Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

jasiri Wed May 29 2013, 13:06

timoh wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:UAV Squadron - formative and taking shape. Those structures you are sniffing about @Kabooz will clarify as the Command gets defined and established. But as has become our Mantra, focus is in growing local capacity going forth - these are early times. Btw - have you got Kenya's "back" ama wengine magaidi?
what type of UAVs...... news to me

You should have been around Nyayo stadium yesterday. A curious vehicle providing over-watch at about 5000 ft above ground hivi. It only takes a little commonsense to know what it was.

jasiri Wed May 29 2013, 13:16

ole Nkarei wrote:
. We don't require KDF to work the Northern Counties,

Amen, Amen and Amen Brother!!

Flying Crane Wed May 29 2013, 15:59

What do we have here??? I can see your boys are keeping up with “that job”… going on very very good. Very Happy

mmmh

Hehehe am closer to you then you expect..watch your 6. Razz

timoh Wed May 29 2013, 16:14

Flying Crane wrote:What do we have here??? I can see your boys are keeping up with “that job”… is going on very very good.

Hehehe am closer to you then you expect..watch your 6.

by any chance.....would this be an eagle?

Flying Crane Wed May 29 2013, 16:25

timoh wrote:
Flying Crane wrote:What do we have here??? I can see your boys are keeping up with “that job”… is going on very very good.

Hehehe am closer to you then you expect..watch your 6.
by any chance.....would this be an eagle?

my be its a Photoshop picture. Just maybe....... Very Happy

.... not so mchoraji?

mchoraji Wed May 29 2013, 16:34

Flying Crane wrote:
my be its a Photoshop picture. Just maybe....... .... not so mchoraji?

Kwani I was promoted to the 'resident photoshop expert' on TEA without my knowledge? If so thanks guys. If this pic is fake, then it didn't originate from my department..... cyclops

Like it though Bw ON??

mchoraji Wed May 29 2013, 16:57

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Images of an F15 Strike eagle's cockpit. Now experts should compare & contrast

ION Bw ON if we have these birds, kwani when will they do a spin to MAB hata kama kutua tu & then they return to their kawaida nest? That would end all this speculation. Ama it's KDF policy to keep us guessing??

Olekoima Wed May 29 2013, 18:23

Looks like Kenya and the administration in Mogadishu are headed for a collision course over the Jubbaland initiative. Just this morning i saw a story in the standard allegedly claiming that Somali MPs will be voting to censure KDF. What does this portend? It is claimed that Kenya dominates decisions in IGAD. Well i don't really think this is true, we have other major powers in IGAD such as Ethiopia and Uganda. Kenya can't bulldoze decisions without the input of the other players.

Sayaret matkal Wed May 29 2013, 21:25

mchoraji wrote:

Images of an F15 Strike eagle's cockpit. Now experts should compare & contrast

ION Bw ON if we have these birds, kwani when will they do a spin to MAB hata kama kutua tu & then they return to their kawaida nest? That would end all this speculation. Ama it's KDF policy to keep us guessing??

i am no expert on birds but the intrument panels seem a bit different on this 'kenyan' bird from the others. more analogue it would seem? aye? all the same great pic haikai photoshop ata kidogo.
@ON upgrade for our blues urgently required, more air assets for the NFD atleast, if kdf is not to be involved. israeli uav's? anyone?

0 Five 25 Wed May 29 2013, 22:51

salut! am not à newbie, jus changéd my username, am no expert but id say thats à T 38 C talon cockpit, question is, we already havé soo many yrs expérience with F 5 which is à descendant of thé T38, one is à trainer, one is a fighter, What are they training for? Risasi can explain this one i think?

countersniper Wed May 29 2013, 23:34

ACCORDING to this website T38 is the primary trainer aircraft used to prepare USA air force pilots for the F15 and others and also space missions... for the NASA. so last time i checked Kenya has no space program.. so it means?

http://www.af.mil/information/factsheets/factsheet.asp?fsID=126

Features
The T-38 has swept wings, a streamlined fuselage and tricycle landing
gear with a steerable nose wheel. Two independent hydraulic systems
power the ailerons, rudder and other flight control surfaces. Critical
aircraft components are waist high and can be easily reached by
maintenance crews.

The T-38C incorporates a "glass cockpit" with integrated avionics
displays, head-up display and an electronic "no drop bomb" scoring
system. The AT-38B has a gun sight and practice bomb dispenser.

