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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
I feel your missing the point. lets bite what we can chew. when we
bring in privileged UAV like RQ-4,RQ-9,RQ-1,U2 etc we will get bogged down in wishful thinking and day dreaming postings.
and as jas said the Super king, Y-12 are nothing more than operating platforms and its ideally right to employ a platform that is established in your logistic and servicing systems rather than employing a newer one.
in a short dialects and in our mode of ops:
the Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft will be system-providing effect tool (detect , locate and identify ISR info. i.e investigating environments with its multi range sensor) while the UAV is a system enabler, a means of surveilling/monitoring known ISR information.
Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft
in peace time
1.electro-Reconnaissance collects platform on rival forces military radio or radar frequencies, ranges for both sea and land emitting institution, mapping out points of interest 100km adjacent to our common border. real time electronic emitting mapping.
2.locating enemies forward operations base ,troops and equipment concentrated areas ,road leading to and way from points of interest.
in war time
locating known hostile frequency eg. Air defense batteries ,listen into know enemy radio frequencies
airborne command and control in-theater platforms in conjunction with several system enablers ,UAV.
bring in privileged UAV like RQ-4,RQ-9,RQ-1,U2 etc we will get bogged down in wishful thinking and day dreaming postings.
and as jas said the Super king, Y-12 are nothing more than operating platforms and its ideally right to employ a platform that is established in your logistic and servicing systems rather than employing a newer one.
in a short dialects and in our mode of ops:
the Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft will be system-providing effect tool (detect , locate and identify ISR info. i.e investigating environments with its multi range sensor) while the UAV is a system enabler, a means of surveilling/monitoring known ISR information.
Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft
in peace time
1.electro-Reconnaissance collects platform on rival forces military radio or radar frequencies, ranges for both sea and land emitting institution, mapping out points of interest 100km adjacent to our common border. real time electronic emitting mapping.
2.locating enemies forward operations base ,troops and equipment concentrated areas ,road leading to and way from points of interest.
in war time
locating known hostile frequency eg. Air defense batteries ,listen into know enemy radio frequencies
airborne command and control in-theater platforms in conjunction with several system enablers ,UAV.
Risasi- Posts : 611
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
Risasi wrote:...we will get bogged down in wishful thinking and day dreaming postings.
and as jas said the Super king, Y-12 are nothing more than operating platforms
Mpaka hapo tumeelewana kabisa. Also, I can see you people have a decision on the kind of payload to be employed on our choice platform.
Swali linakuja namna hii, ndege zetu aina ya Y-12, tumepoteza mbili, moja itaumiwa kwa sana katika oparesheni za "kijasusi" (is that correct swahili) na kwa raiya kama mimi, sijui ni ngapi zilizosalia kufanya kazi ambazo zilisababisha Jeshi la Wanahewa kuzinunua Y-12 hapo mwanzoni.
Are we asset strapped ama we purchased pieces that were more than our requirements?
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
Risasi wrote:mambotupu wrote:Risasi wrote:
@mambo
the dinner was made fit for an Africa chief
at the Pentagon
with a direct counterpart Gen.Martin E. Dempsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey
as well as else where too.
yes its me if you feel the room kind of get a little bit hotter.....
@ risasi so you were throwing us out of the trail, not so? good smoke screen...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16.
ok the cats out of the bag share us some details.
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
@trying to astonish us with military lingo,have a nice dayRisasi wrote:I feel your missing the point. lets bite what we can chew. when we
bring in privileged UAV like RQ-4,RQ-9,RQ-1,U2 etc we will get bogged down in wishful thinking and day dreaming postings.
and as jas said the Super king, Y-12 are nothing more than operating platforms and its ideally right to employ a platform that is established in your logistic and servicing systems rather than employing a newer one.
in a short dialects and in our mode of ops:
the Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft will be system-providing effect tool (detect , locate and identify ISR info. i.e investigating environments with its multi range sensor) while the UAV is a system enabler, a means of surveilling/monitoring known ISR information.
Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft
in peace time
1.electro-Reconnaissance collects platform on rival forces military radio or radar frequencies, ranges for both sea and land emitting institution, mapping out points of interest 100km adjacent to our common border. real time electronic emitting mapping.
2.locating enemies forward operations base ,troops and equipment concentrated areas ,road leading to and way from points of interest.
in war time
locating known hostile frequency eg. Air defense batteries ,listen into know enemy radio frequencies
airborne command and control in-theater platforms in conjunction with several system enablers ,UAV.
