Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

There are some new units in KDF, especially in the army. Their vehicles have been spotted around the country and I was wondering when these new units will be presented with their colours. Anyone in the know? The last presentation of colours was by the 15 KR I think.

The units that participated in OLN should also be presented with new colours with battle honours showing on them. This would create unit pride and raise morale, come to think of it even older units like 3KR should have several battle honours having been formed before independence.

mJESHI mMOJA wrote:

GreyArea wrote:

jasiri wrote:Happy Mashujaa day men and women of the blog. We have been with some of you close to 7 years now and not a word has been said between us in anger, belittling or beratement. You are the Shujaas of this online war council.

Ahsante @jasiri, hope you had a good one.

Do you have any info as to why this vessel has not been escorted out of Kenyan waters by your namesake?

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/thecounties/article/2000138906/alarm-over-foreign-ship-near-beach

that vessel is officially conducting maritime research. the locals are worried about the eco marine environments and tourist effects.

about MBTs a friend of mine informed me that sometimes back China was looking for a playing ground either at KE or a neighboring country to demonstration ability and skills of a new MBT  meant for to potential African Armies . i am not sure if it materialized. may be thats what was spotted along KE roads  i am not sure where or whether it was done or if it ever come to materials

personally i think the Type99 MBT is a nice piece of Armour to have in your arsenal for any third world army.

Everybody looks up to the Security Agencies (NIS/KDF/CID/KPS etc) to avert/mitigate security threats, for a green light to move on with their activities. It's unashamedly their right. But , "We" don't exist, not illegally, not officially - Because the Kenyan Intelligence needs the job to be done but the Kenyan law wouldn't let it do. So, the Agencies stay small, we stay on the streets, we make stuff weather. Our sources don't come to us - We find them. We become their friends, their brothers, their fathers, their lovers before we do any harm to hostile targets. And only then we direct them at bigger targets, the higher personalities in their villainy-organisations. We take our time. We watch, we see what the intelligence of the day provides - To make the state a safer place to live in.

We live against the posturing of the Kenyan laws in order to accomplish what Humanity expects of us. These are tasks that require a lot of prayer & faith before they're undertaken.

I salute all the bloggers who have toiled for the sanctity & dignity of the forum. Someday I'll be able to justify my absence.

Thanks everybody who has been keeping this blog active. Itm means a lot to most of us especially those who tried to get into the disciplined forces but failed for one reason or the other thats not worth getting into here. I salute you all.
For those who did, I salute you

Hi good people. As a silent member who has been shadowing the goings on here since before Afmandow leave alone Kismayu take down, allow me to aver that I find the work done by our security agencies, less traffic cops, invaluable and highly comendable but humbling at the same time given how shabbily we treat them.

In the same breath, the latitude we have afforded our so called elite, both political and other decision makers in the security sector is not only horrifying but immensely undermining all good efforts geared towards securing the homeland.

we need to draw a line and reject the way the NPS is handling insecurity in this country. The goings on in Kapedo and many other places in KE need to be brought to a screeching halt. Kimaiyo needs to be put to task for putting his men in harms way without protective gear/armour while knowing only too well that the marauding gangs up north are seasoned killers!

For how long will we buy this cattle rustling crap while deep down we know that this is a well orchestrated commercial enterprise. Are a few hundred votes worth the lives and livelihoods of many more tax paying Kenyans?

Simbamundu wrote:Hi good people. As a silent member who has been shadowing the goings on here since before Afmandow leave alone Kismayu take down, allow me to aver that I find the work done by our security agencies, less traffic cops, invaluable and highly comendable but humbling at the same time given how shabbily we treat them.

In the same breath, the latitude we have afforded our so called elite, both political and other decision makers in the security sector is not only horrifying but immensely undermining all good efforts geared towards securing the homeland.

we need to draw a line and reject the way the NPS is handling insecurity in this country. The goings on in Kapedo and many other places in KE need to be brought to a screeching halt. Kimaiyo needs to be put to task for putting his men in harms way without protective gear/armour while knowing only too well that the marauding gangs up north are seasoned killers!