The T-38 needs as little as 2,300 feet (695.2 meters) of runway to take
off and can climb from sea level to nearly 30,000 feet (9,068 meters) in
one minute. T-38s modified by the propulsion modernization program have
approximately 19 percent more thrust, reducing takeoff distance by 9
percent.

The instructor and student sit in tandem on rocket-powered ejection seats in a pressurized, air-conditioned cockpit.

Background
Air Education and Training Command uses the T-38C to prepare pilots for
front-line fighter and bomber aircraft such as the F-15E Strike Eagle,
F-15C Eagle, F-16 Fighting Falcon, B-1B Lancer, A-10 Thunderbolt and
F-22 Raptor.

The Talon first flew in 1959. More than 1,100 were delivered to the Air
Force between 1961 and 1972 when production ended. As the T-38 fleet has
aged, specific airframe, engine and system components have been
modified or replaced. Pacer Classic is the name given to a sustainment
program that integrates essential modifications, and includes major
structural replacements into one process.

mchoraji Thu May 30 2013, 08:32

0 Five 25 wrote:salut! am not à newbie, jus changéd my username, am no expert but id say thats à T 38 C talon cockpit, question is, we already havé soo many yrs expérience with F 5 which is à descendant of thé T38, one is à trainer, one is a fighter, What are they training for? Risasi can explain this one i think?

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You're right bro. This is a T 38 C talon cockpit & seems one and the same with the pic under review.kudos seems we have enough experts on TEA in these matters.
Thanks @ Countersnipper for the additional info

ON?? Is it what am thinking?? & where did Flying Crane get this? seems ana connections

Risasi Thu May 30 2013, 11:14

Ooooh Mr Crane what is this bwana???? Remove that pic , you will get the 2 diamond rookie in unnecessarily trouble bwana. His got nothing to do with manenos here. Nikubaya Crane kindly bring down that pic bwana.

Flying Crane Thu May 30 2013, 12:05

Risasi wrote:Ooooh Mr Crane what is this bwana???? Remove that pic , you will get the 2 diamond rookie in unnecessarily trouble bwana. His got nothing to do with manenos here. Nikubaya Crane kindly bring down that pic bwana.

Mr Mr Mr Mr risasi.
1.one thing it’s a social network we post what we find.
2.his face is covered man don,t worry
ok tell me what is going on huko first. heheheeh Very Happy

,massage my back and I will be a good man

Risasi Thu May 30 2013, 12:37

Flying Crane wrote:
Risasi wrote:Ooooh Mr Crane what is this bwana???? Remove that pic , you will get the 2 diamond rookie in unnecessarily trouble bwana. His got nothing to do with manenos here. Nikubaya Crane kindly bring down that pic bwana.

Mr Mr Mr Mr risasi.
1.one thing it’s a social network we post what we find.
2.his face is covered man don,t worry
ok tell me what is going on huko first. heheheeh ,massage my back and I will be a good man

That pic will get proliferated all over east africa social networks and the poor rookie will land in hot water. You have the picture its yours to keep just keep that rookie out of our TEA manenos.. will discus more via PM

countersniper Thu May 30 2013, 20:36

@risasi
i do not see the scare or panic in this picture of the kdf chap in a cockpit at an unknown time and date and there are no names or details of what the chap is doing or not doing.
for all i know it could be a very old picture from the days Kenya air force was preparing men for the F5 which is a continuous process every year .
The T38 is an all round commonly used first line trainer for all types of fighter jets.

Ned Starks Head Thu May 30 2013, 23:59

jasiri wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:Just a quick "steal" for you chaps.

A critical Strat-dilemma has been how to effectively manifest Aggressor-Force- Projection (Fixed & Rotary Air. & SOCOM) within Kenyana without a massive expansion of Ground-Handing facilities, within the severe Budgetary constraints we face. Our hip-shot suggestion was to go the Swiss-way.

Finally GoK has bought into this and prioritised it - every major highway in Kenya, present and future, is to have designated & Secured Military-grade Aircraft Landing & Handling Zones running adjacent to Vehicular and Rail traffic! Dammmee!

The Uniforms here must be frothing as I am at the possibilities and implications of this.
Hmm, do i remember someone rubbishing the swiss for exactly this sometimes back? the argument was, if the enemy is that strong then he will definitely bomb those run'hi'ways too.

