Kenya Defence Force

ole Nkarei wrote:
Some fella in Action Aid, claiming to speak on behalf of what is euphemistically being called by these charlatans as ‘’Humanitarian Sector””, last night had the gall to declare on international news media that it ‘’was unpalatable to them if the Old Man demanded repatriation of Refugees in Dadaab to Somalia””!!!! WTF do these fellas think they are??

ole Nkarei wrote:

jasiri wrote:Thinking out loudly
Kenya right now is currently backed by China. Kenya succeeds where U.S backed Ethiopia and Uganda have failed. The west looses yet another bout to China. Kenya creates a peaceful Somalia that China is only to happy to bed. China now controls Kenya, Somalia and South Sudan. Ethiopia and Uganda meanwhile have no Choice, the join the Chinese party wagon. The West looses the whole of the WAIST OF AFRICA. Stand steadfast in your amy, this is not about competence it's about politics. Too bad the Chinese foreign policy is somehow akin to Kenya's, chini ya maji.

Exactly what I have been saying here for months! This is greater than Somalia under AS. I said a while ago that some of our very famous friends in the west have been pushing KDF to muscle into Kismayo and raze the place to the ground ( and we bloody well can) - to alienate the Somali people and recreate the AS into some monster that will keep Somalia unstable for another decade.
@ Countersniper - you are no soldier, it would look like. Thirty MANPADS and you want to ground the entire KAF and the entire 50Aircalvary?

Fabrizio wrote:Really? Have you considered the possibility, however remote that they may be pushing for that action so that AS is decapitated once and for all? Can you explain why that logic of alienation does not apply to OLN as a whole?

ole Nkarei wrote:

jasiri wrote:Thinking out loudly
Kenya right now is currently backed by China. Kenya succeeds where U.S backed Ethiopia and Uganda have failed. The west looses yet another bout to China. Kenya creates a peaceful Somalia that China is only to happy to bed. China now controls Kenya, Somalia and South Sudan. Ethiopia and Uganda meanwhile have no Choice, the join the Chinese party wagon. The West looses the whole of the WAIST OF AFRICA. Stand steadfast in your amy, this is not about competence it's about politics. Too bad the Chinese foreign policy is somehow akin to Kenya's, chini ya maji.

Exactly what I have been saying here for months! This is greater than Somalia under AS. I said a while ago that some of our very famous friends in the west have been pushing KDF to muscle into Kismayo and raze the place to the ground ( and we bloody well can) - to alienate the Somali people and recreate the AS into some monster that will keep Somalia unstable for another decade.
@ Countersniper - you are no soldier, it would look like. Thirty MANPADS and you want to ground the entire KAF and the entire 50Aircalvary?

Fabrizio wrote:Really? Have you considered the possibility, however remote that they may be pushing for that action so that AS is decapitated once and for all? Can you explain why that logic of alienation does not apply to OLN as a whole?

cylon wrote:

Kobooz wrote:Is U.S. Committing Superpower Suicide Against China? this article is on yahoo. Sorry to divert discussions but considering that this tug of control involves us i.e these two are tussling for the control and utilisation of 'our' resources would be good to get some insight from analytical bloggers here, and how will this Iran thing play out? Are we likely to see black hawks over the deserts again? It is already clear that global fuel prices are going to shoot up again - this concerns us, even where (super) power tilts affects us

BLOWBACK that is what the usa is experiencing bad policy work is coming back to haunt them. One the iran problem is gonna cause very big ripples in the water because as long russia and china is supporting iran the usa/Israel cant do anything but you see israel doesn't care if it starts another world war. I dont see any black hawks flying in africa anytime because all African countries rejected a united states base in africa but they keep pushing and it will not happen unless the AU can say it doesn't need American help. As i can say with global fuel prices is that its a game ever since 1970's when the arabs cut the fuel united states has always played it safe by amassing a lot of the black stuff while it can lower global prices with its own Alaskan oil well it chooses not to because its just one of the traits of a dying superpower still trying to regain control.

Ned Starks Head wrote:

Fabrizio wrote:Really? Have you considered the possibility, however remote that they may be pushing for that action so that AS is decapitated once and for all? Can you explain why that logic of alienation does not apply to OLN as a whole?

Ermm my counter to that would be of what interest is the end of the AS to the limeys - not one jot. If they really had wanted that, the scope for the UN mandate would have been much broader.

The behavior being exhibited is that of a vulture circling after the lion has made the kill.
If enough of them circle and peck and stick their noses in then perhaps they can put the lion of his kill.

For whatever reason (tactical, strategic and/or political) I don't know myself the powers that be deem that the KDF should take OLN low and slow - and in many ways I agree with the approach.
There is not much to be gained by rushing is fool hardy and claiming that the operation is over and then spending years trying to put down an insurgency.
The logic of alienation if I copy you correctly applies less and less as you make the AS less viable by cutting of the source of their economic power. For without money they become no more than the general populace, whereas decimating their ranks does little as long as they have money to recruit more crazies to their cause.