For how long will we buy this cattle rustling crap while deep down we know that this is a well orchestrated commercial enterprise. Are a few hundred votes worth the lives and livelihoods of many more tax paying Kenyans?

 

couldnt agree more, its an absolute no no what happened in Kapendo. After Baragoi I was expecting to hear lots of rumbling as the security orrgans move in to restore law and order. When i heard nothing, I was kind of happy coz then i thought maybe the covert issues in security are finally covert. It seems people just closed their eyes and wished and prayed the curse would go away.
Exorcism 101, you at least have to go to the witchdoctor to get the curse lifted.
If I may kindly ask Cyco Dudus and if there are members of the police force, what is happening?
I think this is not a knee jerk thing that they decide lets go kill cops, even in mexico they dont do that. These are the same guys that shot a Provincial commisoner (right?)
is it that the land is ungovernable? If we can carve out part of somalia and cant control a fucking district, what does that say about us?

in lieu with the above post,
Seems am missing a bigger picture here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/State-blames-MRC-for-attacks-in-barracks-AP-camp/-/1056/2507940/-/br62adz/-/index.html

Cycoh 'Dudus' wrote:Because the Kenyan Intelligence needs the job to be done but the Kenyan law wouldn't let it do.

kimiti wrote:

Simbamundu wrote:Hi good people. As a silent member who has been shadowing the goings on here since before Afmandow leave alone Kismayu take down, allow me to aver that I find the work done by our security agencies, less traffic cops, invaluable and highly comendable but humbling at the same time given how shabbily we treat them.

In the same breath, the latitude we have afforded our so called elite, both political and other decision makers in the security sector is not only horrifying but immensely undermining all good efforts geared towards securing the homeland.

we need to draw a line and reject the way the NPS is handling insecurity in this country. The goings on in Kapedo and many other places in KE need to be brought to a screeching halt. Kimaiyo needs to be put to task for putting his men in harms way without protective gear/armour while knowing only too well that the marauding gangs up north are seasoned killers!

For how long will we buy this cattle rustling crap while deep down we know that this is a well orchestrated commercial enterprise. Are a few hundred votes worth the lives and livelihoods of many more tax paying Kenyans?

 

couldnt agree more, its an absolute no no what happened in Kapendo. After Baragoi I was expecting to hear lots of rumbling as the security orrgans move in to restore law and order. When i heard nothing, I was kind of happy coz then i thought maybe the covert issues in security are finally covert. It seems people just closed their eyes and wished and prayed the curse would go away.
Exorcism 101, you at least have to go to the witchdoctor to get the curse lifted.
If I may kindly ask Cyco Dudus and if there are members of the police force, what is happening?
I think this is not a knee jerk thing that they decide lets go kill cops, even in mexico they dont do that. These are the same guys that shot a Provincial commisoner (right?)
is it that the land is ungovernable? If we can carve out part of somalia and cant control a fucking district, what does that say about us?

The problem in Kenya is what has been highlighted by our resident spook. In Somalia the job got done because there was no posturing from the 'Evil' society, Human rights groups, religious groups, political parties (the worst of the legion of evils) and foreign nations. In Kenya, a simple raid by anti-terror units to arrest a terror suspect leads to protest and noise from hundreds of groups! 

I grew up in an area of Coast province that has been a hotspot for secessionist politics. Kayabombo clashes, MRC and some funny groups in between. In fact, one of the MRC spokespersons comes from that area. They are known but they can't be arrested. Why? MUHURI and some political party makes it hell for the cops to do that. 4 days ago, this same group tried to attack the local police station but were repulsed (Cycoh im sure unajua hio). Now, they target an AP camp and a military base in probably on of the most stupid attacks of our times. Were they probing? were they sending a statement? Furthermore, isn't it it funny that the attack happen barely two days after the President warns that foreign nations are scheming to derail Kenya?

