring and who is experienced in dealing with troublesome natives.
The body's were on the ground in the name of training. But the only thing that saved the day is that the natives were in no mood of causing trouble like last time. So Johnny couldn't interfere.

proud kenyan wrote:

MasterChief wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Wee Master-Chief. Waacha bana! You know as well as I and every man in Uniform knows damn too well that when the Brits purported to compress their usual three annual training Circles into one in March this year, the CDF told them and our former C-In-C, without equivocation, a fecking loud and emphatic French-NON!! Obviously Johnny was trying to position themselves in kenya to do a Frenchy during elections, and there are credible preps that were in place to give value to this view - repositioning of Military Sateliites over the Horn, argumentation of their Military and Inteligence Corps in the High Commission, movements in and out of Somalia, a subtle repositioning of Naval Assets off Somalia and Kenya Continental Shelf, NGOs, Civil Society manoeuvres, the silly utterances y their High Commissioner and other cheeky EU Diplomats, Johnny Carson's tactless foot-in-the-mouth faux pax, etc. Johnny brings around roughly I Divioon in Kenya each year in three circles, with a skeleton HQ Company, each year.

Hawesimake!

I understand Johnny had close to 6k johnny's "training" in Kenya around that period. Those are enough body's to shake things up to ensure a certain goal. That kind of man power shouldn't have been allowed to land until after the March charade was over.
Johnny had planned this frenchi style. He was hoping for msuko suko like last time. He had already dispatched "johnny ONE" fresh from the arab spring and who is experienced in dealing with troublesome natives.
The body's were on the ground in the name of training. But the only thing that saved the day is that the natives were in no mood of causing trouble like last time. So Johnny couldn't interfere.

compare that to the manpower of the KDF and its unknown creeps..plus i think there would have been no hesitation in testing some new stores on the guys as they would be "testing/interfering with the territorial integrity of the country"(i.e. external aggressors) plus i believe that terrain is well known to the host country..would have embarrassed someone somewhere out there and especially to its peers.
seems you are new to TEA, pore through other pages such a mention on the same had come up and discussed at that point in time.

countersniper wrote:Some things being written here  sound like fiction i have to say.
Kenya going  to head to head with a major western power and prevailing is one of them however much i support the idea that our military is great. johnny are not alshabab.guys....cool it and lets deal with more realistic scenarios.
the main objective  or idea  of any major johnny men being sent in Kenya en mass was to try be prepared for eventual evacuation of any western  interests and people if things come head to head after march 4th elections.
We all know that entire security network had worked well to ensure an alternate view of who the people want to lead  becomes a reality...the planning of which  started and executed from the moment one raila amolo odinga agreed to have his nusu mkate deal at sagana state lodge  before the formation and  re constitution  of the so called coalition government.
 but this is no place for politics. .. just stating the obvious.

Fabrizio wrote:

countersniper wrote:Some things being written here  sound like fiction i have to say.
Kenya going  to head to head with a major western power and prevailing is one of them however much i support the idea that our military is great. johnny are not alshabab.guys....cool it and lets deal with more realistic scenarios.
the main objective  or idea  of any major johnny men being sent in Kenya en mass was to try be prepared for eventual evacuation of any western  interests and people if things come head to head after march 4th elections.
We all know that entire security network had worked well to ensure an alternate view of who the people want to lead  becomes a reality...the planning of which  started and executed from the moment one raila amolo odinga agreed to have his nusu mkate deal at sagana state lodge  before the formation and  re constitution  of the so called coalition government.
 but this is no place for politics. .. just stating the obvious.

Yes sir.  I second the idea of keeping the exchanges here a bit more sane.  It could start with disabusing ourselves of the notion that anyone in the region has time or resources to war-game an engagement with Johnny, however much we may personally despise them.  A great military is also a rational one.  There is only so much the military can do.

Nobody said anything about going to war with Johnny. We are just discussing their maneuvers in the last march charade and why Ole and his boys shouldnt have let them land so many boots until after the whole thing was over.

As for politics. Lets not pretend that we can talk about regional security without invoking politics. We can do it minimally without mentioning names.

proud kenyan wrote:

MasterChief wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Wee Master-Chief.  Waacha bana!  You know as well as I and every man in Uniform knows damn too well that when the Brits purported to compress their usual three annual  training Circles into one in March this year, the CDF told them and our former C-In-C, without equivocation, a fecking loud and emphatic French-NON!!  Obviously Johnny was trying to position themselves in kenya to do a Frenchy during elections, and there are credible preps that were in place to give value to this view - repositioning of Military Sateliites over the Horn, argumentation of their Military and Inteligence Corps in the High Commission, movements in and out of Somalia, a subtle repositioning of Naval Assets off Somalia and Kenya Continental Shelf, NGOs, Civil Society manoeuvres, the silly utterances y their High Commissioner and other cheeky EU Diplomats, Johnny Carson's tactless foot-in-the-mouth faux pax, etc.  Johnny brings around roughly I Divioon in Kenya each year in three circles, with a skeleton HQ Company, each year.

