Continued growth for African economies in 2013

Olekoima Tue Jan 29 2013, 17:01

Not a military topic, but a good read:-
http://www.theafricareport.com/north-africa/continued-growth-for-african-economies-in-2013.html

Risasi Tue Jan 29 2013, 20:50

@balozi…What is a qualified weapons instructor (pertaining aircrafts or fighter jet..that is)? Why is he call so?get that answer and you get the info you seek for. Jasiri and friends help the friend

jasiri wrote:
Balozi wrote:@risasi I have been doing research on the cost of fighter aircrafts now that you mentioned Woo vs Sammy and if KDF-Af gets binded to US how much do we loss.
the china deals
FC-10 27.84 million USD
FC-1 Block 1: US$15–20 million
Block 2: US$20–25 million
Yak-130 $15 million
L-15 $US 14,6 million

Against

Medium end fighters
F-16A/B: US$14.6 million
F-16C/D: US$18.8 million
F/A-18 Unit cost US$29
or high end fighters
Su30 US$34 million
F-15C/D: US$30 million

From what I see the difference isn,t more than USD7million in either category.USD7million shouldn,t scare us from a 40yre hydrocarbon bidding agreement vise vie standards and reliability from a world class manufacturer. With all due respect, is they something more than what meets the eye? We know our past and how we award contracts.
Unit Costs courtesy of Wikipedia

Balozi here's where you fool yourself. These Chinese and Russian bids you quote started existing post 2008. The Yankee birds you quote entered production in the 70's. This prices you quote are the 70's prices. In the case of the F-16 and F-15 you quote 1998 dollars. Question: has the price of bread remained constant since 1998?
The F-18 has a wild variation of about 28 million dollars between the lowest and the highest price! That in itself should tell you something. Every Air Force has it's own unique requirement of capabilities to its warplanes. For us, i imagine we emphasise more on air to ground capability than air to air. That 28 dollars is your basic F-18, no better than the Cessna i fly save for that little detail about Mach 1+ capability. To configure that to an aircraft usefull to the K.A.F may cost well over half of the purchasing price. Remember as you are embarking on your 'pimp my jet' exercise, your EULA (End User Licencing Agreement) has bound you to using ONLY American equipment and devices on the fighter. The same EULA has specified how you can and how you can not use that warplane. Nini hii sasa? it's like buying a Rungu from a Maasai (no offence O.N, Olekima, Ole Sidai n other hidden Oles) who then makes you sign an agreement limiting your use of the rungu. All that said, we've not taken into account the servicing agreement, the supply and service of weaponry agreement (see how they screwed the Pakistanis?) the Mean Time between engine overhaul, the operating cost (i hear for the F-16 it's about 22,000 USD per hour. That's a brand new VW Passat every hour Risasi is gears up on an F-16)
As for the Chinese and Russians, they couldn't care if you fit spears and arrows on the weapons pylons, whether you bomb a village in Isiolo with them..as long as they recieved your cash. The Russians are pretty River road in their dealings (as the Algerians found out) but otherwise they don't care. You can buy an FC-1, Give it Israeli avionics, Ukranian engines, French Missiles, an American helmet (if they'll agree) and Woo won't care much. This is the freedom that Risasi as airman wants.

mogen Wed Jan 30 2013, 09:04

First it was the UK admitting openly and now the US confirms they are in it. Transport of personnel, equipment and tankers for aerial refuelling. Australia too has announced its providing monetary support but no boots on the ground. UK says they have dispatched troops to help train soldiers from anglophone countries.

Methinks this Mali maneno has taken away funding from the AU's unfinished business in Somalia and part of the reason is that the West wanted more control here than was granted by the AU. Not good news at all given that a resurgence of an emboldened al kebab is possible.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/US-to-transport-African-troops-for-Mali-war/-/1066/1679408/-/vr2y2iz/-/index.html

Olekoima Wed Jan 30 2013, 18:24

mogen wrote:First it was the UK admitting openly and now the US confirms they are in it. Transport of personnel, equipment and tankers for aerial refuelling. Australia too has announced its providing monetary support but no boots on the ground. UK says they have dispatched troops to help train soldiers from anglophone countries.