Should the KDF take Kismayo - for sure, how should they do it while not loosing men and turning the population against them dammed if I know. But there in do the limeys sense the weakness and they will pick at that wound until it festers - it has always been their modus operandi the world over.

rwigi wrote:

one of the traits of a dying superpower still trying to regain control.

Wakikusikia they will throw you out of there. Remember you are yet to work on the IEDs detector.

Fabrizio wrote:Ok. I have no illusions about the intentions of the west and Britain in particular. They are meddlesome and have shown little overt support or recognition to OLN - even more disappointing given Obama's Kenyan roots. As a Kenyan I am naturally rooting for KDF but also concerned about the apparent lack of visible traction. It must be tough for a soldier to spend months in the unfriendly confines of Bur Gabo without sighting the enemy even once.

MWAURA wrote:

@Mwaura, the Moskit actually wasn't as potent as it seemed to be. A combo of RIM-7 sea sparrows and RIM-116 Rolling Airframe Missile would take them out, if the managed to burn through a screen of bullets fro Phalanx CIWS would be waiting. You also ave to remember that the Moskit was radar guided and U.S Navy/NATO Naval forces ships had Chaff dispensers to confuse the missile. In any case, the Moskit wasn't designed to find carriers in large battle groups. As a radar guided missile that would severely confuse it. The NATO navies anyway had no problem steering destroyers and frigates onto the path of oncoming missiles to save a carrier, that was their job anyway a carrier escorts. in The Moskit was also a preety straight forward sea-skimming missile with no 'jinking' capability, much to it's disadvantage. In my opinion the most potent carrier killer in Soviet Naval inventory was their Submarine force driven by very skilled and aggressive drivers.

I would be extremely hesitant to believe the USN currently has the ability to defend against supersonic Ashs. Do you have a link? Fyi,there's now a newer version flying up to mach 3.5.
Those of you saying the KDF should emulate the Ethiopians shouldn't be allowed within shouting distance of any armed forces planning department! Here is a true story about the Ethiopians in the 1988 battle of Nakfa,one of many during the 30 year war with Eritreans. A division was outflanked then surrounded. As the generals realised the increasing danger was actually a catastrophe they did the unthinkable: they knowingly napalmed and cluster bombed their own units.
After the war,the general said, "you must always destroy your equipment to avoid capture;if you can't separate the men from the equipment,such is war." Until today junked out t-59s,artillery pieces and APCs litter the landscape.Is that the ethos the KDF should adopt all for the transient glory of saying we captured Kismayu? Look at Baidoa;yes the Ethios captured it and immediately tok 15 KIA and retaliated blindly,like the militia they are.
Cyclon,please press pause for a minute. Analyst,please give the intel site a rest!

countersniper wrote:
kIBAKI AS USUAL READ A SPEECH but we all know his limitations..he has a poor public speaking ability in the face of international media spotlight.

Spartan wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Hehehe! Inadvertently a crash is possible, Spartan. Happened in Kisangani a while ago, no? But seriously, KDF is not engaged in OLN to any depth - just a wee under a brigade of ground hogs, and a few elements of Air and Sea under a JTF.

BTW, OLN must close before we rehat. What CLOSE means.........

It would be a huge victory for AS/Al Qaeda, and a step backward for Africa. We would never taken seriously again. Kisangani was different, and we both know it.

Regarding the MANPADS purportedly in Kismayo, I don't think we should take those rumours seriously. AS is not the kind of outfit to sit on that kind of potentially morale-boosting news. They would have tried said something already.

ole Nkarei wrote:With the entire Homeland within a few minutes of air-flight to Mogadishu
and Kismayo. A bit of sabre-rattling is permissible in the
circumstances, no? Hehehe!

The more reason for Kismayo to have been taken already. The only time those few flight minutes would help KDF if it faced off with a well equipped and experienced adversary would be in a full throttle retreat. You don't want to even imagine that, do you?

Ned Starks Head wrote:

Fabrizio wrote:Really? Have you considered the possibility, however remote that they may be pushing for that action so that AS is decapitated once and for all? Can you explain why that logic of alienation does not apply to OLN as a whole?

Ermm my counter to that would be of what interest is the end of the AS to the limeys - not one jot. If they really had wanted that, the scope for the UN mandate would have been much broader.

The behavior being exhibited is that of a vulture circling after the lion has made the kill.
If enough of them circle and peck and stick their noses in then perhaps they can put the lion of his kill.

For whatever reason (tactical, strategic and/or political) I don't know myself the powers that be deem that the KDF should take OLN low and slow - and in many ways I agree with the approach.
There is not much to be gained by rushing is fool hardy and claiming that the operation is over and then spending years trying to put down an insurgency.
The logic of alienation if I copy you correctly applies less and less as you make the AS less viable by cutting of the source of their economic power. For without money they become no more than the general populace, whereas decimating their ranks does little as long as they have money to recruit more crazies to their cause.

