Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

kimiti Mon Mar 10 2014, 12:53

Always wondered what that chap was doing with his equity bank card as if kuna equity huko Som.

jasiri Mon Mar 10 2014, 14:40

kimiti wrote:Always wondered what that chap was doing with his equity bank card as if kuna equity huko Som.

As we go thought the script let’s avoid in getting emotional and personally identifying or mentioning similar scenarios or incident that seem familiar or might have heard on social media networks , so let’s keep it as if it were a T.E.A discussion a “normal” forum discussion.

Kobooz Mon Mar 10 2014, 19:28

jasiri wrote:

The thing is where do you get the body from? It probably has to be a genuine KDF body.
Can't be a genuine KDF body. You do not throw away your warriors mister. Lets not get to where we get the body coz Amnesty Int might just jump on us hehehe...Ole Nkarei i can smell you

It won't be too hard for soldiers to get a dead body!!!

proud kenyan Mon Mar 10 2014, 21:04

The use of information warfare channels is also important,sell the story like the whole mission depended on it (it does anyway). information of the possible KIA's importance to the mission should be of utmost priority, to be backed up by the insignia discovered on him. The baiting of the enemy would have to take place for sometime and over some fire exchanges. That one win by the enemy should be extremely important for their egos,such that even the most obvious of discrepancies would be shrugged off by all and sundry.
Our morgues are filled with unclaimed bodies(RIP to them all), getting one that fills the KDF template should not be difficult. care should also be taken to avoid identification by a possible relative on media released by the enemy for propaganda purposes. coming up with identification cards and other pointers would also not be hard,if information channels were used to good effect the discrepancies would not be checked out.

kimiti Tue Mar 11 2014, 00:58

Care must be taken to ensure that rigor mortis doesn't set in if the body is to be "discovered" fresh after a firefight.

Flying Crane Tue Mar 11 2014, 06:23

I will go with P.kenyan we got a lot of unclaimed bodies in our morgues ....I will give him a cellphone to authenticate his life. everyone has one

Risasi Tue Mar 11 2014, 07:19

I see some bloggers standing in the sideline afraid to be proved wrong??? Hahaha join in folks or the jokes on you.

Let’s not get emotional we are in a public domain, a lot of persons are watching and reading some good and some not so friendly...

Risasi Tue Mar 11 2014, 07:20

We are all in the right track gentlemen and you made it clear that John Doe needs documents i.e money (local & USD), wallets, ATM card, iD card …..Excellent suggestions.

Risasi Tue Mar 11 2014, 07:23

The game isn,t over. Your proposals have made your day at the desk more difficult. You need to authenticate those personal artifacts. Your suggestions are easier said . Is it so easy to forge all those documents without involving 3rd parties outside this room? i.e ATM card should have a name not so? Are you willing to gamble with a bank to make a fake ATM card? A wallet in most cases has at least 2 or 3 business card. I mean simple pull out your wallets and see what’s in its fill. Can you duplicate them without compromising the mission? Or should just we leave the whole issue of John Doe’s wallet and personal artifact?
Jasiri, kimiti . sisal clarify your above directions. ASP

2nd
How do we present that top secret information that john doe is carrying???? in a briefcase or box file full of documents stamped TOP SECRET in red next the body??? How do we present that info. To our enemy?

3rd
Have could you forget this???? we need a dead body for Christ sake..to decorate it with the above….come on guys how could you overlook that. very very bad, on you planners....
good suggestions @ proud Kenyan and flying crane. put in mind the body should be in athletic and fit structure that duplicates a KDF/soilder personnel. any proposal where we can get one Very Happy

?? or should we use one of ours as the lab rat?

Or is this a mission impossible , and we should therefore terminate it and go back to fight the conventional way??? yap lets give it a fair evaluation if its impossible lets call it so and call off
gooday laddies
Laughing

Risasi Tue Mar 11 2014, 07:43

kimiti wrote:Care must be taken to ensure that rigor mortis doesn't set in if the body is to be "discovered" fresh after a firefight.

I think we don't have the ability to decide when the body will be found it could be a week or immediately after the encounter. it all depends on the effort and zeal they set up after the fight. to catalyse there efforts our rescue choppers will buzzing up and down frantically i.e selling the KIA or MIA story covertly and vividly as one blogger suggested only then would we provoke an intensive counter search from the enemy side atleast. it is also a good time to insert John doe in the fields ,we can,t have our boys walking about with a 80kg corpse to a the battle ground... Very Happy

SS Jamuhuri Tue Mar 11 2014, 10:13

Greetings....i thnk the body should cm frm the morgue...however, the TOD of should be arnd 1-2 hrs...and the preppn n insertion should be within 5hrs...I also thnk the body should hv an NCO rank...my 2 piece

SS Jamuhuri Tue Mar 11 2014, 10:19

on the intelligence, plant a digital camera with that information...photos of bridges, n locations n all....plus plant a map on him with markings of the said sites..

