Re: Kenya Defence Force

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 13:53

Drop this SIN crap already. Drop it! You risk overextending your welcome.

Analyst wrote:When SIN projected that NSIS is useless in ANALYSIS, it could have misconstrued for an emotional blurb, but KDF is now a subject of ridicule.

Kenya Army KDF Achievements in Somalia Dwarfs Major Armies Capabilities
http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1730

Kenya Defense Forces Denied Opportunity to Become the Most Powerful Regional Army
http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1724

NSIS Regular Intelligence Failures are Having Catastrophic Ramifications on Kenya
http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1369

Geopolitically NSIS has failed to provide intelligence that can suffice to proffer the Kibaki administration an upper hand in regional affairs, particularly military threats, economic weather, and regional political muscle. The domestic intelligence arm has failed to identify socio-political counter intelligences measures for current political elite populist policies, divisive political interests, and economic activities all that aggravate the economic progress and socio-political stability of Kenya

In London no one including Mr PM Cameron will admit KDF did the dirty job of washing the well shitted on-napkin of the Somali kid, and maiden Ethiopian Army and the incompetent AMISOM putting them on the hanging line....

Lets agree 'The terms intelligence refers to the collection, analysis, production, and utilisation of information about potentially hostile states, groups, individuals, or activities'...US failed, Ethiopia failed, Uganda-AMISOM were slaughtered in hundreds.....KDF ridiculed them all.......these armies are not happy that they can only savor distantly what they should have done bieng done diligently by a novice army....

NSIS did not read the script well....INTELLIGENCE FAILURES Intelligence failures may occur in every stages of the intelligence process : when decision makers do not know which questions to ask to the units when a bad evaluation occur at the prioritization stage during the processing and collecting stages (ex: spy planes may be shot down, intelligence agents may be caught…) when analysts emphasize an unimportant data or ignore an important one.

Poor evaluation,useless analysis, and misguiding the generals about the outcome of the incursion.
NSIS thought the gains made by KDF would guarantee immense military aid from US and its allies.
They advised KDF to advance within shooting range of Kismayo to keep off other armies and use this as a bargaining chip for arms and other sorts of favors from John and Sam..

These wont comeby owing to the fact Kenya has been positioning itself as a regional power both militarily and economically....and these people feel it is not going down well with them.....so the solution is to embarrass KDF the best way possible!!

The west remains one of the biggest enemies of African Development!!

The only solution left to make KDF glorious and make Somalia stable is to hit back on the west by arming Al-Shabaab like Israel arms the Kurdish in Turkey or the way US is arming Al-Qaeda in Syria. Let Somalia be an Islamic state led by Islamic law while an iron grip of KDF micro-manages the country....

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 13:55

mekatilili wrote:It is funny reading the reactions from some on this forum that feel like the world is ending now that an invasion of Kismayo by the gallant KDF forces has not been captured in film to ogle over for years to come. Others are invoking the C word in an attempt to downplay the role of the KDF and boost the morale of their army and their brave and glorious commander in chief for life, Museveni.

War is not waged for entertainment purposes, nor is it a pageantry. The puerility of the assertion that the KDF should have put into use all its equipment in OLN would only be sweet and laughable if put forward by a 5 year old kid. For those dying to witness a bloodbath I suggest 'Redbox' (or whichever video renting service is available in Kenya) and browse under the 'Action' genre for your fix.

These brave men and women representing our nation in Somalia are human beings and not disposable pawns. There are military planners and strategists who I am sure have a better understanding of the issue at hand and instead of yelping 'Lost Glory!' from the comfort of your apartments use the resources here to figure out what the next step is.

The heartbroken keyboard militants are now choking with disappointment. Only 48 hours ago, they were showering this website with praise but now are writing it off as a propaganda outlet for the KDF. The British are hiring, your expertise will be invaluable in their adventures in Kismayo.

Honor the brave soldiers that lost their lives and those that are still deployed in Somalia.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Mekatilili. It is unimaginable that the stringent critics here cannot fathom this whole ensemble from this point of view. Easy to distinguish you from your ''twin'' now, hehehe!!

