Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Uzi wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:

Kobooz wrote:@ON what should we make of this mans expose? does it truly paint the true picture of how the global empire that seeks to control the world economy started?
http://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Money_and_Economics/confessions_of_an_economic_hitman.pdf

@Kabooz -  fantastic reading, although there is a commercial element that "muscles" the narration kidogo, but by and large, it IS topically factual to the dot.

But of course, our Kumbaya-my-lord singing uncle Tommish Africans since  Slavery would rather cut their fecking throats than imagine their white "massa" is culpable of such naked satanic plotting.  Jesus the Arab / African has for centuries been propagated to having been a 'White-of-white'' Anglo-saxon who somehow find Himself plunked into the midst of hordes of savage Arab / Africans in Palestine to bring them salvation.  What the feck is with Africans anyway?  Eiish!!

@Mooz - to add a little bit to what #Risasi posts here below, the truth about Westgate Mall, as i said several times here above, will probably never ALL be known by EVERYBODY. But some truth will eventually be public.  What the Truth is definitely NOT is the Western-media-spewed "truths' dong the rounds in Social Media and Formal Media.

@ON all due respect man I think religious issues should be kept out of this page for we all have different persuasions which ought to be respected. The subject at hand is whether KDF bungled the rescue operation. Evidence seems to be suggesting so and blaming the "Bazungu" doesn't take it away. A Rtd. KDF General is also of the opinion that the operation was handled clumsily. In Chai town the operation was well done and all Kenyans congratulated the KDF. Criticism of the Westgate handling should be taken positively and we learn from the blunders. Lets not turn the forum to be  one for sycophancy.

habasweyne wrote:jambo wazee, naomba kukaribishwa kwenye kikao kitukufu

enyewe this westgate maneno has hit us where it hurt most.. we were caught napping and we paid dearly and painfully for it.. what we need to do now is learn from this. and while appreciating that info might never be fully revealed by the officials, sisi kama wananchi wa kawaida cannot be blamed for trying to infer from whatever sources are available. i tend to agree with uzi above that we should call a spade a spade. if somebody messed, heads should roll. im especially pissed that there might have been some sort of rivalry between our forces, that resulted in the death of a recce man.. honestly i believe recce were more than capable enough of handling this offcourse with help from the rest of the infantry. its really not a question of whether we are capable or not, all our forces are capable, i mean even civies and reserves proved their mettle when the st hit the fan.. however the method is what is  pulling us back..  i felt kdf concent alsorated too much on the intimidation aspect of this operation yet it was more of surgical precision operation.. that recce had managed to corner the bastards i should have thought that sf would have built on that to finish the job. if anything he insertion of the sf should have been top secret catching the manyokos by suprise... the heavy military y presence while reassuring to the public  was also bound  to raise queries as the situation dragged longer..
this was a first for all of us but certainly people must take responsibility for blunders and heads must roll..

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.


@mekatilili you have stooped so low that it is shocking. you do not have to agree with other peoples opinion but respect their right to articulate what they want to say. no one should stifle you from saying what you want to say, but respect other peoples opinion even if they are wrong in your eyes. besides what is so wrong with the Kenyanna project? what would you recommend in its place? As to the Westgate issue, how would you have it been done? its not enough to complain, once in a while try and come up with a solution.

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.

countersniper wrote:The seal mission failed because the entire town is an alshabab garrison everyone  there is armed and they have been set to arm up and shoot at anyone   who appears to be approaching the  area they cant identify
 They  pretend to be civilians but they have hidden gun placements  in huts shacks and  tunnels.

Further more  it is said that the Americans  informed the Somali president about this plan to attack  more than one and a half weeks ago...so it is very much likely that someone   .. an alshabab mole leaked the information to the warlords ..who laid ambushes for the seals.
that  mission was doomed to fail.. in fact the town was set to repeat the black hawk down  incident  where they were hoping to drug dead white bodies of foreign soldiers  in the town.
Now BTW.. KDF and amisom forces
need to take this town by all means.
it is said that the westgate mission was planed and directed from here. we cannot let this go unanswered .
ALSHABAB need to be taught a lesson they will never forget.
.

mbs wrote:

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.


@mekatilili you have stooped so low that it is shocking. you do not have to agree with other peoples opinion but respect their right to articulate what they want to say. no one should stifle you from saying what you want to say, but respect other peoples opinion even if they are wrong in your eyes. besides what is so wrong with the Kenyanna project? what would you recommend in its place? As to the Westgate issue, how would you have it been done? its not enough to complain, once in a while try and come up with a solution.

mekatilili wrote:It's not the language that you have a problem with but the  facts. If you indeed had a problem with language, Ole Nkaeri would have been sanctioned about 4 days ago. What I offered up are facts and opinion and I urge you you to do the honorable thing and respect mine just as you urge me to respect other people's. 