Risasi Wed Mar 12 2014, 07:12

SS Jamuhuri wrote:on the intelligence, plant a digital camera with that information...photos of bridges, n locations n all....plus plant a map on him with markings of the said sites..

couldn,t have said it better , a digital cam, a map scribed in pencil with direction arrows , asterisk stars and military abbreviation

Risasi Wed Mar 12 2014, 07:21

so here is what we have .
an unclaimed body from a morgue, athletic and clean shaved ,bullet ridden in 5.56mm AK rounds
dressed In military fatigues
a digital cam
a standard military map with inscriptions, markings etc
a wallet (yes we can duplicate most items in a wallet Laughing

as long as there no specifics, business card, a few atms cards, KSH and USD)
a military dog tag chain
a cellphone (proposed by the one Mr Crane)

are we set ? can we procedure?

Laughing

Gallahad Wed Mar 12 2014, 08:38

A note book, pen/pencil.

Question. Does AS use the 5.56 calibre AK or 7.62?

Please proceed @Risasi.

kimiti Wed Mar 12 2014, 11:34

Ideal if he is of a descent that is acceptable to do recon activities i.e you can't send a guy from luo who doesn't know the local dialect. Not ideal for information gathering.

mchoraji Wed Mar 12 2014, 12:38

kimiti wrote:Ideal if he is of a descent that is acceptable to do recon activities i.e you can't send a guy from luo who doesn't know the local dialect. Not ideal for information gathering.

I also think we've mixed things up.if he was just gathering intelligence before an attack, one would expect someone of a similar extraction as the local community who looks just like them, speaks their language & can easily bled un-noticed.However, we had said this guy would be in a KDF party that gets into a fire-fight with the enemy & apparently one is felled & his colleagues are ''over-run'' hence leave without him.If we include too much stuff, the brigands if they have sharp minds will see it's too good to be true.The map with possible targets, a mobile phone, military ID, money yes.ATM cards, digital cam....would be going a little over-board

kimiti Wed Mar 12 2014, 13:37

Just my 2 cents. Not the gospel truth. The real puzzle is, how do you delay rigor mortis if he is to be discovered after a firefight

Flying Crane Wed Mar 12 2014, 16:08

Gallahad wrote:A note book, pen/pencil.

Question. Does AS use the 5.56 calibre AK or 7.62?

Please proceed @Risasi.

7.62 I know that like yesterday Very Happy

risasi how could you not know your family members? the bullet clan Twisted Evil

Flying Crane Wed Mar 12 2014, 16:16

kimiti wrote:Ideal if he is of a descent that is acceptable to do recon activities i.e you can't send a guy from luo who doesn't know the local dialect. Not ideal for information gathering.

in UG and I would also expect the same across the border, the military is made of mixed ethnicity therefore the body could be from any ethnicity unless its that of an interpreter, and they would need one if they are planning to have contact/talk to the area locals. a high recce ops would involve well trained soldiers and those could be from any ethnicity trained in the art of specialised reccon.

Balozi Wed Mar 12 2014, 16:25

kimiti wrote:Just my 2 cents. Not the gospel truth. The real puzzle is, how do you delay rigor mortis if he is to be discovered after a firefight

It can be done through those mortuary chemicals just before placing that body in the field. and when its start rigor mortis after insertion that would be inline with the cause of nature no so?

Flying Crane Wed Mar 12 2014, 16:32

Balozi wrote:
kimiti wrote:Just my 2 cents. Not the gospel truth. The real puzzle is, how do you delay rigor mortis if he is to be discovered after a firefight

It can be done through those mortuary chemicals just before placing that body in the field. and when its start rigor mortis after insertion that would be inline with the cause of nature no so?

or simple refrigeration untill deployment... what wrong with you fellas

Olekoima Wed Mar 12 2014, 17:05

Balozi wrote:
kimiti wrote:Just my 2 cents. Not the gospel truth. The real puzzle is, how do you delay rigor mortis if he is to be discovered after a firefight

It can be done through those mortuary chemicals just before placing that body in the field. and when its start rigor mortis after insertion that would be inline with the cause of nature no so?