@timoh - so what if we wade knee deep in the bloodbath that AS has prepared in Kismayo, and then quickly extract form it - then what? It is just this sort of narrow-targeted military strategy by Ethiopia that has driven the entire region into this quagmire of Somalia. It is like a quick f-ck with a call-girl - transient feel-good high. We need to distinguish between the Somali People and AS/AQ, and the tragedy is that AS/AQ are desperately hoping that some of you are Planners in the KDF's DHQ OPD&T - thank God they ain't!! Our interests are not necessary in confluence with Camerons - we will always have Somalia on our eastern flanks until God comes back to earth!!

@mbs - again absolutely spot-on, one insight that is conveniently forgotten by educated Africans who are wont to blithely assume the goodness of those that ogle Africa. Who do you reckon it the captive readership of that AFP Reporter, @Countersniper? Come on, people - is the entire human race-relationship history now forgotten? It will be sad indeed if this blog becomes captive of political activism such as has energized the imagination of Kenya's online intelligensia!!

mbs Thu Feb 23 2012, 13:58

hey, I am a patriot;maybe even a zealot. never said that i am an expert just voicing out my thoughts. questions that i ask myself in the apartment is this;a stable Somalia benefits who ( shifta days remember ? ). honestly believe that the world is out to f### us when it comes to Somalia. I honestly believe we should have put more attention to the DRC than Somalia. A stable DRC benefits the region economically 100 times more than Somalia unless Somalia has more oil than Saudi Arabia.

mwepesi Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:03

[/quote]

I' am disappointed, the KDF should storm Afmadhow and Kismayu pound Alshabaab to pulp, then pull back to within 100km of our border thereby effectively creating the buffer zone we have always wanted. No need to be nice to anybody anymore.[/quote]

Yes, before i forget, the Kenya Navy should continue suffocating Kismayu so as to completely cut off Alshabaabs supplies. The UNSC is not serious about stability in Somalia.[/quote]

@ Olekoima, Yes I also feel that there is a level of frustration with the progress and the raw deal we are getting from the international community, but we shouldn't expect KDF to make hasty aggressive actions without proper planning, lets not make another vacuum in kismayu to be filled with another AS ver 2.0, there will be no strategic gain. if we push through with project azania, we should be very careful that it doesn't boomerang on us. so we are on a tight rope so to say.

But what I don't like is when we are playing nice to everyone in the international community while they are giving us a raw deal.

@ ON that's spot on

jasiri Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:06

@Olekoima, Soviet aerial superiority did not stem from it's aircraft but from it's rocket forces who had missiles pointed at every major NATO air base including Incirlik in Turkey. The 'road runway' strategy was developed to ensure a continuity of operations should the air bases be taken out.
@Mwaura, the Moskit actually wasn't as potent as it seemed to be. A combo of RIM-7 sea sparrows and RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile would take them out, if the managed to burn through a screen of bullets fro Phalanx CIWS would be waiting. You also ave to remember that the Moskit was radar guided and U.S Navy/NATO Naval forces ships had Chaff dispensers to confuse the missile. In any case, the Moskit wasn't designed to find carriers in large battle groups. As a radar guided missile that would severely confuse it. The NATO navies anyway had no problem steering destroyers and frigates onto the path of oncoming missiles to save a carrier, that was their job anyway a carrier escorts. in The Moskit was also a preety straight forward sea-skimming missile with no 'jinking' capability, much to it's disadvantage. In my opinion the most potent carrier killer in Soviet Naval inventory was their Submarine force driven by very skilled and aggressive drivers.

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:07

mbs wrote:hey, I am a patriot;maybe even a zealot. never said that i am an expert just voicing out my thoughts. questions that i ask myself in the apartment is this;a stable Somalia benefits who ( shifta days remember ? ). honestly believe that the world is out to f### us when it comes to Somalia. I honestly believe we should have put more attention to the DRC than Somalia. A stable DRC benefits the region economically 100 times more than Somalia unless Somalia has more oil than Saudi Arabia.