All i know is, there's more to this than meets the eye but the government shall surely respond to this in a very interesting way.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:Everybody looks up to the Security Agencies (NIS/KDF/CID/KPS etc) to avert/mitigate  security threats, for  a green light to move on with their activities. It's unashamedly their right. But , "We"  don't exist, not illegally, not officially - Because the Kenyan Intelligence needs the job to be done but the Kenyan law wouldn't let it do. So, the Agencies stay small, we stay on the streets, we make stuff weather. Our sources don't come to us - We find them. We become their friends, their brothers, their fathers, their lovers before we do any harm to hostile targets. And only then we direct them at bigger targets, the higher personalities in their villainy-organisations. We take our time. We watch, we see what the intelligence of the day provides - To make the state a safer place to live in.

We live against the posturing of the Kenyan laws in order to accomplish what Humanity expects of us. These are tasks that require a lot of prayer & faith before they're undertaken.

I salute all the bloggers who have toiled for the sanctity & dignity of the forum. Someday I'll be able to justify my absence.

Karibu nyumbani.

kimiti wrote:

Simbamundu wrote:Hi good people. As a silent member who has been shadowing the goings on here since before Afmandow leave alone Kismayu take down, allow me to aver that I find the work done by our security agencies, less traffic cops, invaluable and highly comendable but humbling at the same time given how shabbily we treat them.

In the same breath, the latitude we have afforded our so called elite, both political and other decision makers in the security sector is not only horrifying but immensely undermining all good efforts geared towards securing the homeland.

we need to draw a line and reject the way the NPS is handling insecurity in this country. The goings on in Kapedo and many other places in KE need to be brought to a screeching halt. Kimaiyo needs to be put to task for putting his men in harms way without protective gear/armour while knowing only too well that the marauding gangs up north are seasoned killers!

For how long will we buy this cattle rustling crap while deep down we know that this is a well orchestrated commercial enterprise. Are a few hundred votes worth the lives and livelihoods of many more tax paying Kenyans?

 

couldnt agree more, its an absolute no no what happened in Kapendo. After Baragoi I was expecting to hear lots of rumbling as the security orrgans move in to restore law and order. When i heard nothing, I was kind of happy coz then i thought maybe the covert issues in security are finally covert. It seems people just closed their eyes and wished and prayed the curse would go away.
Exorcism 101, you at least have to go to the witchdoctor to get the curse lifted.
If I may kindly ask Cyco Dudus and if there are members of the police force, what is happening?
I think this is not a knee jerk thing that they decide lets go kill cops, even in mexico they dont do that. These are the same guys that shot a Provincial commisoner (right?)
is it that the land is ungovernable? If we can carve out part of somalia and cant control a fucking district, what does that say about us?

The whole issue needs to be looked at and approached in a very sober manner because of the tenacity of more suffering being inflicted on innocent civil population.

Questions to ponder about
- Why did the regular police use or had Turkana KPRs in the convoy depite the fact that the area is within the disputed boundary between Pokots and Turkanas.
- Why even have KPRs whether from Pokot or Turkana in an area that is well known as a security hotspot.
- Are there any SOPs in the police service how are the officers supposed to react/ act in face of an OP (It seems that there was an intelligence brief of an ambush and that is why a whole truckload of officers was despatched to provide security to the Toyota Kenya Technicians).
- From the news reports, the attack lasted a whole five hours, was there any communication between the officers being attacked back to base or to regional or HQ.






There are so many shortcomings in the way our Police force is dealing with the welfare of the officers in remote locations. It is unacceptable that there was no armor or  communications equipment (radio or satcoms) provided for the slain officers.
Its time heads roll at both Vigilance house and Jogoo house.

jasiri wrote:

Cycoh 'Dudus' wrote:Because the Kenyan Intelligence needs the job to be done but the Kenyan law wouldn't let it do.

kimiti wrote:

Simbamundu wrote:Hi good people. As a silent member who has been shadowing the goings on here since before Afmandow leave alone Kismayu take down, allow me to aver that I find the work done by our security agencies, less traffic cops, invaluable and highly comendable but humbling at the same time given how shabbily we treat them.