But why is this necessary? A body can be found after two weeks in a partly decomposed state. This won't negate the fact that there was a fire fight if all other evidence is there, several spent cartridges for example. What is wrong with that?

kimiti Wed Mar 12 2014, 17:52

two weeks,? I don't think so, it's supposed to be a ruse, it wouldn't work coz then how would you explain not going back for a skiable asset like that. I think, after a firefight, man down, valuable intel, all risking being got by the enemy, I would throw everything to get it back coz the whole mission depends on it. So discovery of the body should be less than two hours after contact. Anything after that you might as well put up a sign "here is the bait dummy!"
Just my opinion

kimiti Wed Mar 12 2014, 17:54

Meant valuable asset where it reads skiable. Damn phones

The Blue Wed Mar 12 2014, 18:29

Risasi wrote:so here is what we have .
Etc etc etc

are we set ? can we ~~procedure?~~ Proceed?

The real task here is insertion of S.Sgt or is it S.Pte Marehemu into theater at the correct time, without raising Kebaab eyebrows. And before you do, give him that favorite tattoo of our green berets, the green eagle in front of a parachute..yes, that one.

Risasi Thu Mar 13 2014, 06:16

The Blue wrote:
Risasi wrote:so here is what we have .
Etc etc etc

are we set ? can we ~~procedure?~~ Proceed?

The real task here is insertion of S.Sgt or is it S.Pte Marehemu into theater at the correct time, without raising Kebaab eyebrows. And before you do, give him that favorite tattoo of our green berets, the green eagle in front of a parachute..yes, that one.

thanks to the new technology of predictive keypads......

Risasi Thu Mar 13 2014, 06:30

kimiti wrote:two weeks,? I don't think so, it's supposed to be a ruse, it wouldn't work coz then how would you explain not going back for a skiable asset like that. I think, after a firefight, man down, valuable intel, all risking being got by the enemy, I would throw everything to get it back coz the whole mission depends on it. So discovery of the body should be less than two hours after contact. Anything after that you might as well put up a sign "here is the bait dummy!"
Just my opinion

kimiti has a point here but it depends on the geo-nature and the circumstance that the now baptised Sgt. marehemu died.
1.if he is placed hidden in thickets i.e he was wounded , managed to crawl and hide, then passes on hidden, it would take a while before discovering him. nature would have taken course by then
2.if his killed in sub urban environment or an open grass field or died on the sport he would be discovered faster.
by either the AS or passes by.

get what kimiti is saying, we can,t have a sub urban shoot out and hours latter a partially decayed body is found by the alleys no way no one would buy that.

Risasi Thu Mar 13 2014, 06:36

some season bloggers are still missing
Mchoraji, Spartan, aggressor one, cyco dudus , timoh , grey area we need your inputs

Risasi Thu Mar 13 2014, 07:06

Risasi wrote:so here is what we have .
an unclaimed body from a morgue, athletic and clean shaved ,bullet ridden in 5.56mm AK rounds
dressed In military fatigues
a digital cam
a standard military map with inscriptions, markings etc
a wallet (yes we can duplicate most items in a wallet as long as there no specifics, business card, a few atms cards, KSH and USD)
a military dog tag chain
a cellphone (proposed by the one Mr Crane)

are we set ? can we procedure?

to spike up the discussion , I think you fellas are under estimating the enemy. may it linger in the back of your minds that we can fool the local militias (due to lack of counter intelligence experiences) but among them is a band wagon of very experienced foreign jihadist . jihadist that have almost 10 yres experiences in between their hands i.e encountered lots of dead marines and allied forces somewhere in the Kandahar or Kashmir provinces . so lets be careful on how we plan to fool them. Laughing

it has to be prefect and right at the first instants

the above ingredient suits your ops , then gentlemen you are still non starters... Very Happy

we talked about ID cards cellphones etc
remember you fellas unanimous agreed that the body would be an unclaimed one from our city morgues, you all agreed that he should have some sort of identification . so the questions are

1. how do we photograph that chalk white dead face to make that iD card urgently required for authentication? or should we just leave the iD issue a side.

2. still on the dead corpse . do you honestly think pumping in bullets at an already dead body, the wounds would look similar to those inflected in real time???

3.a standard/normal cellphone consist at least +80 names and numbers sms etc. how sure are we that the enemy wouldn't try contacting several numbers randomly to pass that "friendly condolences message" just to be sure ???

tumalize hiyo before we proceed.

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