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
Flying Crane wrote:...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16
I hope KDF won't buy F16s that would be such an anti-climax. F15s would be o.k. What happened to aspiring for a twin-tailed gleaming fighters? F-16s have been around since mid 1970s........that's when the first batch of the F-5s were purchased for crying out loud.Tutaachwa gizani if we head that way.The irony though of wanting the F-15 is it was introduced in the market in 1976.Hakuna kitu ingine KDF yaweza nunua lakini ??
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
The CDF being briefed by Acting Assistant Chief Patrol Agent of El-Paso sector, Mr. Romiro Cordero at one of the barriers between the United States and Mexico border.
The CDF gets into the F-16 fighter jet cockpit ready for take-off.
Major Brian `Snake’ Crum, the F-16 fighter jet pilot ensures that the CDF is well prepared and ready for take-off
The F-16 fighter jet taxing away ready for the Close Air Support Mission
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Hii kitu has excited the blog a bit........hata Flying Crane ametoklezea
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
Mchoraji, I too was surprised to Flying Crane crawling out into the open. The new version of the F16 would be a great replacement for the F5, if only because its life cycle operating costs are lower than the F15mchoraji wrote:
Hii kitu has excited the blog a bit........hata Flying Crane ametoklezea
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
Flying Crane wrote:Risasi wrote:mambotupu wrote:Risasi wrote:
@mambo
the dinner was made fit for an Africa chief
at the Pentagon
with a direct counterpart Gen.Martin E. Dempsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey
as well as else where too.
yes its me if you feel the room kind of get a little bit hotter.....
@ risasi so you were throwing us out of the trail, not so? good smoke screen...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16.
ok the cats out of the bag share us some details.
Its nice to see you back Crane
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jasiri wrote:This one is pretty sealed, im not in a position to confirm anything sa hizi..MWAURA wrote:Risasi wrote:by th way wapi bloggers like A.K.A mwaura
Still around,checking in every other day! Still waiting for detail from Jasiri or anyone else about the Merk 4s. IMO,its one of the most important deals since independence. Really!
Understood. Check PM!
MWAURA- Posts : 236
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
Flying Crane wrote:Risasi wrote:mambotupu wrote:Risasi wrote:
@mambo
the dinner was made fit for an Africa chief
at the Pentagon
with a direct counterpart Gen.Martin E. Dempsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey
as well as else where too.
yes its me if you feel the room kind of get a little bit hotter.....
@ risasi so you were throwing us out of the trail, not so? good smoke screen...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16.
ok the cats out of the bag share us some details.
karibu nyumbani ssebo... Good success with ADF and LRA recently eh? mwaga mtama... n drag Spartan back here too.
jasiri- Posts : 697
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
thanks a lot fellow bloggers for the warm reception back and keeping my seat and the blog warm ........ pictures tell a thousand tale,
I would find it had to believe that the KDF chief went to Washington DC to be medal by his counterpart for slaying the AS and as the Duo share notes in a sober mood one ask the other "by the way would you like to have a ride in an F-16"
hahhaha..this was a pre-arranged visit with sol purpose of view those F-16 among many.
as the old saying goes "bad habits die hard" I would akin it to; if your used to sleeping around with prostitute you don't see the need of seducing women as all action according to your thinking process, produce similar results ; sexual encounters.
KDF-AF as usual is surely in for batch of used second hand birds , the F-16 most likely from Iraq or Afghanistan wars that would replaced by F-35.
P.S revisit risasi posting on used vs new birds, a week ago and you will get the sense of where they are leading to.
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
Jasiri there is no way the Mig21/ Fc-1 can be a better replacement for the F5 than the F16. The falcon is a mature bird with AESA... I think the FC1 has a problem with having a very low ferry range. It would take a very foolish-er military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets.
Length | 49.3 ft / 15.03 m | |
Height | 16.7 ft / 5.09 m | |
Wingspan | 32.8 ft / 10.0 m | |
Wing area | 300 sq ft / 27.87 sq m | |
Weight empty | 20,300 lb / 9,207.9 kg | |
Maximum take-off weight | 48,000 lb / 21,772 kg | |
Internal fuel | 5,920 lb / 2,685.2 kg | |
Speed | 1,500 mph (Mach 2 at altitude) | |
Range | 1,740 n. mi | |
Power plant | One Pratt & Whitney F100-PW-200/220/229 or One General Electric F110-GE-100/129 | |
Engine thrust | F110-GE-129 29,500 lb F100-PW-229 29,100 lb |
BTW the FC1 still has the Mig21 flight control system, it does not yet have FBW
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I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas.Olekoima wrote:I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in.
btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
@Jasiri,
We are yet to see any exports of these FC-1 bird. What is taking so long? We only hear of potential customers. Why can't we go for multi-role birds such as the Sukhois then if ( as you say) our pilots are in Russia ( i believe for some sort of training on some new bird). It might be eons before we see the first export of the FC-1.
