Kenya Defence Force

@ole-nkarei, F-15 it is then....

Some say..... it has landed on several occassion on one wing, and that whenever uncle sam wants to down a geostationary satellite, he mounts the missile on its underbelly.....

My worry is that F 15 have been known to suddenly crash out of the sky like this one in libya recently,which had flown from a base in UK to perform this mission over libya..but did not make it back .no information as to why it failed and crashed down intact..which negates any notion of enemy fire...infact it is said no F15 has ever been incapacitated by enemy action INSPITE of seeing action in all modern war theaters from 1991 to date.
But they are a formidable platform to proudly own and operate...and IF KENYA was to get these..that would be a very
bold and exceptional move.
To me the SWEDISH GRIPPEN is worth considering because it can operate from anywhere including rough and short dusty roads as runways..I RECENTLY watched a very detailed documentary on DISCOVERY channel about this air craft and found it a very worthwhile piece of equipment o operate.


http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Military/2011/0322/American-F-15-crashes-in-Libya-a-reminder-of-mission-s-potential-costs

If I might raise an issue that could become important fairly soon (I am sure it has been raised before) but - what is going on with the Kenyan Navy ?

It is good to see ships back from overhaul but was it really necessary to remove the OTOMAT launchers ?

Is there any planned force accretion of more gunboats or missile boats ? The KNS Mamba can't last much longer.

Colonel Sir, if I might ask you this - how are those Vickers Mk.3 tanks doing after all these years ?

I mean the last Vijayantas have left Indian service (at least formally) and Nigeria still operates them.

I am sure the T-72s are a lot more effective but it would be interesting to see how those old Vickers machines are doing !

[quote="sbm"]

You are an stiff-necked chap, sbm! Eh, bana, you do remind me of my RSM during basic!! Please stay with the call-signs, much friendlier. VIckers Mk3 - Upgraded 'to-current' and little attrition over the years, some our our very experienced tankers prefer her to the Russian citing a ton of reasons. If we can keep the Tigers in tip-top battle status this long....! Going forth, the Armoured Corps is expanding, and the Mk3 at the core. Cannot envisage retirement of this baby soon.

areba wrote:@ole-nkarei, F-15 it is then....

Some say..... it has landed on several occassion on one wing, and that whenever uncle sam wants to down a geostationary satellite, he mounts the missile on its underbelly.....

@areba. This sounds like Jeremy Clarkson (top gear) describing -The Stig. he he he

Colonel, Sir - I am not stiff necked at all. Just respecting the rank you know ! Can't physically salute !

It is very nice to see those Mk.3s still going strong. I think Vickers was on to a good idea there. Shame it didn't attract more export success beyond Nigeria, Kenya and Kuwait.

The Vijayanta served India tolerably well but was not particularly popular owing to its thin armour and the temperamental L60. Still the tank has a good FCS and firepower plus it is way more spacious than Russian vehicles. I can easily see why experienced tankers appreciate it.

[quote="sbm"]Colonel, Sir - I am not stiff necked at all.

If I got Ole Nkarei well I think he is asking you to refer to him using his username i.e. Ole Nkarei or Nkarei instead of using Col and Sir!

Hope I nailed it.

Eeeiish!! Asante, Bana Rwigi!! I must have been in opposing armies with sbm in some past life!! Just indulge me, friend - call signs will do just as fine.
If Theatre-Expansion results from 'Linda Nchi', as it does appear it will, present ranks will shift just pretty fast, you know.

ole Nkarei wrote:Eeeiish!! Asante, Bana Rwigi!! I must have been in opposing armies with sbm in some past life!! Just indulge me, friend - call signs will do just as fine.
If Theatre-Expansion results from 'Linda Nchi', as it does appear it will, present ranks will shift just pretty fast, you know.

Glad to make your acquaintance, General.

since we are all adults here permit me to use some out of forum language--I've been reading through this since page seven and i tell you the debate is mental porn! almost disapointed when i reached the end!..since our aor is exapnding to Malawi and the entire DRC isn't it time now for the air force to consider upgrades ti the uchukuzi dept? some air craft that can refuel our war birds air to air and still land and carry our troops to the front? It makes no sense having an effective fighter-with two huge engines-that has to go back several hundred miles to refuel on base then take off again, wave or no wave attack...as concerning the F5 mass aqusition to counter the su 30's, i think a clever Ug pilot(even if i doubt their availability) would make use of his massive endurance to make KAF pilots chase him then strike when the tigers are near their limit for dogfighting. so that said is it viable to have the EM as an option(PS i do respect the abilities of the EM tiger)? But my heart is still firmly with the Grippen, forgeting that it kinda shares my callsign(O.N n Areba). who wouldn't want a fighter that can take off from a clandestine base in Soroti or a roadside in Gulu to hit the flanker bases on their rear? I don't know why i see so much value for $ in this bird. Consider that when we extend our reach to the Bingwas on the land of the rising sun we are firmly in Uncle Jecob'z turf, now we have to plan for an agressive south africa armed with fighters that can take off from a roadside in Iringa-an y'all know how much the south africans can be creative...So i ask again, is the F-15 really worth itat the end?



allow me to welcome you SBM n all othe nu folks. Very gratifying to see risasi swaeting an answer out.