Methinks this Mali maneno has taken away funding from the AU's unfinished business in Somalia and part of the reason is that the West wanted more control here than was granted by the AU. Not good news at all given that a resurgence of an emboldened al kebab is possible.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/US-to-transport-African-troops-for-Mali-war/-/1066/1679408/-/vr2y2iz/-/index.html

The west did very little for Somalia. Over the years they turned a deaf ear to the worsening humanitarian situation there in while pouring millions of dollars to Iraq and Afghanistan under the guise of fighting international terrorism. What is more, they didn't expect any action by AU and expected African troops in Somalia to fail miserably. How wrong they were. They can withhold their funding for all i care. Let Africans take care of things. Ultimately peace will prevail and Somalia will return to the path of prosperity especially given her massive untapped resources which are yet to be fully exploited. Once peace is around none of us will need any conditional funding from the west. We can survive on our own.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Thu Jan 31 2013, 02:45

@mogen, without going into detail,

The MOD has its own ways of carrying out activities and I would advice you not to buy the sheer myth of "Al shabaab re-surfacing for some fresh air", just because the UNSC hasn't released the funds. The dire need to keep Al shabaab's head totally buried in the sand remains 'strategically-unchallenged' to date. Believe me, the KDF can't actually loosen the strings, just not yet. For instance, i haven't over-heard ole Nkarei or Risasi expressing themselves in a "mutiny-inspired-tone" of late, due to, lets' say, lack of pay! Those funds are just, kickbacks.

@Olekoima, spot on.

mogen wrote:Methinks this Mali maneno has taken away funding from the AU's unfinished business in Somalia and part of the reason is that the West wanted more control here than was granted by the AU. Not good news at all given that a resurgence of an emboldened al kebab is possible.

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/US-to-transport-African-troops-for-Mali-war/-/1066/1679408/-/vr2y2iz/-/index.html

mchoraji Thu Jan 31 2013, 09:40

Israel had threatened to strike syria if the rebels got access to syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.they struck early today striking what may be a chemical weapons plant.

The Syrian army has said that Israeli jets crossed into Syria below the radar level at dawn and hit a military research centre in Jamraya, near Damascus.

"Israeli fighter jets violated our airspace at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defence," the army's general command said in a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Wednesday evening.

The Israeli regime claimed earlier that it had targeted a convoy of chemical weapons in Syria.

mogen Fri Feb 01 2013, 11:36

@Mchoraji
Like in the strike on a weapons depot in Sudan, the Israel intel on goings on inside Syria was pretty good. The jets entered Syrian airspace struck Hezbollah trucks carrying their weapons stockpile away to safety in Lebanon. Their usual storage facilities inside Syria are increasingly in danger.

Question is where were the Syrian SAMs?

mchoraji wrote:Israel had threatened to strike syria if the rebels got access to syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.they struck early today striking what may be a chemical weapons plant.

The Syrian army has said that Israeli jets crossed into Syria below the radar level at dawn and hit a military research centre in Jamraya, near Damascus.

"Israeli fighter jets violated our airspace at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defence," the army's general command said in a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Wednesday evening.

The Israeli regime claimed earlier that it had targeted a convoy of chemical weapons in Syria.

Risasi Fri Feb 01 2013, 13:18

hahah don,t you get it? Mogen Very Happy

why the russian are upset Laughing

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/russia-condemns-israeli-strike-syria

mogen wrote:@Mchoraji
Like in the strike on a weapons depot in Sudan, the Israel intel on goings on inside Syria was pretty good. The jets entered Syrian airspace struck Hezbollah trucks carrying their weapons stockpile away to safety in Lebanon. Their usual storage facilities inside Syria are increasingly in danger.

Question is where were the Syrian SAMs?

mchoraji wrote:Israel had threatened to strike syria if the rebels got access to syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.they struck early today striking what may be a chemical weapons plant.

The Syrian army has said that Israeli jets crossed into Syria below the radar level at dawn and hit a military research centre in Jamraya, near Damascus.

"Israeli fighter jets violated our airspace at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defence," the army's general command said in a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Wednesday evening.

The Israeli regime claimed earlier that it had targeted a convoy of chemical weapons in Syria.

jasiri Fri Feb 01 2013, 14:54

Risasi wrote:hahah don,t you get it? Mogen why the russian are upset

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/russia-condemns-israeli-strike-syria

mogen wrote:@Mchoraji
Like in the strike on a weapons depot in Sudan, the Israel intel on goings on inside Syria was pretty good. The jets entered Syrian airspace struck Hezbollah trucks carrying their weapons stockpile away to safety in Lebanon. Their usual storage facilities inside Syria are increasingly in danger.

Question is where were the Syrian SAMs?

mchoraji wrote:Israel had threatened to strike syria if the rebels got access to syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.they struck early today striking what may be a chemical weapons plant.