@mbs - yours is a common-sense insight which expresses more sense than some that we read on these blogs. DRC without the eastern-seaboard of east africa will not actualise full potential - hell, why should Kabila ignore the Pacific seating right outside his ofice and come fishing in the Indian Ocean? We need Somalia more than most people here appreciate. Peace in Somalia will unlock possibilities that we only dream about in Planning Offices. To begin with, the ''strategic reservesl'' that the West has kept unexploited and unreachable from the Africans for decades until the West determines they are ready to start using them, will become reachable and be brought to the International Markets when their owners determine to. We must break this mosaic that was conditional to ''african independence'' that has kept African in perpetual turmoil and inexplicable conflict for decades. You can develop this principle as far as you want, mbs. The imperative for ''action'' is driven by the changing international geopolitical power-map with the emergent economies pushing and encouraging ''seditious'' philosophies in Africa.

countersniper Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:12

i have again just listened to a live press conference by Hilary Clinton and David Cameron..talking on Somalia...again nothing about how Kenya has helped to bring about this enabling environment and nothing on how Kenya has helped.so far..
instead they are just lauding their own efforts to date which are just nothing meaningful to say the least.

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:12

ole Nkarei wrote:
mekatilili wrote:It is funny reading the reactions from some on this forum that feel like the world is ending now that an invasion of Kismayo by the gallant KDF forces has not been captured in film to ogle over for years to come. Others are invoking the C word in an attempt to downplay the role of the KDF and boost the morale of their army and their brave and glorious commander in chief for life, Museveni.

War is not waged for entertainment purposes, nor is it a pageantry. The puerility of the assertion that the KDF should have put into use all its equipment in OLN would only be sweet and laughable if put forward by a 5 year old kid. For those dying to witness a bloodbath I suggest 'Redbox' (or whichever video renting service is available in Kenya) and browse under the 'Action' genre for your fix.

These brave men and women representing our nation in Somalia are human beings and not disposable pawns. There are military planners and strategists who I am sure have a better understanding of the issue at hand and instead of yelping 'Lost Glory!' from the comfort of your apartments use the resources here to figure out what the next step is.

The heartbroken keyboard militants are now choking with disappointment. Only 48 hours ago, they were showering this website with praise but now are writing it off as a propaganda outlet for the KDF. The British are hiring, your expertise will be invaluable in their adventures in Kismayo.

Honor the brave soldiers that lost their lives and those that are still deployed in Somalia.

Couldn't have put it better myself, Mekatilili. It is unimaginable that the stringent critics here cannot fathom this whole ensemble from this point of view. Easy to distinguish you from your ''twin'' now, hehehe!!

@timoh - so what if we wade knee deep in the bloodbath that AS has prepared in Kismayo, and then quickly extract form it - then what? It is just this sort of narrow-targeted military strategy by Ethiopia that has driven the entire region into this quagmire of Somalia. It is like a quick f-ck with a call-girl - transient feel-good high. We need to distinguish between the Somali People and AS/AQ, and the tragedy is that AS/AQ are desperately hoping that some of you are Planners in the KDF's DHQ OPD&T - thank God they ain't!! Our interests are not necessary in confluence with Camerons - we will always have Somalia on our eastern flanks until God comes back to earth!!

@mbs - again absolutely spot-on, one insight that is conveniently forgotten by educated Africans who are wont to blithely assume the goodness of those that ogle Africa. Who do you reckon it the captive readership of that AFP Reporter, @Countersniper? Come on, people - is the entire human race-relationship history now forgotten? It will be sad indeed if this blog becomes captive of political activism such as has energized the imagination of Kenya's online intelligensia!!

Im not a military stratgiest but i kno that we should atleast start bombing the place make As wither in there bunkers amke them feel like the end is near then you would would objective like one we capture the airport( which is probably heavily guarded but a few KDF delta chaps would handle them) then once its secured then gunships/cargo planes would land with supplies and troops. Then you would confuse As by then having another force from the north come to attack them slowly forcing them east toward ethopian troops which they would finish off the rest.But you see Not as many Kdf soliders would be injured if we have gunships and jets on standby to killing any s*ht that is advancing toward you while jets still bomb the F**k out of the place.They would surrender As because they have seen our fire power and TFG can be used as diversion targets. I praise KDF but it look like they have gotten cold feet.