On Westgate, what happened is beyond shameful and sadly this will be the new norm as long as the same corrupt, inept and greedy tribal cabal at the helm of the Kenyanmilitary is in place. 

mbs wrote:

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.


@mekatilili you have stooped so low that it is shocking. you do not have to agree with other peoples opinion but respect their right to articulate what they want to say. no one should stifle you from saying what you want to say, but respect other peoples opinion even if they are wrong in your eyes. besides what is so wrong with the Kenyanna project? what would you recommend in its place? As to the Westgate issue, how would you have it been done? its not enough to complain, once in a while try and come up with a solution.

countersniper wrote:Further more  it is said that the Americans  informed the Somali president about this plan to attack  more than one and a half weeks ago...so it is very much likely that someone   .. an alshabab mole leaked the information to the warlords ..who laid ambushes for the seals.
that  mission was doomed to fail.. in fact the town was set to repeat the black hawk down  incident  where they were hoping to drug dead white bodies of foreign soldiers  in the town.
Now BTW.. KDF and amisom forces
need to take this town by all means.
it is said that the westgate mission was planed and directed from here. we cannot let this go unanswered .
ALSHABAB need to be taught a lesson they will never forget.
.

mekatilili wrote:On Westgate, what happened is beyond shameful and sadly this will be the new norm as long as the same corrupt, inept and greedy tribal cabal at the helm of the Kenyanmilitary is in place. 

Analyst wrote:

If AMISOM can move a mechanized crack battalion 180-kilometers North of Magadishu successfully, then Baraawe can be hit.

Baraawe has to be hit from both sea and land besides air.

The problem is, AMISOM is not willing to spend on a Kenyan naval warship and the Kenya airforce.

The naval assets of Kenya can sail north and hit Baraawe, the airforce can conduct successful sorties on Baraawe training facilities, bases, and storage dumps, and a mechanized battalion can, after such successive hits, destroy all Baraawe defenses.

Uzi wrote:

mekatilili wrote:........oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence".

I agree may be this could be a joint effort between the Kenyan & Ugandan contingents, where Kenyans would avail air & naval assets while Ugandans provide the army component.Would be lovely to pull one such.Problem may not be AMISOM but it's funders. They would rather hamstrung such an effort by starving it of funds than see it pulled successfully.These guys have been complaining of the use of Kenyan air & naval assets in all their reports.

Al Bashir wrote:

Uzi wrote:

mekatilili wrote:........oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence".

 Kenyan Intelligence has done an excellent Job over the last couple of years. Numerous plots have been uncovered and foiled.

http://info.publicintelligence.net/KenyaShabaabFile.pdf

Daily Nation

A US government official and two think-tank analysts raised questions on Tuesday about Kenya's role in Somalia in comments to the US Senate.
"Increasing security efforts by the Kenya Defence Forces may have [aid] access implications in Kismayo and re-ignite tensions in the community," said Nancy Lindborg, assistant administrator of the US Agency for International Development.
Somalis express "great scepticism" in regard to Kenya's claim that it wants to remove its troops from Kismayo, added EJ Hogendoorn, an analyst with the International Crisis Group.
He pointed to a UN allegation that Kenyan military officers earn "large amounts of money from trade, including illegal charcoal, passing through Kismayo."
Most Somalis "believe Kenya wants to control southern Somalia because it has large oil and natural gas deposits," Mr Hogendoorn told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Abdi Aynte, director of the Mogadishu-based Heritage Institute for Policy Studies, said the US has "a moral obligation to exert pressure" on Kenya and Ethiopia to cease interfering in Somalia's internal politics.
"Their unchecked interference risks further destabilising of the country and a reversal of recent fragile gains," Mr Aynte warned. "Interference galvanises militant groups and further divides Somali communities."
Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the State Department's top Africa official, and Amanda Dory, an African affairs officer at the Pentagon, also addressed the senators, offering a positive appraisal of US policy regarding Somalia.
The US-financed African Union Mission in Somalia (Amisom) has managed to "eviscerate al-Shabaab," Ms Thomas-Greenfield said.
"Nonetheless, this Somalia-based al-Qa’ida affiliate remains a dangerous presence" in East Africa, she added, citing the Westgate attack.
"Al-Shabaab must be stopped," the assistant secretary of state for African affairs declared.
Under sharp questioning from Senator John McCain, Ms Dory declined to discuss the recent US raid on a Shabaab stronghold in Barawe, a town south of Mogadishu. She told the Republican former presidential candidate it would be inappropriate to discuss military operations in an open forum.
"The fact is, it was a failure," Senator McCain said in response, noting that US Navy SEALs had not captured the Kenyan Somali leader of Shabaab whom they had targeted in Barawe.
Andre Le Sage, a research fellow at the US National Defence University, added in his remarks to the panel that the United States should continue support for Kenya and other East African allies vulnerable to attacks by "Shabaab and its regional affiliates, including al-Hijra."