The Syrian army has said that Israeli jets crossed into Syria below the radar level at dawn and hit a military research centre in Jamraya, near Damascus.

"Israeli fighter jets violated our airspace at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defence," the army's general command said in a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Wednesday evening.

The Israeli regime claimed earlier that it had targeted a convoy of chemical weapons in Syria.

Some of the most advanced Russian radars in Syria, Israel violates the airspace with impunity (over a squadron strong).. most likely the Syrians attempted lock-on but failed. This is a problem, a big problem. If the Israelis can do it at will (meaning by extension NATO can too) then that means that the NATO alliance can sneak in and out of Russia at will. That to me is a HUGE concern for Ivan.
@Risasi QWI are basically the brains of the air force. They are the Creme de la creme of the air force who go through indepth training and later develop tactics for use in the Air Force...are you a QWI btw?

HokumA Fri Feb 01 2013, 15:56

Good afternoon forumers (its been a while) I see we are back to discussing things that matter the political maneno Evil or Very Mad

.Anyway I have come across this post seems like Uncle Sammy is taking all the credit for evicting Al-kebabs from crazy town and chai town. http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2013/01/mil-130131-afps01.htm?_m=3n%2e002a%2e720%2ezl0ao04e2k%2enlk

Risasi Fri Feb 01 2013, 17:17

While IAF is sending coded signals to Iran “we can strike you anytime, bear in mind you have similar AD systems” its also mocking Russia who purports to have sold Iran/Syria the best point guard close AD system for defending installation and facilities from aircraft ,precision bombs and incoming cruise missiles. Very Happy

The system Pantsir-S1 is believed to have a hit probability of 70–95%.its the same system that down the Turkish F-4.its a new in the field and Russia has been dish them out in the midddle east. it needs to sell a few more to break even on its cost of production.

@Jas. Do I wear a red fighter patch on my shoulder? No. I just want to drive a point home to Balozi on those aircraft prices. he has back down I think he got the answer Razz

jasiri wrote:
Risasi wrote:hahah don,t you get it? Mogen why the russian are upset

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/russia-condemns-israeli-strike-syria

mogen wrote:@Mchoraji
Like in the strike on a weapons depot in Sudan, the Israel intel on goings on inside Syria was pretty good. The jets entered Syrian airspace struck Hezbollah trucks carrying their weapons stockpile away to safety in Lebanon. Their usual storage facilities inside Syria are increasingly in danger.

Question is where were the Syrian SAMs?

mchoraji wrote:Israel had threatened to strike syria if the rebels got access to syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.they struck early today striking what may be a chemical weapons plant.

The Syrian army has said that Israeli jets crossed into Syria below the radar level at dawn and hit a military research centre in Jamraya, near Damascus.

"Israeli fighter jets violated our airspace at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defence," the army's general command said in a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Wednesday evening.

The Israeli regime claimed earlier that it had targeted a convoy of chemical weapons in Syria.

Some of the most advanced Russian radars in Syria, Israel violates the airspace with impunity (over a squadron strong).. most likely the Syrians attempted lock-on but failed. This is a problem, a big problem. If the Israelis can do it at will (meaning by extension NATO can too) then that means that the NATO alliance can sneak in and out of Russia at will. That to me is a HUGE concern for Ivan.
@Risasi QWI are basically the brains of the air force. They are the Creme de la creme of the air force who go through indepth training and later develop tactics for use in the Air Force...are you a QWI btw?

Guest Sat Feb 02 2013, 02:20

Just reading stuff that gets my blood boiling! The Boers have shot down the best chance yet to resolve the M23 Kivu conundrum a couple of days ago.

Two months of deliberate negotiations in Kampala crafted a deal that all ICGLR IGAD M23 and EAC approved.

In general terms -

- cessation of all aggressor manoeuvres by all negative forces,

- withdrawal of overt and covert Rwanda Uganda Angola European Armed Elements.

- Insertion of the Neutral Half-Brigade Mechanised Force with an integrated Air Calvary component drawn from African states without Borders to the DRC under UNSC command and mandate.

- restart under direct ICGLR /AU direction of an "all-cards-on-the-table" political process including the vested demographic interests of Rwanda in Eastern DRC.

- Rwanda Uganda Burundi DRC to sign on as participant to the conflict while Angola Tanzania South Africa to sign as guarantors of the shebang.