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:16

countersniper wrote:i have again just listened to a live press conference by Hilary Clinton and David Cameron..talking on Somalia...again nothing about how Kenya has helped to bring about this enabling environment and nothing on how Kenya has helped.so far..
instead they are just lauding their own efforts to date which are just nothing meaningful to say the least.

Don't you get it yet, brother Countersniper? You are not their constituent, they do not need to mention us, and don't owe us any favours to praise us. They address their constituents, are fighting a rear-guard war having been left out of Somalia too long in their skepticism about KDF - AU Somalia Strategy. Smell the Kenyan Coffee, man, Kenya is seeking to smash an age-old matrix that supplants Johnny and Sammy. The New Economies are counting on this, to break into Africa.

jasiri Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:16

Thinking out loudly
Kenya right now is currently backed by China. Kenya succeeds where U.S backed Ethiopia and Uganda have failed. The west looses yet another bout to China. Kenya creates a peaceful Somalia that China is only to happy to bed. China now controls Kenya, Somalia and South Sudan. Ethiopia and Uganda meanwhile have no Choice, the join the Chinese party wagon. The West looses the whole of the WAIST OF AFRICA. Stand steadfast in your amy, this is not about competence it's about politics. Too bad the Chinese foreign policy is somehow akin to Kenya's, chini ya maji.

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:17

countersniper wrote:i have again just listened to a live press conference by Hilary Clinton and David Cameron..talking on Somalia...again nothing about how Kenya has helped to bring about this enabling environment and nothing on how Kenya has helped.so far..
instead they are just lauding their own efforts to date which are just nothing meaningful to say the least.

We Need to show them what we can do. Does KDF allow any foreign journalists travel with its camp? Because they are the ones who write the story not the politicians.Also is there a place where i can get some film so i can watch the kill cam unfold on the AS when we entered. and Have you guys located those Kenyan police men who were kidnapped

countersniper Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:18

sky news is just reporting that about 30 surface to air missiles stollen from former gadafi armouries have been dispatched by alqaida to the alshabab forces in KISMAYU the missiles are already on the ground.
so KDF choppers and jets will be rendered useless ..
DAMM IAM GETTING SICKER AND SICKER.

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:23

countersniper wrote:sky news is just reporting that about 30 surface to air missiles stollen from former gadafi armouries have been dispatched by alqaida to the alshabab forces in KISMAYU the missiles are already on the ground.
so KDF choppers and jets will be rendered useless ..
DAMM IAM GETTING SICKER AND SICKER.

Well sounds like a rumor where is the proof,Okay if so then we fly high and fast and the special forces will deal with that ascpect.

jasiri Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:29

http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16175211 read it an hour ago and asked myself this.
1. Where was military intell when this was happening?
2. Where was the Navy when these goods were passing into Kismayu?
3. By ship from Libya? wouldn't air be much simpler and safer for them? No 5th fleet to go through.
4. Where was the SOG? Why didn't they neutralise this threat?

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:31

jasiri wrote:Thinking out loudly
Kenya right now is currently backed by China. Kenya succeeds where U.S backed Ethiopia and Uganda have failed. The west looses yet another bout to China. Kenya creates a peaceful Somalia that China is only to happy to bed. China now controls Kenya, Somalia and South Sudan. Ethiopia and Uganda meanwhile have no Choice, the join the Chinese party wagon. The West looses the whole of the WAIST OF AFRICA. Stand steadfast in your amy, this is not about competence it's about politics. Too bad the Chinese foreign policy is somehow akin to Kenya's, chini ya maji.

Exactly what I have been saying here for months! This is greater than Somalia under AS. I said a while ago that some of our very famous friends in the west have been pushing KDF to muscle into Kismayo and raze the place to the ground ( and we bloody well can) - to alienate the Somali people and recreate the AS into some monster that will keep Somalia unstable for another decade.
@ Countersniper - you are no soldier, it would look like. Thirty MANPADS and you want to ground the entire KAF and the entire 50Aircalvary?