mchoraji wrote:The very things we've been discussing here.These analysts and the West believe;

1. Kenya is after establishing a strong influence in Southern Somalia to their exclusion

2. Kenya is after the wealth

The point where the US govt. is urged to reign in Kenya & Ethiopia is quite interesting. More road blocks should be expected.The uongo about charcoal sales & other such crap still being peddled.

Daily Nation

A US government official and two think-tank analysts raised questions on Tuesday about Kenya's role in Somalia in comments to the US Senate.
"Increasing security efforts by the Kenya Defence Forces may have [aid] access implications in Kismayo and re-ignite tensions in the community," said Nancy Lindborg, assistant administrator of the US Agency for International Development.
Somalis express "great scepticism" in regard to Kenya's claim that it wants to remove its troops from Kismayo, added EJ Hogendoorn, an analyst with the International Crisis Group.
He pointed to a UN allegation that Kenyan military officers earn "large amounts of money from trade, including illegal charcoal, passing through Kismayo."
Most Somalis "believe Kenya wants to control southern Somalia because it has large oil and natural gas deposits," Mr Hogendoorn told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
Abdi Aynte, director of the Mogadishu-based Heritage Institute for Policy Studies, said the US has "a moral obligation to exert pressure" on Kenya and Ethiopia to cease interfering in Somalia's internal politics.
"Their unchecked interference risks further destabilising of the country and a reversal of recent fragile gains," Mr Aynte warned. "Interference galvanises militant groups and further divides Somali communities."
Linda Thomas-Greenfield, the State Department's top Africa official, and Amanda Dory, an African affairs officer at the Pentagon, also addressed the senators, offering a positive appraisal of US policy regarding Somalia.
The US-financed African Union Mission in Somalia (Amisom) has managed to "eviscerate al-Shabaab," Ms Thomas-Greenfield said.
"Nonetheless, this Somalia-based al-Qa’ida affiliate remains a dangerous presence" in East Africa, she added, citing the Westgate attack.
"Al-Shabaab must be stopped," the assistant secretary of state for African affairs declared.
Under sharp questioning from Senator John McCain, Ms Dory declined to discuss the recent US raid on a Shabaab stronghold in Barawe, a town south of Mogadishu. She told the Republican former presidential candidate it would be inappropriate to discuss military operations in an open forum.
"The fact is, it was a failure," Senator McCain said in response, noting that US Navy SEALs had not captured the Kenyan Somali leader of Shabaab whom they had targeted in Barawe.
Andre Le Sage, a research fellow at the US National Defence University, added in his remarks to the panel that the United States should continue support for Kenya and other East African allies vulnerable to attacks by "Shabaab and its regional affiliates, including al-Hijra."

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.

jasiri wrote:

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.

A special operations force cut short its mission to capture a terror suspect in Somalia Friday in part because a group of children unexpectedly showed up, NBC reports.
The Pentagon acknowledged Monday that the U.S. attempted and failed to capture Ikrima, a Kenyan of Somali origin linked to the Somali terror organization al-Shabab.
Citing military sources, NBC says sailors from the elite Seal Team 6 snuck onto the beach, arrived at the compound and identified Ikrima before being spotted by an al-Shabab fighter. That fighter called in others and began firing, putting the special operations team under siege. The Seal Team withdrew back to the beach in part because it believed a sustained firefight would endanger a group of nearby children, according to NBC.



Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/10/07/report-navy-seals-aborted-somalian-raid-because-children-were-present/#ixzz2hD2kXHbm

proud kenyan wrote:

Al Bashir wrote:

Uzi wrote:

mekatilili wrote:........oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence".

 Kenyan Intelligence has done an excellent Job over the last couple of years. Numerous plots have been uncovered and foiled.

http://info.publicintelligence.net/KenyaShabaabFile.pdf

then it seems that they knew what the NIS was saying when they wanted some powers over investigating some terror-related intel that came their way. seriously if i got the same intel briefs from the NIS then most or all of the items passed across would have been effectively dealt with

mogen wrote: This is not good at all.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/interactive/2013/oct/04/westgate-mall-attacks-kenya-terror#undefined ]

jasiri wrote:

mekatilili wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:Ati "we have him"! You and who? Who does this "we" have?  As I wrote earlier,   the Baraare mission failed coz of weakness in Planning & Execution - not mounted by formal structured Force. The Chap nabbed by the Seals in LIBYA is one brigand called  Anas al-Libi or by his real names Nazin Abdul Hamed al Ruqai, a Libyan national - NOT Somaali. Associated with the Nairobi Embassy blast of 1998!  