In the same breath, the latitude we have afforded our so called elite, both political and other decision makers in the security sector is not only horrifying but immensely undermining all good efforts geared towards securing the homeland.

we need to draw a line and reject the way the NPS is handling insecurity in this country. The goings on in Kapedo and many other places in KE need to be brought to a screeching halt. Kimaiyo needs to be put to task for putting his men in harms way without protective gear/armour while knowing only too well that the marauding gangs up north are seasoned killers!

For how long will we buy this cattle rustling crap while deep down we know that this is a well orchestrated commercial enterprise. Are a few hundred votes worth the lives and livelihoods of many more tax paying Kenyans?

 

couldnt agree more, its an absolute no no what happened in Kapendo. After Baragoi I was expecting to hear lots of rumbling as the security orrgans move in to restore law and order. When i heard nothing, I was kind of happy coz then i thought maybe the covert issues in security are finally covert. It seems people just closed their eyes and wished and prayed the curse would go away.
Exorcism 101, you at least have to go to the witchdoctor to get the curse lifted.
If I may kindly ask Cyco Dudus and if there are members of the police force, what is happening?
I think this is not a knee jerk thing that they decide lets go kill cops, even in mexico they dont do that. These are the same guys that shot a Provincial commisoner (right?)
is it that the land is ungovernable? If we can carve out part of somalia and cant control a fucking district, what does that say about us?

The problem in Kenya is what has been highlighted by our resident spook. In Somalia the job got done because there was no posturing from the 'Evil' society, Human rights groups, religious groups, political parties (the worst of the legion of evils) and foreign nations. In Kenya, a simple raid by anti-terror units to arrest a terror suspect leads to protest and noise from hundreds of groups! 

I grew up in an area of Coast province that has been a hotspot for secessionist politics. Kayabombo clashes, MRC and some funny groups in between. In fact, one of the MRC spokespersons comes from that area. They are known but they can't be arrested. Why? MUHURI and some political party makes it hell for the cops to do that. 4 days ago, this same group tried to attack the local police station but were repulsed (Cycoh im sure unajua hio). Now, they target an AP camp and a military base in probably on of the most stupid attacks of our times. Were they probing? were they sending a statement? Furthermore, isn't it it funny that the attack happen barely two days after the President warns that foreign nations are scheming to derail Kenya?

All i know is, there's more to this than meets the eye but the government shall surely respond to this in a very interesting way.

There is no way MRC/AS can be so boldly stupid as to attack a heavily fortified military barracks.
Is there more to this that KN is not telling us? AS attacks with guns and grenades not machetes and clubs.

Sierra Kilo wrote:
- Why did the regular police use or had Turkana KPRs in the convoy depite the fact that the area is within the disputed boundary between Pokots and Turkanas.
- Why even have KPRs whether from Pokot or Turkana in an area that is well known as a security hotspot.
- Are there any SOPs in the police service how are the officers supposed to react/ act in face of an OP (It seems that there was an intelligence brief of an ambush and that is why a whole truckload of officers was despatched to provide security to the Toyota Kenya Technicians).
- From the news reports, the attack lasted a whole five hours, was there any communication between the officers being attacked back to base or to regional or HQ.

There are so many shortcomings in the way our Police force is dealing with the welfare of the officers in remote locations. It is unacceptable that there was no armor or  communications equipment (radio or satcoms) provided for the slain officers.
Its time heads roll at both Vigilance house and Jogoo house.