Hawesimake!

I understand Johnny had close to 6k johnny's "training" in Kenya around that period. Those are enough body's to shake things up to ensure a certain goal. That kind of man power shouldn't have been allowed to land until after the March charade was over.
Johnny had planned this frenchi style. He was hoping for msuko suko like last time. He had already dispatched "johnny ONE" fresh from the arab spring and who is experienced in dealing with troublesome natives.
The body's were on the ground in the name of training. But the only thing that saved the day is that the natives were in no mood of causing trouble like last time. So Johnny couldn't interfere.

compare that to the manpower of the KDF and its unknown creeps..plus i think there would have been no hesitation in testing some new stores on the guys as they would be "testing/interfering with the territorial integrity of the country"(i.e. external aggressors) plus i believe that terrain  is well known to the host country..would have embarrassed someone somewhere out there and especially to its peers.
seems you are new to TEA, pore through other pages such a mention on the same had come up and discussed at that point in time.

I am not new per say. I have been unofficial shadow member since this blog was in the other place.

ole Nkarei wrote:@MasterChief, karubu sana, Kaka. And express your opinion boldly - everybody counts. ProudKenyan meant no offence but just pointed that we have run through this debate much earlier. IMO I agree with you about Johnny's unfriendly posturing specific to the last electoral process. It amuses me to read opinions of educated intelligent Africans that project a blind adherence to western "good intentions", unquestioning of the global state status quo that defii our servitude to the white man. Even to the very uninitiated civilianwatcher of the geopolitics of this region, consumption of the diplomatic+political pronouncements from Britain / EU together with the British Mod surreptitious strategy to compress all BATUK  three annual training circles into ONE circle to coincide with the March Elections - that should be cause for concern. That simple.

Ati "no one has time and resources to War-game with Johnny" @Fabrizio?  First of all, War gaming is putting up realistic  simulations of possible threats and developing feasible reactions to them. It is integral to continuous training. ALL Military Threats are war gamed by any Army worth the name, only limited by resources available. Routinely we war game about Uganda, Ethiopia, GoSS, Amphibian onslaught from SANDF (never about JWTZ), Heck, we war game even against each other, in KDF, simulating one Battle group against another, KDF against other Armed formations inside Kenya (GSU and AP/RDU). Tis what Armies live and do. Now, do you suppose Kenya would allow a near-permanent Armed Military presence of a foreign and imperialistic Force without contingencies to forceful eject that imperialistic force at some point ib the future when that presence is determined undesirable? Whatever the size, composition and TOR of the British Army in Kenya is defined precisely and explicitly so as not to destabilise the balance of Military Power in Kenya and IGAD. Even their tactically indefensible  localisation in Nanyuki is not haphazard. Before the British reinforce BUTAK by whatever means, it ceases to exist in any formal structure within hours of the "kamata Mbeberu" order. Fungua  macho, kaka.

:D:D

• The Guardian, Tuesday 11 June 2013 06.00 AEST
  

ole Nkarei wrote:@MasterChief, karubu sana, Kaka. And express your opinion boldly - everybody counts. ProudKenyan meant no offence but just pointed that we have run through this debate much earlier. IMO I agree with you about Johnny's unfriendly posturing specific to the last electoral process. It amuses me to read opinions of educated intelligent Africans that project a blind adherence to western "good intentions", unquestioning of the global state status quo that defii our servitude to the white man. Even to the very uninitiated civilianwatcher of the geopolitics of this region, consumption of the diplomatic+political pronouncements from Britain / EU together with the British Mod surreptitious strategy to compress all BATUK  three annual training circles into ONE circle to coincide with the March Elections - that should be cause for concern. That simple.