We are yet to see any exports of these FC-1 bird. What is taking so long? We only hear of potential customers. Why can't we go for multi-role birds such as the Sukhois then if ( as you say) our pilots are in Russia ( i believe for some sort of training on some new bird). It might be eons before we see the first export of the FC-1.
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.jasiri wrote:@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas.Olekoima wrote:I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in.
btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?
Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.
I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....
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@Olekoima, Egypt and Argentina are negotiating for the domestic production of these birds. They are to replace the 16's in Egyptian service while the Sukhois are to replace Phantoms... HI-LO. You cant really use an advanced multi-role for these skirmish-mode fights. Advanced birds are expensive to keep flying (ask Flying Crane) and so nations usually reserve them for more serious roles and use the cheaper birds for Somalia type ops.deconstructor wrote:The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.jasiri wrote:@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas.Olekoima wrote:I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in.
btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?
Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.
I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....
@Deconstructor i think you do not understand. the Woo family is selling you a platform. If you put a floodlight in place of a radar and fix spears for missiles that's your business. That is why its cheap. Pakistani birds use Grifo S pulse doppler radars that have impressive specs. Our military has a fetish for Israeli radars, they can have an elta 2052 aesa radar coupled with american anti-armour missiles and european anti-radiation missiles...trust me, they have no problem selling u their missiles. Ask pakistan and their never ending stock of American missiles. Expensive doesn't neccesarily mean best and when you are fighting for money with infrastructure projects, it may just be the one.
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and this is where i call in Risasi...
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jasiri wrote:@Olekoima, Egypt and Argentina are negotiating for the domestic production of these birds. They are to replace the 16's in Egyptian service while the Sukhois are to replace Phantoms... HI-LO. You cant really use an advanced multi-role for these skirmish-mode fights. Advanced birds are expensive to keep flying (ask Flying Crane) and so nations usually reserve them for more serious roles and use the cheaper birds for Somalia type ops.deconstructor wrote:The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.jasiri wrote:@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas.Olekoima wrote:I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in.
btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?
Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.
I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....
@Deconstructor i think you do not understand. the Woo family is selling you a platform. If you put a floodlight in place of a radar and fix spears for missiles that's your business. That is why its cheap. Pakistani birds use Grifo S pulse doppler radars that have impressive specs. Our military has a fetish for Israeli radars, they can have an elta 2052 aesa radar coupled with american anti-armour missiles and european anti-radiation missiles...trust me, they have no problem selling u their missiles. Ask pakistan and their never ending stock of American missiles. Expensive doesn't neccesarily mean best and when you are fighting for money with infrastructure projects, it may just be the one.
Jasiri my brother I think you might be underestimating the amount of time, money, and effort it would take to produce a westernized version of the Fc1. It would be practically producing a new aircraft, something along the lines of the Su30mki.
It would end up being cheaper to buy new build F16s than build this aircraft. If it was easy, it would have already been done.
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I would avoid putting my money into woos fighter jet technology for now. Wacha kwanza wafike kiwango ya the big boys in that league. I bet you the product will have teething problems
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Exactly my thoughts too.Kobooz wrote:I would avoid putting my money into woos fighter jet technology for now. Wacha kwanza wafike kiwango ya the big boys in that league. I bet you the product will have teething problems
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Tanks of the future?
DARPA wants future Tanks to use technology instead of Armour. Wow!
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/18/darpa-tanks-gxv-t-program/
Source: http://www.engadget.com/2014/08/18/darpa-tanks-gxv-t-program/
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Is it wise that this individual is reporting on field operations complete with photos?
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
#BREAKING: this helicopter is seen coming from #Somalia heading to a military base in #Mandera, #Kenya.
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657644122513408
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
This #Kenyan helicopter suspected to have hit an #Alshabaab base in the #Somali border.
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657924213936128
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
The helicopter now heads to a #KDF base in #Mandera town, #Kenya.