The intent of placing this Agreement under the UNSC ambit was a feint by EAC-IGaD to lock out SADC / South Africa out of the DRC maneno primarily because we see the Eastern DRC conflict to be more of an Demographics-derived than territorially motivated. The Boers however have pushed the view that Resolution of the Eastern DRC conflict MUST be driven by the Mutual Defence Treaty imperatives of SADCin which DRC belongs and thus as a purely territorial / sovereignty problem.

So while all African went to Addis hearts in hands to witness the signing of this negotiated Agreement, South Africa rejected it and sabotaged the whole shebang. Her objections? The Neutral Force under UNSC command and mandate rather than SADC-command and AU-mandate which the Boers demanded as an irreducible prerequisite to their agreement!

Now, anyone wants to draw projections of possuble trajectory of this madness in the short-term?

Spartan Sat Feb 02 2013, 09:40

ole Nkarei wrote:Just reading stuff that gets my blood boiling! The Boers have shot down the best chance yet to resolve the M23 Kivu conundrum a couple of days ago.

Two months of deliberate negotiations in Kampala crafted a deal that all ICGLR IGAD M23 and EAC approved.

In general terms -

- cessation of all aggressor manoeuvres by all negative forces,

- withdrawal of overt and covert Rwanda Uganda Angola European Armed Elements.

- Insertion of the Neutral Half-Brigade Mechanised Force with an integrated Air Calvary component drawn from African states without Borders to the DRC under UNSC command and mandate.

- restart under direct ICGLR /AU direction of an "all-cards-on-the-table" political process including the vested demographic interests of Rwanda in Eastern DRC.

- Rwanda Uganda Burundi DRC to sign on as participant to the conflict while Angola Tanzania South Africa to sign as guarantors of the shebang.

The intent of placing this Agreement under the UNSC ambit was a feint by EAC-IGaD to lock out SADC / South Africa out of the DRC maneno primarily because we see the Eastern DRC conflict to be more of an Demographics-derived than territorially motivated. The Boers however have pushed the view that Resolution of the Eastern DRC conflict MUST be driven by the Mutual Defence Treaty imperatives of SADCin which DRC belongs and thus as a purely territorial / sovereignty problem.

So while all African went to Addis hearts in hands to witness the signing of this negotiated Agreement, South Africa rejected it and sabotaged the whole shebang. Her objections? The Neutral Force under UNSC command and mandate rather than SADC-command and AU-mandate which the Boers demanded as an irreducible prerequisite to their agreement!

Now, anyone wants to draw projections of possuble trajectory of this madness in the short-term?

I've not lost too much sleep over the South Africans objections. To begin with, both the UN agreement and the Southe Africans agreed that all negative forces in the DRC be dealt with, the mother of all problems and the main concern of Uganda and Rwanda. Actually Ke, Ug, DRC and Rw were all set for the signing ceremony, only Burundi and Tanzania 'needed more time' to study the proposals. On the face of it, one may even be tempted to agree with the Boers' underlying objection with the UN plan - expanding an already failed MONUSCO ops with a new contingent, of supposedly White or Bangladeshi or whatever soldiers who have been accused of 'military tourism' in the past.

Make no mistake about it, we are aware of the geopolitical chess moves behind all the positions of the countries involved, especially the Boers, Angolans, our brothers Kenyans and the Tanzanians who are awakening from their play-it-safe foreign policy slumber. None of the suitors can take the bride (DRC) without assuaging her brothers (Uganda, Rwanda and Burundi). Anyone who thinks otherwise is on wild goose chase, and that's what will happen if the Boers play into Kabila's trap of treating this as a SADC mutual defence issue.

Guest Sat Feb 02 2013, 16:24

@Spartan
It appears you and I are reading Briefs from divergent foundations. Surprising really coz there is Pooled Intel siku hizi on shared Ulinzi manenos. Probably I missed something out.

Spartan Sat Feb 02 2013, 16:41

ole Nkarei wrote:@Spartan
It appears you and I are reading Briefs from divergent foundations. Surprising really coz there is Pooled Intel siku hizi on shared Ulinzi manenos. Probably I missed something out.

My info is from open sources only. You could be right. What do you think is the Boers' game plan?

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Sat Feb 02 2013, 17:06

Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:@Spartan
It appears you and I are reading Briefs from divergent foundations. Surprising really coz there is Pooled Intel siku hizi on shared Ulinzi manenos. Probably I missed something out.

My info is from open sources only. You could be right. What do you think is the Boers' game plan?