You have turned into a jaded 15 year old girl, always railing and wailing against the West. If it is Abu Anas Al-Libi, we have him. Pause, and accept that fact! In the preemptive attack on Al Shabaab, 6 Navy seals took on the head of the organization that has turned Kenya into their punching back. I understand you are busy selling charcoal and ogling at emaciated women in Somalia, so you ought to be thankful that someone is looking out for the people of Kenya.

For 4 days, the republic of Kenya and the entire military was held hostage by 4 men who later on escaped unscathed! For 4 long days, your military's incompetence was streamed on hundreds of TV stations the world over. It is this fact that has enraged you. The realization that you are just another rag tag army and the weight of the oxymoron that is "Kenyan intelligence". 

I will allow you to go back to your job: dreaming up the super state, "Kenyanna", the kool aid that you have sold on this forum for over a year now.

A special operations force cut short its mission to capture a terror suspect in Somalia Friday in part because a group of children unexpectedly showed up, NBC reports.
The Pentagon acknowledged Monday that the U.S. attempted and failed to capture Ikrima, a Kenyan of Somali origin linked to the Somali terror organization al-Shabab.
Citing military sources, NBC says sailors from the elite Seal Team 6 snuck onto the beach, arrived at the compound and identified Ikrima before being spotted by an al-Shabab fighter. That fighter called in others and began firing, putting the special operations team under siege. The Seal Team withdrew back to the beach in part because it believed a sustained firefight would endanger a group of nearby children, according to NBC.



Read more: http://world.time.com/2013/10/07/report-navy-seals-aborted-somalian-raid-because-children-were-present/#ixzz2hD2kXHbm

Gallahad wrote:The allegations of looting at westgate by kdf have me worried.  If these allegations are factual, they point to a serious problem within kdf.

1. The failure of or complicity of  leadership at all levels, from junior nco to overall command.
2.  The failure of training and doctrine.
3. The loss of confidence in kdf both locally and internationally.

IMHO the fitrst two points are internal matters that kdf must deal with urgently and ruthlessly. How these are deat with will determine how soon and wholly confidence is restored and mitigate against negative effects on international partnerships.

Olekoima wrote:

Gallahad wrote:The allegations of looting at westgate by kdf have me worried.  If these allegations are factual, they point to a serious problem within kdf.

1. The failure of or complicity of  leadership at all levels, from junior nco to overall command.
2.  The failure of training and doctrine.
3. The loss of confidence in kdf both locally and internationally.

IMHO the fitrst two points are internal matters that kdf must deal with urgently and ruthlessly. How these are deat with will determine how soon and wholly confidence is restored and mitigate against negative effects on international partnerships.

The whole Westgate manenos are turning out to be quite perplexing with reports of conflicts of command protocols among the various forces and now this looting by the KDF which if true can seriously erode the respect the force has largely enjoyed among the citizens.
Having looked at the whole thing in greater detail, it would appear the dreaded GSU recce squad were more than capable to handle the whole terrorist attack on their own. Thus there was no need to bring in the KDF since there was bound to be conflict in command, it looks like precious time was lost arguing about this command issue. Obviously  we don't expect the KDF to take commands from the police.
In my view, we should deploy the KDF to thoroughly man our borders especially the troubled ones such as with Somalia and to tackle any other form of external aggression. Bringing them in to fight terrorism in places such as malls would amount to a misuse of the force in my opinion except perhaps the use of the special forces who have the training to handle this kind of thing.
One thing though is that this being the first attack of its kind in Kenyan soils, valuable lessons have been learn t which must be useful in future.

describes covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities, groups or nations than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation.

MWAURA wrote:You guys still believe the official story which is why you're following leads of the known narratives-that leads to a dead end. I know I'm in a minority of one, but I reiterate this was a false flag! This is defined as
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag

The pity is looking at all the actors,the WTC involved mall owner Frank Lowy,al Shabab,(which ,though indigenous is assisted by outside forces) the sequence of events ranging from the abnormal ammo package of the attackers and the mysterious collapse of the mall this was obviously not an operation of simple dudes whose greatest accomplishment a few months ago was bombing churches.

describes covert military or paramilitary operations designed to deceive in such a way that the operations appear as though they are being carried out by other entities, groups or nations than those who actually planned and executed them. Operations carried during peace-time by civilian organizations, as well as covert government agencies, may by extension be called false flag operations if they seek to hide the real organization behind an operation.