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:33

jasiri wrote:http://news.sky.com/home/world-news/article/16175211 read it an hour ago and asked myself this.
1. Where was military intell when this was happening?
2. Where was the Navy when these goods were passing into Kismayu?
3. By ship from Libya? wouldn't air be much simpler and safer for them? No 5th fleet to go through.
4. Where was the SOG? Why didn't they neutralise this threat?

Oh SHIT we had these pigs on the run now they are gonna wreak havoc i can just imagine these missiles on a back of a land-cruiser oh god forbid we must take action quick. And i think they used the somali land route to get them there.

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:37

ole Nkarei wrote:
jasiri wrote:Thinking out loudly
Kenya right now is currently backed by China. Kenya succeeds where U.S backed Ethiopia and Uganda have failed. The west looses yet another bout to China. Kenya creates a peaceful Somalia that China is only to happy to bed. China now controls Kenya, Somalia and South Sudan. Ethiopia and Uganda meanwhile have no Choice, the join the Chinese party wagon. The West looses the whole of the WAIST OF AFRICA. Stand steadfast in your amy, this is not about competence it's about politics. Too bad the Chinese foreign policy is somehow akin to Kenya's, chini ya maji.

Exactly what I have been saying here for months! This is greater than Somalia under AS. I said a while ago that some of our very famous friends in the west have been pushing KDF to muscle into Kismayo and raze the place to the ground ( and we bloody well can) - to alienate the Somali people and recreate the AS into some monster that will keep Somalia unstable for another decade.
@ Countersniper - you are no soldier, it would look like. Thirty MANPADS and you want to ground the entire KAF and the entire 50Aircalvary?

I dont think the missiles are for the gunships but enough to dent some major blows to our airforce. they have enought anti-air equipment for those i believe the SAM-7 is for our F-5's. WHy not use the local militia and turn them into monsters not AS

countersniper Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:38

CNN is now airing a live feed from david mackenzie on the front line...between kdf and alshabab#

very good report atleast from the kenyan born cnn london based anchor zain verjee

jasiri Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:39

30 manpads in the hands of inexperienced rebels. By the time they realise they are not gonna shoot don an F-5 they wld av wasted half of them. The other half would be used to protect Godane and crew from marauding gunships.

countersniper Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:43

ole Nkarei wrote:
jasiri wrote:Thinking out loudly
Kenya right now is currently backed by China. Kenya succeeds where U.S backed Ethiopia and Uganda have failed. The west looses yet another bout to China. Kenya creates a peaceful Somalia that China is only to happy to bed. China now controls Kenya, Somalia and South Sudan. Ethiopia and Uganda meanwhile have no Choice, the join the Chinese party wagon. The West looses the whole of the WAIST OF AFRICA. Stand steadfast in your amy, this is not about competence it's about politics. Too bad the Chinese foreign policy is somehow akin to Kenya's, chini ya maji.

Exactly what I have been saying here for months! This is greater than Somalia under AS. I said a while ago that some of our very famous friends in the west have been pushing KDF to muscle into Kismayo and raze the place to the ground ( and we bloody well can) - to alienate the Somali people and recreate the AS into some monster that will keep Somalia unstable for another decade.
@ Countersniper - you are no soldier, it would look like. Thirty MANPADS and you want to ground the entire KAF and the entire 50Aircalvary?

ole nkerai
i take exception to your comment. one does not need to be a soldier to know that all alshabab need is to down one MD 500 or F5 and achieve a massive propagandist effect..
I am beginning to doubt your rationale
now.
OOPS KIBAKI IS LIVE ON CNN SPEAKING...!!!

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:47

jasiri wrote:30 manpads in the hands of inexperienced rebels. By the time they realise they are not gonna shoot don an F-5 they wld av wasted half of them. The other half would be used to protect Godane and crew from marauding gunships.

Best to allow these MANPADS in, and then hunt them down in a known grid, rather than setting up maritime quarantine without the resources to effectively police the area. We can and will take them out - watch the Deltas. Someone once joked on this blog, i think it was Countersniper, that AS is so bloody spooked of even doing a cook-out in their bankers because they are not certain KDF will not call in with Kachubari and Sukumawiki before the choma is done!!