Mandiba's stand on this maneno is highly suggestive, even borderline suspicious, but hardly conclusive. Only one of us in close vicinity can spare us the "civilian-form-of-night-Ops".

Risasi Sat Feb 02 2013, 17:13

All said and done, what’s Mr Franco or Belgium’s stand? The supposedly absentee guardian to the bride.
what’s the brides stand too? she and only she has the silver bullet.
p/s ON Any news for mali zetu from The Reds-villa-office next to you hapo Lenana Rd??

ole Nkarei wrote:Just reading stuff that gets my blood boiling! The Boers have shot down the best chance yet to resolve the M23 Kivu conundrum a couple of days ago.

Two months of deliberate negotiations in Kampala crafted a deal that all ICGLR IGAD M23 and EAC approved.

In general terms -

- cessation of all aggressor manoeuvres by all negative forces,

- withdrawal of overt and covert Rwanda Uganda Angola European Armed Elements.

- Insertion of the Neutral Half-Brigade Mechanised Force with an integrated Air Calvary component drawn from African states without Borders to the DRC under UNSC command and mandate.

- restart under direct ICGLR /AU direction of an "all-cards-on-the-table" political process including the vested demographic interests of Rwanda in Eastern DRC.

- Rwanda Uganda Burundi DRC to sign on as participant to the conflict while Angola Tanzania South Africa to sign as guarantors of the shebang.

The intent of placing this Agreement under the UNSC ambit was a feint by EAC-IGaD to lock out SADC / South Africa out of the DRC maneno primarily because we see the Eastern DRC conflict to be more of an Demographics-derived than territorially motivated. The Boers however have pushed the view that Resolution of the Eastern DRC conflict MUST be driven by the Mutual Defence Treaty imperatives of SADCin which DRC belongs and thus as a purely territorial / sovereignty problem.

So while all African went to Addis hearts in hands to witness the signing of this negotiated Agreement, South Africa rejected it and sabotaged the whole shebang. Her objections? The Neutral Force under UNSC command and mandate rather than SADC-command and AU-mandate which the Boers demanded as an irreducible prerequisite to their agreement!

Now, anyone wants to draw projections of possuble trajectory of this madness in the short-term?

Guest Sat Feb 02 2013, 17:22

Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:@Spartan
It appears you and I are reading Briefs from divergent foundations. Surprising really coz there is Pooled Intel siku hizi on shared Ulinzi manenos. Probably I missed something out.

My info is from open sources only. You could be right. What do you think is the Boers' game plan?

I sifting through raw stuff off the Pool. Trying to generate factual analysis for onward consumption.

Like I opined above, the Boers were caught flat-footed by your Boss in Addis with that clever feint of the ICGLR plan. Whiile they want to re-engineer the DRC under SADC's Miilitary Intervention in Eastern DRC, we want the Boers kept out of the DRC by whatever means. So, they are demanding a SADC-commanded and SADC-Mandated NIF into Kivu so as to deal with the matter as a Territorial / Sovereignty deployment (and of course determine the direction of the ensuing political discourse in the Kivu / Ituri); we the EAC-expanded want the NIF and Political initiatives placed under the UNSC-thro-AU (like AMISOM is structured) and as far from the Boers/SADC as is permissible - we all know in the EAC that the matter is Demographics and not Territorial as Kabila postulates.

They have made their most transparent play into Kenyana with this Eastern DRC thing in Addis. We are now engaged in serious manoeuvring with the Boers. Certainly the Old Economies entrenched in south Africa are driving this boldness. Belgian and French in goose-step with their Boer cousins.

@Risasi - coming through momentarily. Timing, and the displeasure of Sammy. Before or just after installation of new CiC. Kwani kuko vipi? . Ciphers red hot. Btw - how does a sovereign State's Armed Forces with working institutions meekly hand over its vested CIC without over-throwing its Constitutional Order, eh? Someone educate me tafadhali naomba!

Sierra Kilo Sat Feb 02 2013, 20:51

ole Nkarei wrote:
Btw - how does a sovereign State's Armed Forces with working institutions meekly hand over its vested CIC without over-throwing its Constitutional Order, eh? Someone educate me tafadhali naomba!

The constitution reigns supreme and every one else Military and the president included are subjects to it. No one is above the law and therefore the president with all his titles is expected cooperate with the ICC since the rome statutes have been ratified and domesticated here. Any attempt by anyone to try to circumvent such, ultravires the constitution and if its the president he will be liable for impeachment.