Ati "no one has time and resources to War-game with Johnny" @Fabrizio?  First of all, War gaming is putting up realistic  simulations of possible threats and developing feasible reactions to them. It is integral to continuous training. ALL Military Threats are war gamed by any Army worth the name, only limited by resources available. Routinely we war game about Uganda, Ethiopia, GoSS, Amphibian onslaught from SANDF (never about JWTZ), Heck, we war game even against each other, in KDF, simulating one Battle group against another, KDF against other Armed formations inside Kenya (GSU and AP/RDU). Tis what Armies live and do. Now, do you suppose Kenya would allow a near-permanent Armed Military presence of a foreign and imperialistic Force without contingencies to forceful eject that imperialistic force at some point ib the future when that presence is determined undesirable? Whatever the size, composition and TOR of the British Army in Kenya is defined precisely and explicitly so as not to destabilise the balance of Military Power in Kenya and IGAD. Even their tactically indefensible  localisation in Nanyuki is not haphazard. Before the British reinforce BUTAK by whatever means, it ceases to exist in any formal structure within hours of the "kamata Mbeberu" order. Fungua  macho, kaka.

countersniper wrote:from this link


http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/egypts-limited-military-options-stop-ethiopian-dam-project?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130613&utm_term=FreeReport&utm_content=title&elq=4c32e760395c44adb0d799d4fd437982


Egypt's Limited Military Options to Stop an Ethiopian Dam Project

countersniper wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:@MasterChief, karubu sana, Kaka. And express your opinion boldly - everybody counts. ProudKenyan meant no offence but just pointed that we have run through this debate much earlier. IMO I agree with you about Johnny's unfriendly posturing specific to the last electoral process. It amuses me to read opinions of educated intelligent Africans that project a blind adherence to western "good intentions", unquestioning of the global state status quo that defii our servitude to the white man. Even to the very uninitiated civilianwatcher of the geopolitics of this region, consumption of the diplomatic+political pronouncements from Britain / EU together with the British Mod surreptitious strategy to compress all BATUK  three annual training circles into ONE circle to coincide with the March Elections - that should be cause for concern. That simple.

Ati "no one has time and resources to War-game with Johnny" @Fabrizio?  First of all, War gaming is putting up realistic  simulations of possible threats and developing feasible reactions to them. It is integral to continuous training. ALL Military Threats are war gamed by any Army worth the name, only limited by resources available. Routinely we war game about Uganda, Ethiopia, GoSS, Amphibian onslaught from SANDF (never about JWTZ), Heck, we war game even against each other, in KDF, simulating one Battle group against another, KDF against other Armed formations inside Kenya (GSU and AP/RDU). Tis what Armies live and do. Now, do you suppose Kenya would allow a near-permanent Armed Military presence of a foreign and imperialistic Force without contingencies to forceful eject that imperialistic force at some point ib the future when that presence is determined undesirable? Whatever the size, composition and TOR of the British Army in Kenya is defined precisely and explicitly so as not to destabilise the balance of Military Power in Kenya and IGAD. Even their tactically indefensible  localisation in Nanyuki is not haphazard. Before the British reinforce BUTAK by whatever means, it ceases to exist in any formal structure within hours of the "kamata Mbeberu" order. Fungua  macho, kaka.

i think ole nkarei  is not serious on this matter  and i will let him be.

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

Spartan wrote:

countersniper wrote:from this link


http://www.stratfor.com/analysis/egypts-limited-military-options-stop-ethiopian-dam-project?utm_source=freelist-f&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20130613&utm_term=FreeReport&utm_content=title&elq=4c32e760395c44adb0d799d4fd437982


Egypt's Limited Military Options to Stop an Ethiopian Dam Project

I shared on this forum that Egypt would have to draw in Sudan on its side for a successful campaign against the Abyssinians, something the Suds are unwilling to do due to their vulnerabilities. I went on to call Morsi's bluff, positing that the sabre rattling was all aimed at internal consumers.

Our ole Man became the first East African prezzo to add his voice to this en-passe today in his closing remarks at the end of the budget reading. His advice to the Egyptians was that the dam was in Egypt's interest.

That Egypt's water security was dependent on what the inhabitants of the the upstream countries did with their forest cover. By way of explanation, he said that 6,000 MW would provide an alternative to fuel firewood for millions of households and businesses in the region thereby keeping them off the forest cover that the Nile is dependent on for its water.

Anyways, the Egyptians have the ball in their court, either they solve this diplomatically and its a win-win for all, all they go gang-ho in which case the Ethios react with their Samsonite mentality and both of them lose.

Al Bashir wrote:

MasterChief wrote:During the Kenyan election period. They didn't foresee johnny landing thousands of his boys in Kenya to train in such a vital Kenyan election period

There is precedence to this action. On August 16th 1992 a furious president Moi lashed out at Sammy for landing 18 C-130's in Mombasa without so much of a notice in the lead-up to the "humanitarian mission" in Somalia.  Now Johnny is no Sammy but I'm sure whatever they did or had plans to do should the elections have headed south, they had 100% NATO backing.