Why do we even have Turkana and Pokot territories?
We treat these people as if they live in a semi-autonomous state.
What happened to the talks of having a miltary base over there?
there is so much wealth in that region that these elements need to be ironed out. Its odd that its the new mineral rich areas that are at arms.
If we cant control these, what happens when there is oil in Nyanza, most likely they will ask to secede, What happens to the Ilemi triangle now that after 2010 its officially Kenyan (According to us) if the S. Sudans come calling? What happens to the waters these ungrateful ingrates want? do we just hand over to them and pretend we were just having a bath?
My point is, we must come hard and really hard on them. Ili iwe funzo kwa wale wanataka kuleta fujo kwetu.
next we will be hearing of Kaka Brasa demanding the Mara.

BTW guys,
Thanks for being in the forum. We all need it. Just by reading it I feel as if am contributing to the security issue.

jasiri wrote:

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:Everybody looks up to the Security Agencies (NIS/KDF/CID/KPS etc) to avert/mitigate  security threats, for  a green light to move on with their activities. It's unashamedly their right. But , "We"  don't exist, not illegally, not officially - Because the Kenyan Intelligence needs the job to be done but the Kenyan law wouldn't let it do. So, the Agencies stay small, we stay on the streets, we make stuff weather. Our sources don't come to us - We find them. We become their friends, their brothers, their fathers, their lovers before we do any harm to hostile targets. And only then we direct them at bigger targets, the higher personalities in their villainy-organisations. We take our time. We watch, we see what the intelligence of the day provides - To make the state a safer place to live in.

We live against the posturing of the Kenyan laws in order to accomplish what Humanity expects of us. These are tasks that require a lot of prayer & faith before they're undertaken.

I salute all the bloggers who have toiled for the sanctity & dignity of the forum. Someday I'll be able to justify my absence.

Karibu nyumbani.

Nothing was more scaring than the Kaya Bombo crashes. Our country was certainly falling apart. Never before our beautiful coastline got such nasty that wabara na wa coast became so fractured. I visually witnessed whole trip and offered professional advise. My sadness is that our political class does not care about National unity, but tribal unity subdivided into clanism.
Several plans/attempts to attack Nyali and Mtongwe were intercepted thwarted from the nip. Mariakani was not that of a target though. Actually Kaya Bombo threat lead to the creation of IS group with KN and revitalized IS training within KN. All barracks were fortified and many things were improved. More than a decade since kaya bombo uprising, we see the first real attack on Nyali. Certainly, security agents new of the impending attack and if so, it was clever to let them chokoza nyuki.
If political leadership does not focus on national unity, this problem has the potential to bring coast province down.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:. But , "We"  don't exist, not illegally, not officially . So, the Agencies stay small, we stay on the streets, we make stuff weather. Our sources don't come to us - We find them. We become their friends, their brothers, their fathers, their lovers before we do any harm to hostile targets. And only then we direct them at bigger targets, the higher personalities in their villainy-organisations. We take our time. We watch, we see what the intelligence of the day provides - To make the state a safer place to live in.

Saw that movie last night. Great story and I think it does reflect the what happens in the war against terror

Simbamundu wrote:Hi good people. As a silent member who has been shadowing the goings on here since before Afmandow leave alone Kismayu take down, allow me to aver that I find the work done by our security agencies, less traffic cops, invaluable and highly comendable but humbling at the same time given how shabbily we treat them.

In the same breath, the latitude we have afforded our so called elite, both political and other decision makers in the security sector is not only horrifying but immensely undermining all good efforts geared towards securing the homeland.

we need to draw a line and reject the way the NPS is handling insecurity in this country. The goings on in Kapedo and many other places in KE need to be brought to a screeching halt. Kimaiyo needs to be put to task for putting his men in harms way without protective gear/armour while knowing only too well that the marauding gangs up north are seasoned killers!

For how long will we buy this cattle rustling crap while deep down we know that this is a well orchestrated commercial enterprise. Are a few hundred votes worth the lives and livelihoods of many more tax paying Kenyans?

kimiti wrote:in lieu with the above post,
Seems am missing a bigger picture here.

http://www.nation.co.ke/news/State-blames-MRC-for-attacks-in-barracks-AP-camp/-/1056/2507940/-/br62adz/-/index.html

Thanks Jasiri for the welcome.
@Simbamundu, The security mishaps witnessed in the country in the last few days draw no sympathy from me. My pre-assumed retributtal talk against those occurrences wouldn't even qualify for a thinly veiled bigotry.