Guest Sat Feb 02 2013, 21:51

Sierra Kilo wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
Btw - how does a sovereign State's Armed Forces with working institutions meekly hand over its vested CIC without over-throwing its Constitutional Order, eh? Someone educate me tafadhali naomba!

The constitution reigns supreme and every one else Military and the president included are subjects to it. No one is above the law and therefore the president with all his titles is expected cooperate with the ICC since the rome statutes have been ratified and domesticated here. Any attempt by anyone to try to circumvent such, ultravires the constitution and if its the president he will be liable for impeachment.

Thanks Bro @SK.

That philosophy is readily available of civilian political sites. On this blog I am angling for an analysis of this query in due consideration of the regimented military thinking. Without injecting too much of our divisive political shades into it. So that the Uniforms and civilians offer a view and we marinate all within the practicalities that are relevant to this matter. I am certain none of the Uniforms imagine this matter in as simplistic light as that straight-and-narrow interpretation.

Best outcome was to stop these fellows from getting on the Ballot but our civilians failed to get this simpler take done.

Clearly the CiC MUST first be constitutionally impeached before the Military surrenders him. Certainly none of the Constitutions structures including international legal jurisdiction are superlative in stature / terms. Definitely each are sworn to safeguard Constitutional Order. Absolutely certain that the Military is the last bulwark of Constitutional Safeguard.

Takers? Flying Crane Mjeshi Aggressor-one Risasi Jas Mwaura Spartan everybody? I'm blindfolded here.

Fabrizio Sat Feb 02 2013, 22:42

ole Nkarei wrote:
Sierra Kilo wrote:

The constitution reigns supreme and every one else Military and the president included are subjects to it. No one is above the law and therefore the president with all his titles is expected cooperate with the ICC since the rome statutes have been ratified and domesticated here. Any attempt by anyone to try to circumvent such, ultravires the constitution and if its the president he will be liable for impeachment.

Thanks Bro @SK.

That philosophy is readily available of civilian political sites. On this blog I am angling for an analysis of this query in due consideration of the regimented military thinking. Without injecting too much of our divisive political shades into it. So that the Uniforms and civilians offer a view and we marinate all within the practicalities that are relevant to this matter. I am certain none of the Uniforms imagine this matter in as simplistic light as that straight-and-narrow interpretation.

Best outcome was to stop these fellows from getting on the Ballot but our civilians failed to get this simpler take done.

Clearly the CiC MUST first be constitutionally impeached before the Military surrenders him. Certainly none of the Constitutions structures including international legal jurisdiction are superlative in stature / terms. Definitely each are sworn to safeguard Constitutional Order. Absolutely certain that the Military is the last bulwark of Constitutional Safeguard.

Takers? Flying Crane Mjeshi Aggressor-one Risasi Jas Mwaura Spartan everybody? I'm blindfolded here.

Ole Nkarei,

It depends first and foremost on the suspect. If they choose to voluntarily present themselves at the ICC, there is no role for the military. But suppose the police decide to hand over the suspect in case of an arrest warrant. Again that is not a big deal. And it has nothing to do with the military. Its just following the provisions of a treaty.

What if the suspect is the president? If he cooperates and voluntarily appears for trial, there is nothing to do with the military. The only problem will arise if the suspect is a president and refuses to cooperate with the ICC. You can be certain there will be an arrest warrant in this scenario. But who is going to arrest and hand him over? The police service? If the police don't hand him over then the matter is out of anyone's hands. Kenya will brace for whatever the other nations decide to do sanctions, embargo or nothing. If they hand him over, then the national assembly will have to make a decision. I don't know how the hierarchy goes. Maybe the speaker takes over after an impeachment pending fresh elections.

All in all, I do not see any role for the military. The story might pan out differently in a Ugandan analogue of events given their revolutionary tradition.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Wed Feb 06 2013, 01:43

Generally seems like this Pharaohs just slipped from the frying pan into the fire. I don't anticipate seeing them putting their house in order in the near fore-seeable future. In addition, I also don't even see an emmanating strategic threat from this fellas in the next ten years if we keep going on in the correct trend. And if we happen to overtake them by a margin of even two years, it might turn out to be our destiny in the long run.

As far as I know, we are determimed to take matters into our own hands, to manipulate our own resources, to determine our own future, to write our own history. Even the Jonnys and Sammys of this planet can attest to this by gawd!! Very Happy

:D They are hanging on the already over-loaded canoe desperately. These guys just made my day actually.