Disagree with this - bomb all the run-hiways is kinda difficult if long stretches of the highways are built to accomodate aircraft - I would hazard there is only one country in the world that could take out all the run'hi'ways if they wanted too.

But this whole topic is interesting because a little bit of joining the dots if such a scheme is being put into place - does it not point us to what the future falcons/eagles whatever are going to be Wink

Remind me "What was the eagle called that tried to cross the road Wink

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Cycoh 'DUDUS' Fri May 31 2013, 02:31

@Sayaret,
I went AWOL for the last 48 hours. Always on the clock. Actually had my day yesterday after buying the antettion of some Agency-rookies who settled for a 'Probox' fully equipped with an automated Music-System for a 'trailing' undertaking!! Tanga-Border-Msambweni-Ukunda.. .. Only to know the silly reasons behind! "Biashara-mode, Celebritism" is all I could here the chaps mummering! The rest is classified. Heheheh!
Now, to subject matter. The motive-behind having the Police to deal with internal matters has been well explained in detail here by @ole Nkarei. Following the coming together of the Kenya Police and the AP chaps, + a vetting board and then the promised reforms, That's a real deal whose fruits will be enjoyed sooner than expected. I didn't grasp the bit about "Air assets" for NFD. For mobility, it's welcome. But No Armed-Air-Vehicle (Rotary/Fixed-wing) will ever do a Fly-past over any Kenyan village in "Attack-Mode". I can bleed on that Flag to make sure the "RED" Portion remains. Never. Basketball

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Fri May 31 2013, 02:49

@Countersniper Bwana, You in close-proximity?

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:@Man-with-the-Golden-Gun, Do you have any information on the possible purchase of some choppers for our "Utumishi-kwa-wote" chaps? Recent activities from 'insyders' shows a well-watered anticipation to get some birds. Some flyboys are undergoing training in RSA, -1 chopper last year- a gap waiting for refilling, ..ecetra.

Please share if any.

Risasi Fri May 31 2013, 06:43

countersniper wrote:@risasi
i do not see the scare or panic in this picture of the kdf chap in a cockpit at an unknown time and date and there are no names or details of what the chap is doing or not doing.
for all i know it could be a very old picture from the days Kenya air force was preparing men for the F5 which is a continuous process every year .
The T38 is an all round commonly used first line trainer for all types of fighter jets.

yes you can say that as an outsider but for an insider the rookies face is as clear as day light..i.e they were no T38C during earlier days for F-5 specialisation. only 38A/B analog cockpits. the T38C is an upgrade of the the A/B with digital controls made for tailored training instrumentation and handling. lets play safe. its an isolated class of rookies

Flying Crane Fri May 31 2013, 16:41

@risasi happy now ....check you in box Very Happy

don,t worry bloggers me and risasi have a complicated relationship.

Guest Fri May 31 2013, 17:27

If the MIC chaps want him, it would take less than a half-hour just using that one photo. And your friend knows this damn well @Flying Crane - he is likely sheiting hot bricks all night and all day today. Thanks for keeping this finally between your good self and Risasi - discretion and discipline. Hell, these are really bloody times we are headed to, fellas.

There is a buzz about some "surprises" tomorrow over Nairobi Skies. Young Jas alluded to one of them already turning heads over the city. All just a buzz - might yet turn out to be just a buzz! But the T38C isn't your supermarket toy, fellas. Not even a Fly-boy toy. It is specific. And indicative. And pregnant with meaning. Aiseeii.

Flying Crane wrote:@risasi happy now ....check you in box
don,t worry bloggers me and risasi have a complicated relationship.

countersniper Fri May 31 2013, 20:30

@ risasi
don't worry
i was trying to draw fire from that chap in the picture by widening the angle or arc of fire .
i know the works. in fact i already have an idea what happened here and the implications if any.
that chap did not take that picture himself. his passenger did from the rear seat .
we need to know why and the intended leaks to the blogs
to me we are being set up big by someone for something to become reality.

countersniper Fri May 31 2013, 21:25

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:@Countersniper Bwana, You in close-proximity?

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:@Man-with-the-Golden-Gun, Do you have any information on the possible purchase of some choppers for our "Utumishi-kwa-wote" chaps? Recent activities from 'insyders' shows a well-watered anticipation to get some birds. Some flyboys are undergoing training in RSA, -1 chopper last year- a gap waiting for refilling, ..ecetra.