Everybody is innocent until proved guilty and the same can be applied to some of these security Agencies. It's not my profession to stand behind or to defend the Agencies. I vividly state/ quote the applausible operations or the varbally-pampered inefficiencies which come in handy with them.

@Mambotupu, I to a great extent admire the German intelligence & we learn a lot from them. Their operations don't obscure the law & they pretty get their stuff done. It's the novel I have read. I'd advise you to get your hands on the novel. Great lessons.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:

@Simbamundu, The security mishaps witnessed in the country in the last few days draw no sympathy  from me. My pre-assumed retributtal talk against those occurrences wouldn't even qualify for a thinly veiled bigotry.

It is so frustrating sometimes it feels like we have no towering security objective as a country.

Our society has progressed to a point where the sight of a gun wielding and uniformed security official is no deterrence.

I would venture that it is high time we took crime busting underground away from the prying eyes of the media and the "evil society".

The Nyali manenos feels to me like "someone" was testing his level of preparedness/alertness....not entirely unreasonable, don't you think @Cycoh 'DUDUS'?

personally i smell a rat.  or am thinking to fast ?? eeehh. if not the raiders were the naive  of the naivest lot and had no clue what battalion is hosted at nyali or was some trying to test a response time.

those graphic pictures circulating in social medias depicts l trained classic Head shots from a low recoil battle rifle buddies reminding himself of watermelon target shooting . if not that boy was good in his fire arm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGRQQtpWEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOvJUdJlkNk

The main problem is an ineffective police force. Will KDF have to do their job for them or bail them out whenever cattle rustlers strike?

IMO The brains behind the attack are still at large which only means they will be a next time, they will try to adapt and improve. Most likely they will now try to buy arms from Somalia.

Risasi wrote:personally i smell a rat.  or am thinking to fast ?? eeehh. if not the raiders were the naive  of the naivest lot and had no clue what battalion is hosted at nyali or was some trying to test a response time.

those graphic pictures circulating in social medias depicts l trained classic Head shots from a low recoil battle rifle buddies reminding himself of watermelon target shooting . if not that boy was good in his fire arm.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IJGRQQtpWEg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOvJUdJlkNk

This clearly shows how mis-informed and complete impregnation with bad ideas these young men are fed with. Whole intent should not have to be in any ones mind. The young men need to learn how to utilize their lives better than this attempted lunacy. Coast Province politicians and religious leaders should come forward to educate these young men to do better than these oathings in kaya bombo, kaya waa and other forests. Coast leaders should diffuse this tension once and for all guys. They should speak or else there will be another attempt with similar results.

@ Risasi, is that 45 version or 17S? Those toys are expensive bro ($3k) and only select units use them here at Uncle Sams. Both versions are the best in the World. 7.62 with effective kill range of 600m is best way to go....stand off range. Am glad to see those mean guys dancing with it.

MY CONDOLENCE FOR THE LOSS OF OUR BRILLIANT LAW ABIDING RANGER IN SUCH CRUDE MANNER. May Almighty God rest HIS soul in Eternal Peace.