We are more afraid of these MANPADS crossing over into any of the EAC/IGAD and threatening civilian aircraft off the International Airports.

@ Countersniper - take it easy brother. No offense / insult intended at all. Ignore the 'offending' comment, and lets carry on as-we-were.

mekatilili Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:48

He just told them to return the somali refugees home ASAP! Its 5:49AM here havent slept! cant sleep! arrrgh!

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:48

jasiri wrote:30 manpads in the hands of inexperienced rebels. By the time they realise they are not gonna shoot don an F-5 they wld av wasted half of them. The other half would be used to protect Godane and crew from marauding gunships.

They have rpg's and those anti aircraft shipments they got a while back.These guys are not dumb of course their main target would be a kdf jet god forbid because if they hit on it would prove that they still have a fight in them. Agood example of the manpads powers was when the usa armed the mujahideen with stinger missiles which shot down soviet jets and gunships but later came and With the shocking effect of Blowback the same missiles were used to turn Humvee's into scrap metal.

jasiri Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:53

hehehe PORITICS AND MIRITARY OBJECTIVES ARE DIFFERENT.

Cyclon, why hasn't an RPG brought down an MD 500 yet?

countersniper Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:54

ole Nkarei wrote:
jasiri wrote:30 manpads in the hands of inexperienced rebels. By the time they realise they are not gonna shoot don an F-5 they wld av wasted half of them. The other half would be used to protect Godane and crew from marauding gunships.

Best to allow these MANPADS in, and then hunt them down in a known grid, rather than setting up maritime quarantine without the resources to effectively police the area. We can and will take them out - watch the Deltas. Someone once joked on this blog, i think it was Countersniper, that AS is so bloody spooked of even doing a cook-out in their bankers because they are not certain KDF will not call in with Kachubari and Sukumawiki before the choma is done!!

We are more afraid of these MANPADS crossing over into any of the EAC/IGAD and threatening civilian aircraft off the International Airports.

@ Countersniper - take it easy brother. No offense / insult intended at all. Ignore the 'offending' comment, and lets carry on as-we-were.

OK OK brother..thanks for that..
anyway now you see the urgency in dealing with kismayu.. kibaki has just said in his speech he is disappointed the UN mandate voted on has no sea or naval component therefore it will make the war on these thugs harder

jasiri Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:57

countersniper wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
jasiri wrote:30 manpads in the hands of inexperienced rebels. By the time they realise they are not gonna shoot don an F-5 they wld av wasted half of them. The other half would be used to protect Godane and crew from marauding gunships.

Best to allow these MANPADS in, and then hunt them down in a known grid, rather than setting up maritime quarantine without the resources to effectively police the area. We can and will take them out - watch the Deltas. Someone once joked on this blog, i think it was Countersniper, that AS is so bloody spooked of even doing a cook-out in their bankers because they are not certain KDF will not call in with Kachubari and Sukumawiki before the choma is done!!

We are more afraid of these MANPADS crossing over into any of the EAC/IGAD and threatening civilian aircraft off the International Airports.

@ Countersniper - take it easy brother. No offense / insult intended at all. Ignore the 'offending' comment, and lets carry on as-we-were.
OK OK brother..thanks for that..
anyway now you see the urgency in dealing with kismayu.. kibaki has just said in his speech he is disappointed the UN mandate voted on has no sea or naval component therefore it will make the war on these thugs harder

Colonel, you have been feeding us the real deal. did u draft Kibaki's speech by any chance?

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:58

You do us injustice.
This war is being fought by a Nation, mekatilili, not just by an Army. This Nation has given full support to that Army and the kitchen cabinet that unilaterally called the shots. It is neither an action movie nor a bloodbath that the Nation wants to see. It wants to see results. A safer Kenya and the seeds of Kenyana. At the moment, there is no indication of either. The stakes in any war are astronomical. You cannot imagine that the expectations will be any less so. So far, OLN has been a political and diplomatic miscarriage, which is not surprising considering our own political infighting and juridicial credentials. The first few weeks of OLN were a perceptible demonstration of KDF's tactical brilliance and the sheer potential of its raw power. Then some political milksop walked in and threw a spanner into the works.
Grief and concern for our brave men and women are not an exclusive preserve. The Nation has as much claim to Citizen Mwanza as the Army does to Sergeant Mwanza. We cherish them all and grieve for the fallen.
P.S. the not-entirely-subliminal cynicism has been disregarded.