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658159111733248
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
Kenyan helicopter now going out of #KDF military base. #Kenya
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658578881880064
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jasiri wrote:and this is where i call in Risasi...
hehehhehe stared a honnet nest there buddy hehehhe... the bird has a love hate relation hapa kwa blog
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Yes, say something.Risasi wrote:jasiri wrote:and this is where i call in Risasi...
hehehhehe stared a honnet nest there buddy hehehhe... the bird has a love hate relation hapa kwa blog
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Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)
the issue of africa countries having problems with high-end military tech is because of poor maintenance track record,corruption e.t.c not so the price or high maintenance of this weapons.no one can tell why a country like nigeria with a military budget of 6 billion finds it unable to maintain it second and third generation weapons except the issues i pointed abovedeconstructor wrote:jasiri wrote:@Olekoima, Egypt and Argentina are negotiating for the domestic production of these birds. They are to replace the 16's in Egyptian service while the Sukhois are to replace Phantoms... HI-LO. You cant really use an advanced multi-role for these skirmish-mode fights. Advanced birds are expensive to keep flying (ask Flying Crane) and so nations usually reserve them for more serious roles and use the cheaper birds for Somalia type ops.deconstructor wrote:The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.jasiri wrote:@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas.Olekoima wrote:I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe? ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in.
btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?
Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.
I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....
@Deconstructor i think you do not understand. the Woo family is selling you a platform. If you put a floodlight in place of a radar and fix spears for missiles that's your business. That is why its cheap. Pakistani birds use Grifo S pulse doppler radars that have impressive specs. Our military has a fetish for Israeli radars, they can have an elta 2052 aesa radar coupled with american anti-armour missiles and european anti-radiation missiles...trust me, they have no problem selling u their missiles. Ask pakistan and their never ending stock of American missiles. Expensive doesn't neccesarily mean best and when you are fighting for money with infrastructure projects, it may just be the one.
Jasiri my brother I think you might be underestimating the amount of time, money, and effort it would take to produce a westernized version of the Fc1. It would be practically producing a new aircraft, something along the lines of the Su30mki.
It would end up being cheaper to buy new build F16s than build this aircraft. If it was easy, it would have already been done.
i know that the jubilee administration to piss off the west its going to buy this jet ,my issue is not the engine which is russian or radar(italian) but the avionic .what i foresee is that this aircraft we are being told is hybrid of different countries tech but i can assure you when we buy it ,its going to come with 100% chinese tech to drive the cost down
at the end we will still lack air superiority and the ability to carry out precision bombing.we need to make sure what ever we buy is of top notch quality ,my doubt with chinese tech is from their previous mig versions which even iran have had issues with.this an area our military has to trend careful
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thats a MI-17 they were just doing recon after previous attacks in mandera ,it doesnt have a gunship role just utility and it seems KDF uses it for recon tooobienga wrote:Is it wise that this individual is reporting on field operations complete with photos?Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
#BREAKING: this helicopter is seen coming from #Somalia heading to a military base in #Mandera, #Kenya.
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657644122513408
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
This #Kenyan helicopter suspected to have hit an #Alshabaab base in the #Somali border.
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657924213936128
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
The helicopter now heads to a #KDF base in #Mandera town, #Kenya.
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658159111733248
Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA · 6h
Kenyan helicopter now going out of #KDF military base. #Kenya
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658578881880064
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A FEW QUESTIONS
Flyguys,please drop some hints about your Russia trip! I know you weren't going for the tank biathlon and neither were you going for prayers! Broad hints will do-spare me the details.
It seems the Naij army is in shit! I don't normally trust Euromedia but when you hear local media talking of mutiny and soldiers shooting at officers,Goodluck pleading for a 1 bn$ to buy weapons while BH seemingly grows form strength to strength you must wonder.
IIRC,Nkash said they requested KDF help for the Mali operation. They then sent KDF specops on the ground in N Mali who accordingly advised no. The state of the N army has much to do with that decision it seems.
Does anyone have anything concrete on BH and Naijj?
It seems the Naij army is in shit! I don't normally trust Euromedia but when you hear local media talking of mutiny and soldiers shooting at officers,Goodluck pleading for a 1 bn$ to buy weapons while BH seemingly grows form strength to strength you must wonder.
http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-seeks-1bn-loan-to-fight-boko-haram/ wrote:President Goodluck Jonathan has asked the House of Representatives to grant approval to his government to borrow an external loan of $1bn(about N165bn).
http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-overruns-police-academy-in-borno/ wrote:A riot police training academy near Gwoza, Borno State has been overrun by Boko Haram militants.
IIRC,Nkash said they requested KDF help for the Mali operation. They then sent KDF specops on the ground in N Mali who accordingly advised no. The state of the N army has much to do with that decision it seems.
Does anyone have anything concrete on BH and Naijj?
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