@Sidai Special Combat Assault rifle -Heavy , SCAR-H aka Mk17. (7.62mm)haven,t got hold of one but i hear it as smooth as a feather.  a sister smaller version also exists  MK16 (5.56mm)  not doing well in the international market as i have meant to learn. another rifle worth  considering which  gives the FN SCAR-H a run for its price is the Magpul Masada ACR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E623_4bDAwE&spfreload=1

Risasi wrote:@Sidai Special Combat Assault rifle -Heavy , SCAR-H aka Mk17. (7.62mm)haven,t got hold of one but i hear it as smooth as a feather.  a sister smaller version also exists  MK16 (5.56mm)  not doing well in the international market as i have meant to learn. another rifle worth  considering which  gives the FN SCAR-H a run for its price is the Magpul Masada ACR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E623_4bDAwE&spfreload=1

 Scar is the 45 version. It is much better than the newer 17 series. In 2000 and part of 2001, my team had the chance to test FN 31 versions at Stony Athi. They wiped off R4, SAR, HK, AK series off the beat. FN 31 was later fine tuned to produce 45/scar-H and 17. And knowing that Ngano project was the brain child of FN mothers, am not surprised of it as the primary toy. It should be embraced at any cost.
The 5.56 version is not going anywhere! Even hunters around here despise that caliber. AK series in the region use that caliber but the advantage of quick rapid fire, portability, easy to handle is all wiped out by FN. Add 7.62 mike mike on it and high cyclic rate, accuracy and kill rate! Halafu...add on a well trained handler into the mix!....ask the 7 guys if they can ever tell the tale. Am sure it was easy pick for those battle hardened mean boys.
In my free time, testing those toys is still my hobby.
Quite frankly, my prayer is for peace on that wonderful region. We need it.

hii maneno ya Rangers and special forces confuses me ..anyone in the  know what the differences (operational)?

I hope KDF does not buy this jet

Ole Sidai wrote:

Risasi wrote:@Sidai Special Combat Assault rifle -Heavy , SCAR-H aka Mk17. (7.62mm)haven,t got hold of one but i hear it as smooth as a feather.  a sister smaller version also exists  MK16 (5.56mm)  not doing well in the international market as i have meant to learn. another rifle worth  considering which  gives the FN SCAR-H a run for its price is the Magpul Masada ACR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E623_4bDAwE&spfreload=1

 Scar is the 45 version. It is much better than the newer 17 series. In 2000 and part of 2001, my team had the chance to test FN 31 versions at Stony Athi. They wiped off R4, SAR, HK, AK series off the beat. FN 31 was later fine tuned to produce 45/scar-H and 17. And knowing that Ngano project was the brain child of FN mothers, am not surprised of it as the primary toy. It should be embraced at any cost.
The 5.56 version is not going anywhere! Even hunters around here despise that caliber. AK series in the region use that caliber but the advantage of quick rapid fire, portability, easy to handle is all wiped out by FN. Add 7.62 mike mike on it and high cyclic rate, accuracy and kill rate! Halafu...add on a well trained handler into the mix!....ask the 7 guys if they can ever tell the tale. Am sure it was easy pick for those battle hardened mean boys.
In my free time, testing those toys is still my hobby.
Quite frankly, my prayer is for peace on that wonderful region. We need it.

might have got my info all mixed up in this Land forces maneno ..but you were those guys i can bet

deconstructor wrote:I hope KDF does not buy this jet

  not for KE any sooner but what wrong with it?

Risasi wrote:

Ole Sidai wrote:

Risasi wrote:@Sidai Special Combat Assault rifle -Heavy , SCAR-H aka Mk17. (7.62mm)haven,t got hold of one but i hear it as smooth as a feather.  a sister smaller version also exists  MK16 (5.56mm)  not doing well in the international market as i have meant to learn. another rifle worth  considering which  gives the FN SCAR-H a run for its price is the Magpul Masada ACR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E623_4bDAwE&spfreload=1

 Scar is the 45 version. It is much better than the newer 17 series. In 2000 and part of 2001, my team had the chance to test FN 31 versions at Stony Athi. They wiped off R4, SAR, HK, AK series off the beat. FN 31 was later fine tuned to produce 45/scar-H and 17. And knowing that Ngano project was the brain child of FN mothers, am not surprised of it as the primary toy. It should be embraced at any cost.
The 5.56 version is not going anywhere! Even hunters around here despise that caliber. AK series in the region use that caliber but the advantage of quick rapid fire, portability, easy to handle is all wiped out by FN. Add 7.62 mike mike on it and high cyclic rate, accuracy and kill rate! Halafu...add on a well trained handler into the mix!....ask the 7 guys if they can ever tell the tale. Am sure it was easy pick for those battle hardened mean boys.
In my free time, testing those toys is still my hobby.
Quite frankly, my prayer is for peace on that wonderful region. We need it.

might have got my info all mixed up in this Land forces maneno ..but you were those guys i can bet

deconstructor wrote:I hope KDF does not buy this jet

  not for KE any sooner but what wrong with it?