Please share if any.

i have been invited to an airshow early next month second week of July. am told lots top level big wigs from kenyana... including Kenya itself will be there as per specific invitation.
i will make sure i carry my camera and will post here what will be able to capture.
i have a whole day to see the static displays and later the air activities.
my two young lads are waiting for the day with a great anticipation.
about the utumishi wings.. things are in the middle of the pipeline am told there is a stop gap period of six to 10 months where by some deliveries will be made for them. watch the space.

mashaa Sat Jun 01 2013, 06:10

proud kenyan Sat Jun 01 2013, 22:17

ole Nkarei wrote:
The C-in-C told Sheikh Mahmoud and his inner Cabinet two days ago in Addis what should have been said kitambo - that we know of the nexus between his Government and Alkebaab that has unofficially used Alkebaab to propagate Government domestic and foreign policy. And that Kenya will not tolerate anynfurther killing of Kenyan Civilians and Police on the Border by armed brigands from Soomaliya every time coincidentally SFG had a sticky point to make about a domestic issue. And that the C-in-C had a sacred personal duty to protect Kenya unrestricted by method and Time. It is hardly a secret that reformed and current leadership of Alkebaab have influence and power inside the SFG as they did the TFG. And that both Governments have used AlKebaab are personalised hidden unofficial Militia inside and across the border. SGG has not even pretended to have programs to confront and defeat Alkebaab and the fighting has been left to AMISOM and local herdsmen and tribal Militia. Meantime, to get our attentions, an ocassional raid in Garissa and an egress in Mandera and Moyale. And frequent false intwl about suicide bombers headed for Uganda and Burundi. The Dollars and Euro chasing each other to Mogadishu! Damn these buggers. So, Uhuru threw down the gauntlet and in very plain words told Muhmoud the game is up.

The shocked SFG scrambled to effect Damage Control including issuing a misrepresented interpretation of the IGAD directive post the Madobe election that was as clear as noon in Turkana. I tell you there will be Hell to pay if those policemen abducted are killed or anymore attacks take place in Northern Counties.

Regardless, I restate that the line between policing internally and extenally must never get blurred even by the expediency of need. We don't require KDF to work the Northern Counties, but we need to enhance Kenya Police in material, Intelligence and supportive assistance of all GoK Agencies including MiniForeign - like the C-in-C hardtalk with SFG in Addis. Slowly that is happening. We will win this thing.

already happening, as predicted
http://standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000084972&story_title=president-mohamud-says-somalia-has-no-conflict-with-kenya

Guest Sun Jun 02 2013, 21:56

What is happening to TEA membership? Should we just shut shop and migrate elsewhere? Doggonnit, people! We all gotta get behind the sword and keep the conversation going. A hard week shiuttling all about Kenyana, and when I get back here to TEA - tis like the CORPS struck camp lakini no one told me! Aiseei!

Risasi Wed Jun 05 2013, 01:46

Kobooz wrote:
Risasi wrote:Sahii ni saa ngapi nduguzanguni?? usigizi kwisha ama muko kwa hadaki?? Haya I do believe they are talents out there lakini based on that clip. The remote control unit suggests that it comes from an organised manufacturing line rather than assembling parts at the backyard garage. Hapao tuu..
If he is making a Childs toy sawa saw I have no beef with him in fact I wish him the best of luck…. lakini weapons grade items he wouldn't meet the standards.

Sad to learn of the passing-on of former F5 squadron pilot Lt Col Kibata. A quick question @ Risai, do the external pilots serving in our new uav squadron have to be commissioned officers? If able to answer!

held up on flycranes pictures, your answer:

mission commander: Major
external pilots: NCOs
mother Unit: KDF-AF
blueprint and operating module: Yavne, ADS
number of squadrons and UAV's: classified.

sawa sawa Very Happy

Kobooz Wed Jun 05 2013, 09:59

Aksante! I hope a boy will not have to serve 48 days or stand in the dock at lang'ata over the crane pix!

Risasi Wed Jun 05 2013, 10:37

Kobooz wrote:Aksante! I hope a boy will not have to serve 48 days or stand in the dock at lang'ata over the crane pix!

ya ya the kids safe....better to play safe rather than be sorry ama? Very Happy

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