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000076661&story_=Egypt-opposition-in-muddle-over-call-to-oust-Mursi

mogen Wed Feb 06 2013, 08:40

So true. When soldiers inside one handaki squabble and start fighting amongst themselves they have lost the battle.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:Generally seems like this Pharaohs just slipped from the frying pan into the fire. I don't anticipate seeing them putting their house in order in the near fore-seeable future....

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000076661&story_=Egypt-opposition-in-muddle-over-call-to-oust-Mursi

mogen Wed Feb 06 2013, 10:03

This will have a quick deployment and withdrawal. 4000 soldiers with aerial support appear to have routed the rebels fairly quickly.
And these guys look mean and ready with their ammo.
REGIONAL DISCUSSIONS: - Page 6 French10

wrote:French-led forces have killed hundreds of Islamists in fighting to reclaim northern Mali and with the rebels' last bastion secured, France said Tuesday it will begin withdrawing its troops from March.

Defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said the 26-day military intervention had killed "several hundred" Islamist militants as its air and ground forces chased them from their northern strongholds into remote mountainous terrain in the far northeast, near the Algerian border.

The Defence Ministry said the Islamists died in French air strikes on vehicles transporting fighters and equipment, and in "direct combat in Konna and Gao", key central and northern towns.

France's sole fatality so far has been a helicopter pilot who was killed at the start of the military operation, while "two or three" soldiers have suffered light injuries, Le Drian said.

Mali said 11 of its troops were killed and 60 wounded after the battle at Konna last month but it has not since released a new death toll. Le Drian said the Malian army had taken "some prisoners, not many, who will have to answer to Malian courts and to international justice," adding that some of those detained were high-ranking militants.

France expects to begin withdrawing its soldiers from Mali "starting in March, if all goes as planned", French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told daily newspaper Metro in an interview to be published Wednesday.

Nearly 4,000 French troops are currently deployed in Mali, and the former colonial ruler is keen to hand over the operation to African troops amid warnings the Islamists could now launch a prolonged insurgency.

http://www.africareview.com//News/France-Hundreds-of-Islamist-militants-killed-in-Mali/-/979180/1686048/-/15ddc42/-/index.html?relative=true

Olekoima Wed Feb 06 2013, 19:05

Some sort of normalcy gradually returning to war-torn Somalia, why can't Somali refugees living in Kenya and elsewhere return home so as to help in rebuilding their country:-

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/somalia/articles/20130206.aspx

mogen Thu Feb 07 2013, 08:04

So this was the goal:

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/africa/France-seeks-UN-peacekeepers-as-Mali-rebels-hit-back/-/1066/1687168/-/453ccyz/-/index.html

mogen wrote:This will have a quick deployment and withdrawal. 4000 soldiers with aerial support appear to have routed the rebels fairly quickly.
And these guys look mean and ready with their ammo.

wrote:French-led forces have killed hundreds of Islamists in fighting to reclaim northern Mali and with the rebels' last bastion secured, France said Tuesday it will begin withdrawing its troops from March.

Defence minister Jean-Yves Le Drian said the 26-day military intervention had killed "several hundred" Islamist militants as its air and ground forces chased them from their northern strongholds into remote mountainous terrain in the far northeast, near the Algerian border.

The Defence Ministry said the Islamists died in French air strikes on vehicles transporting fighters and equipment, and in "direct combat in Konna and Gao", key central and northern towns.

France's sole fatality so far has been a helicopter pilot who was killed at the start of the military operation, while "two or three" soldiers have suffered light injuries, Le Drian said.

Mali said 11 of its troops were killed and 60 wounded after the battle at Konna last month but it has not since released a new death toll. Le Drian said the Malian army had taken "some prisoners, not many, who will have to answer to Malian courts and to international justice," adding that some of those detained were high-ranking militants.

France expects to begin withdrawing its soldiers from Mali "starting in March, if all goes as planned", French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius told daily newspaper Metro in an interview to be published Wednesday.

Nearly 4,000 French troops are currently deployed in Mali, and the former colonial ruler is keen to hand over the operation to African troops amid warnings the Islamists could now launch a prolonged insurgency.
http://www.africareview.com//News/France-Hundreds-of-Islamist-militants-killed-in-Mali/-/979180/1686048/-/15ddc42/-/index.html?relative=true

[url]France seeks UN peacekeepers as Mali rebels hit back[/url]

mogen Thu Feb 07 2013, 10:07

@Risasi
I can hear you loud and clear. When you have a squadron sized formation [broken into groups] coming in and out with abandon, over a period of 12hrs and no bird is nicked by the famed SAMs you must begin to question the effectiveness of those famed SAMs and their maker's claims. Ivan has very good reasons to be mad at Israel. After all, the IDF action has affected Ivan's pride and pocket. Potential buyers of those famed SAMs might pause to think.