mekatilili wrote:It is funny reading the reactions from some on this forum that feel like the world is ending now that an invasion of Kismayo by the gallant KDF forces has not been captured in film to ogle over for years to come. Others are invoking the C word in an attempt to downplay the role of the KDF and boost the morale of their army and their brave and glorious commander in chief for life, Museveni.

War is not waged for entertainment purposes, nor is it a pageantry. The puerility of the assertion that the KDF should have put into use all its equipment in OLN would only be sweet and laughable if put forward by a 5 year old kid. For those dying to witness a bloodbath I suggest 'Redbox' (or whichever video renting service is available in Kenya) and browse under the 'Action' genre for your fix.

These brave men and women representing our nation in Somalia are human beings and not disposable pawns. There are military planners and strategists who I am sure have a better understanding of the issue at hand and instead of yelping 'Lost Glory!' from the comfort of your apartments use the resources here to figure out what the next step is.

The heartbroken keyboard militants are now choking with disappointment. Only 48 hours ago, they were showering this website with praise but now are writing it off as a propaganda outlet for the KDF. The British are hiring, your expertise will be invaluable in their adventures in Kismayo.

Honor the brave soldiers that lost their lives and those that are still deployed in Somalia.

cylon Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:59

jasiri wrote:hehehe PORITICS AND MIRITARY OBJECTIVES ARE DIFFERENT.

Cyclon, why hasn't an RPG brought down an MD 500 yet?

The rpg's havent been used on a MD-500 is that they are wasted trying to blow-up our very well made APC. and the gunships arrive after alshabab is a;ready fleeing and they lay a line of death on the fleeing combatants. and i believe the upgraded md500's have early detection warnings to warn them of such things.

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 14:59

@ Countersniper -
anyway now you see the urgency in dealing with kismayu.. kibaki has just said in his speech he is disappointed the UN mandate voted on has no sea or naval component therefore it will make the war on these thugs harder[/quote]

Johnny is proposing that EU will kit out the KDF-Navy and pick up the tab on running expenses - fuels, ordnance, salaries, repairs, refitting, outside the UNSC mandate. Clearly the NAVY was intentionally left out of this Expanded Mandate. This is just not acceptable to KDF because 'whoever pays the piper, calls the music" and that is what Johnny wants. Dammit all!!my

@Jas - my little office is too far from the ole man's glare!! But you know even he cannot generate policy statements from the air! Hehehe!

Guest Thu Feb 23 2012, 15:12

In that blinkered patriotism and a lack of introspection can be as lethal as any militia? Everything is conditional, man!

ole Nkarei wrote:Couldn't have put it better myself, Mekatilili. It is unimaginable that the stringent critics here cannot fathom this whole ensemble from this point of view. Easy to distinguish you from your ''twin'' now, hehehe!!

@timoh - so what if we wade knee deep in the bloodbath that AS has prepared in Kismayo, and then quickly extract form it - then what? It is just this sort of narrow-targeted military strategy by Ethiopia that has driven the entire region into this quagmire of Somalia. It is like a quick f-ck with a call-girl - transient feel-good high. We need to distinguish between the Somali People and AS/AQ, and the tragedy is that AS/AQ are desperately hoping that some of you are Planners in the KDF's DHQ OPD&T - thank God they ain't!! Our interests are not necessary in confluence with Camerons - we will always have Somalia on our eastern flanks until God comes back to earth!!

@mbs - again absolutely spot-on, one insight that is conveniently forgotten by educated Africans who are wont to blithely assume the goodness of those that ogle Africa. Who do you reckon it the captive readership of that AFP Reporter, @Countersniper? Come on, people - is the entire human race-relationship history now forgotten? It will be sad indeed if this blog becomes captive of political activism such as has energized the imagination of Kenya's online intelligensia!!

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