@ Risasi, we learn new things and ideas bro. Thank you for making me aware of the Scar 16S (5.56mm). That points to another weekend of twas twas... I knew of 45 and the new boy 17S (7.62mm) who seems to have tasted chai and lately those little misconceived young men. Not sure what felled down the world no 1 wanted man but those mean boys tot them too (45 and 17).
And yes my boots did 3 different corps.....straight up from Ken batt 1 if you ever remember when that was. My blood boils for action.....
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Lets observe a quiet moment in memory of our comrades that were felled by bandits in Kapedo and while at it reflect deeply on how to mitigate such from befalling on us in the future

Sierra Kilo wrote:Lets observe a quiet moment in memory of our comrades that were felled by bandits in Kapedo and while at it reflect deeply on how to mitigate such from befalling on us in the future

RIP,this administration just like the other has put the cart before the donkey on police issues while our military is well kitted.Police just dont just need new landcruiser pickups and Hino trucks for but also armored versions too.


Even some old EX-SA Casspir APCs will suit the NEP terrain perfectly.Yet again we lose officers and the attacks get bolder whats next probably take out an entire police camp or overun a divisional/provincial hq. Turkana and Pokot are Kenyans but when they go on rampage i think KDF needs to properly sober them up

i thought what happen in Mombasa was perpetrated by local militias? thats not so in the middle east as Muslims and Arabs have to be demonized. its called the power of international media and regional super powers. Kudos to the chosen tribe

http://www.timesofisrael.com/kenyan-army-repels-machete-attack-by-suspected-islamists/

Risasi wrote:

Ole Sidai wrote:

Risasi wrote:@Sidai Special Combat Assault rifle -Heavy , SCAR-H aka Mk17. (7.62mm)haven,t got hold of one but i hear it as smooth as a feather.  a sister smaller version also exists  MK16 (5.56mm)  not doing well in the international market as i have meant to learn. another rifle worth  considering which  gives the FN SCAR-H a run for its price is the Magpul Masada ACR.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E623_4bDAwE&spfreload=1

 Scar is the 45 version. It is much better than the newer 17 series. In 2000 and part of 2001, my team had the chance to test FN 31 versions at Stony Athi. They wiped off R4, SAR, HK, AK series off the beat. FN 31 was later fine tuned to produce 45/scar-H and 17. And knowing that Ngano project was the brain child of FN mothers, am not surprised of it as the primary toy. It should be embraced at any cost.
The 5.56 version is not going anywhere! Even hunters around here despise that caliber. AK series in the region use that caliber but the advantage of quick rapid fire, portability, easy to handle is all wiped out by FN. Add 7.62 mike mike on it and high cyclic rate, accuracy and kill rate! Halafu...add on a well trained handler into the mix!....ask the 7 guys if they can ever tell the tale. Am sure it was easy pick for those battle hardened mean boys.
In my free time, testing those toys is still my hobby.
Quite frankly, my prayer is for peace on that wonderful region. We need it.

might have got my info all mixed up in this Land forces maneno ..but you were those guys i can bet

deconstructor wrote:I hope KDF does not buy this jet

  not for KE any sooner but what wrong with it?

Comrade Risasi my main issue with this plane is its limited flight envelope as compared to other probable replacements of the F5. Considering that there is a acquisition trend eastward the J10 might be a better candidate, it would hold its own against an Su30Mk2