The overall statement: Iran, here we come.

Risasi wrote:hahah don,t you get it? Mogen why the russian are upset

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jan/31/russia-condemns-israeli-strike-syria

mogen wrote:@Mchoraji
Like in the strike on a weapons depot in Sudan, the Israel intel on goings on inside Syria was pretty good. The jets entered Syrian airspace struck Hezbollah trucks carrying their weapons stockpile away to safety in Lebanon. Their usual storage facilities inside Syria are increasingly in danger.

Question is where were the Syrian SAMs?

mchoraji wrote:Israel had threatened to strike syria if the rebels got access to syria's stockpile of chemical weapons.they struck early today striking what may be a chemical weapons plant.

The Syrian army has said that Israeli jets crossed into Syria below the radar level at dawn and hit a military research centre in Jamraya, near Damascus.

"Israeli fighter jets violated our airspace at dawn today and carried out a direct strike on a scientific research centre in charge of raising our level of resistance and self-defence," the army's general command said in a statement carried by state news agency SANA on Wednesday evening.

The Israeli regime claimed earlier that it had targeted a convoy of chemical weapons in Syria.

HokumA Thu Feb 07 2013, 14:49

Russia is also laying claim to some inlands owned by Japan since 1855 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-21364559

mogen Thu Feb 07 2013, 16:24

Im fact, humanitarian services are getting better and better. We ought to have started emptying Dadaab.

Tweeting @Somalia PM says

wrote:We are pleased to note that the great progress that has been made in recent months in #Somalia has been rightly acknowledged in @UN report

Somalia: Healthcare Access Improves in Somali Areas Liberated From Al-Shabaab

wrote:Access to healthcare has improved in Somalia, with aid agencies now able to provide health services in areas previously controlled by al-Shabaab, the United Nations' IRIN news agency reported Tuesday (February 5th).

"Somalia has experienced a relatively increased humanitarian space, and this has helped aid agencies to increasingly [provide] health services to the population who were earlier inaccessible," said Omar Saleh, the UN World Health Organisation emergency co-ordinator for Somalia. "This has helped in detecting and dealing with possible disease outbreaks and putting [in place] adequate measures to control any outbreaks that might occur."

Humanitarian agencies have built eight health centres serving about 1 million people in areas liberated from al-Shabaab, and attacks on health workers have decreased, according to the UN Office for Co-ordination of Humanitarian Affairs.

Vaccination campaigns were conducted in 14 districts of southern and central Somalia between November and January for the first time in four years, inoculating more than 383,000 children under age five against polio and almost 80,000 against measles. Another campaign to provide health and nutrition services, including vaccines, reached about 275,000 children and 394,000 women in 26 districts in December.

Despite the improvements, the World Health Organisation estimates that there are about 215,000 children who remain malnourished and at risk of complications from malnutrition.

http://allafrica.com/stories/201302070069.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Olekoima wrote:Some sort of normalcy gradually returning to war-torn Somalia, why can't Somali refugees living in Kenya and elsewhere return home so as to help in rebuilding their country:-

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/somalia/articles/20130206.aspx

mogen Thu Feb 07 2013, 16:42

Are we pulling out a batallion because of the $$$$$$$$$$$ maneno?

Kenya set to withdraw Somalia battalion

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenya-set-to-withdraw-Somalia-battalion-/-/1056/1687466/-/11ta9v1/-/index.html

[quote="Cycoh 'DUDUS'"]@mogen, without going into detail,
The MOD has its own ways of carrying out activities and I would advice you not to buy the sheer myth of "Al shabaab re-surfacing for some fresh air", just because the UNSC hasn't released the funds. The dire need to keep Al shabaab's head totally buried in the sand remains 'strategically-unchallenged' to date. Believe me, the KDF can't actually loosen the strings, just not yet. For instance, i haven't over-heard ole Nkarei or Risasi expressing themselves in a "mutiny-inspired-tone" of late, due to, lets' say, lack of pay! Those funds are just, kickbacks.

[quote="mogen"]Methinks this Mali maneno has taken away funding from the AU's unfinished business in Somalia and part of the reason is that the West wanted more control here than was granted by the AU. Not good news at all given that a resurgence of an emboldened al kebab is possible.

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