Should the KDF take Kismayo - for sure, how should they do it while not loosing men and turning the population against them dammed if I know. But there in do the limeys sense the weakness and they will pick at that wound until it festers - it has always been their modus operandi the world over.

Ned Starks Head wrote:

countersniper wrote:
kIBAKI AS USUAL READ A SPEECH but we all know his limitations..he has a poor public speaking ability in the face of international media spotlight.

Who would you recommend for handling the international media CounterS?
I'm sure there must be some brilliant public speaker we have to send to just these kind of conferences.

Although he wouldn't be the right person in that sort of forum I am always continually amazed by our good Col. Oguna's ability to elucidate KDF progress and outlook. That dude is definitely a good public speaker

cylon wrote:
The alahabab isnt poor remember when the piracy start in the gulf of aden those captured ships ported somewhere andd the payments they received were huge so money isnt a concern to this people they have plenty of it.

countersniper wrote:
At the moment there is no single kenyan politiciuan who can articulate kenyans case on this OLN thing to the international media coherently so that the world can understand the the need,why,the when the how and the end of why we are doing this.
the Kenya political animal only looks at things through the raging ruto,uhuru,odinga election scenario prism /icc acampo brogodocios and that's it.
there is no clear vision or strategy for the country other than gaining power and protecting the status quo.
we are at war facing a very deadly enemy and yet you cant help but notice politicians doing things as usual pathetic situation indeed... you wait until we are unlucky enough to be severely hit by alqaida
The military officer cadre have good guys who can talk like the tweeting major and colonel oguna...but the message gets drowned out by the politics of the day.

in fact me thinks they should do away with the current desk style weekly briefing and adopt a proper military style presentation with charts,diagrams and live pictures film etc on how they are achieving the stated goals.

mekatilili wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5K06NHEmWk&feature=player_embedded

mekatilili wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5K06NHEmWk&feature=player_embedded

Analyst wrote:

mekatilili wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5K06NHEmWk&feature=player_embedded

The bugger was coached to say that....'If you are good in psycho-analysis'...he is simply reading from the devils script!!

The vedio was published on 23rd February..one day before the Somali forum in London..
Note the words 'arrested by Al-Shabaab and Mujahideen...'

' i would like to appeal to my president......how many Kenyans are we willing to sacrifice.....
'Somalia is not our country .....
'Been moving from one place to another across Somalia......
'Gave us the best food...
'Secured us from wild animals....

There is no code or message he is trying to send about his locale or captors...
He is forcing emotions
His appeal is not convincing to qualify as a desperate SOS call.

Al-Shabaab are very good at propaganda....

Too bad though
[i]

cylon wrote:

Analyst wrote:

mekatilili wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5K06NHEmWk&feature=player_embedded

The bugger was coached to say that....'If you are good in psycho-analysis'...he is simply reading from the devils script!!

The vedio was published on 23rd February..one day before the Somali forum in London..
Note the words 'arrested by Al-Shabaab and Mujahideen...'

' i would like to appeal to my president......how many Kenyans are we willing to sacrifice.....
'Somalia is not our country .....
'Been moving from one place to another across Somalia......
'Gave us the best food...
'Secured us from wild animals....

There is no code or message he is trying to send about his locale or captors...
He is forcing emotions
His appeal is not convincing to qualify as a desperate SOS call.

Al-Shabaab are very good at propaganda....

Too bad though
[i]

Oh analyst the whole video is the code just listen to the background noise and the people talking in the background its all a clue. They are close to a road and a market. the area they are in is full of trees and you can hear almost some construction in the background etc just remove his voice and wonders will happen.He is mostly rambling and he has left several clues. I just listened to in again and OH SHIT he is in MOMBASA just i heard very distinctive matatu horn that you only hear in mombasa

ole Nkarei wrote:He is not reading from script but following triggered prompts. The man is pleading for his life, scared out of his mind. You would do the same in his shoes, Heck, I know I would. I suggest, Cylon, that we not engage too much in 'expert' analysis of this touchy issue of these captives, let's leave it to the pros and there are pretty damn switched on despite all the snide comments Kenyans just love making about GoK functionaries. Suffice to say they are in separate but known locations inside Somalia.

countersniper wrote:can yu tube help by giving where this was uploaded from and the acount holder details??/?

fusebox wrote:

countersniper wrote:can yu tube help by giving where this was uploaded from and the acount holder details??/?

Doesn't matter who uploaded the vid to youtube.
The original vid was uploaded to www.archive.org by Al-Kataib (AS's preferred propaganda media house) here http://www.archive.org/download/Message0/

@Cyclon. You've just been told to shut it with the amateur analysis. It doesn't help