Rather strong words, Jas, in a friendly site. You may have a point though.

But in context, the AOR is expected to result from on-going political rapprochements riding along several monocyclic expanding Economic Zones, which harmonizes national growth priorities along the strengths consensual partners states clearly manifest. But because this integrated Economic Zone must be buttressed on a muscular, modernized integrated Military Force, then that such an AOR must be consensual and not hostile. In that case, then it is entirely possible that every indigene Military Asset – Barracks, Airstrips, Bases, and all inside these Assets, in consensually integrated States, will submit to the AOR. That is where the well-crafted arguments against the eef-fifteen-ees fall flat – all alternatives are essentially unambitious, too little, too feeble. The critical Military Planning Phase in this context is really inside a decade - war is certainly going to evolve due to technology and other influences, and the cutting advantages of present military hardware will be obsolete inside the decade!. But in this context therefore, it makes greater sense for the CAR to plow every cent currently ‘’wasted’’ in an ineffectual National Military Security Shield into national social-economic programs for their people. While Sudan may see their nascent Arms industry as their selling point in an Intiegrated Military Security Shield. Every state Kenya included will have an essential contribution in one manner or the other – the key is synergies from real advantages and elimination of repetitive competition. It is a do-able, gentlemen. But while we are going, the argument must be incrementally won by determined statements of these intentions, to give confidence that indeed this is strategically the most optimally feasible growth module for each consensual state.

In KDF, the departure point is in our strategic posture on military procurement and force-definitions. This is subtly discernible in the ''Rwaza2030'', and explains Linda Nchi in bare terms. There you are, then…

Ole Nkarei, your wish is my command (Sir !)

But back to the importatnt stuff, I agree wholeheartedly with your argument.

Jasiri, I cannot disagree with you on the capabilities of the Gripen. It is an excellent aircraft.

However, too many of its "vitals" are American without an alternative spares source.

Note how Turkey is standing up to France these days.

I should say that is the only reason I am suggesting the F-16C/D.

It is a capable aircraft, keeps Uncle Sam thinking you are on his side, and there is an alternative spares source in the event things go bad.

Tom Cooper, one of the authors of the "African MiGs" books, to a question of mine about Uganda's ability to utilize the Su-30s, spoke very highly of the pilots they selected for Su-30 conversion and the ground crews.

However he also hinted at too few pilots and technical staff are available at this stage.

Still, no matter how you take it, those aircraft are the most formidable machines in the region.

South Africa is still having major trouble keeping its fighter-fleet operational. Too few flight hours and too few pilots.

I know that the AFZ sent instructors to help train the South Africans but while the situation has improved, things aren't too good down there in terms of the ability of that Air Force to conduct major operations.

As an aside, it would be nice to get a perspective on what is happening with the Kenyan Navy - the loss of so many missile craft without apparent replacement.

@Jas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zAdC_DnG5Z4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQPuRr2_MFg

@SBM good point on spares



Jas vs Eagle

the jas has a low thrust to weight ratio. 0.97 not ideal for dogfighting esp. against Su30. we need it for fighting not for landing my dear. it means how much powerfull the engine push the body.

effect on thrust weight ratio.

Jas-39

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LiLexmbZ7LY

eagle F-15 thrust to wieght ratio 1.12

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtqasYWfDUM

j-10 china thrust to wieght ratio

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeuON3eGA0o

Su30 thrust to wieght ratio 0.98

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MRW-RLATjLw

by the way not a big diffrence from an F-5e 0.65



intresting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_EXtBEaBbs

As an aside, it would be nice to get a perspective on what is
happening with the Kenyan Navy - the loss of so many missile craft
without apparent replacement.

They're amidst a mid life upgrade and are being relegated to a strictly IPV coast guard role. The launchers of the Nyayo are to be placed on the new OPV,the KNS Jasiri,a 300 foot corvette whose delivery is imminent.
She is a hydrographic survey vessel whose purchase is a precursor to the planned intro of a pair of either Indian or Paki subs. The Brits couldn't countenance Kenya owning underwater assets beyond their control so they sabotaged the deal in 2005 with the media and local agents.

Happy holidays to you all and as always, salaams to all the mean men in dark corners that we mere mortals will probably never see.
Now that we have made definiate steps via a vis using UAV's for battlefield surveillance, how bout mixing it up with aerostats especially for border security.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aerostat
http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/Aerostat

The aerostat could act as eyes and ears on suspected enemy ingress routes,and a QRF could be attached to the aerostat unit on standby for interdiction of suspected enemy movements/ contacts. This will free KDF personnel for deep-in-theater ops , especially if the QRF is GSU or AP-RDF/Rural Border Patrol Unit. My feeling is the KDF and its SF/ SO capable elements should not really be tied down along the border in times of conflict but should be able to range in theatre to prosecute the enemy right in their mamas' bosoms (especially these AS suckers). I'm up on civvie street , so please bear with me if my theories are a bit out there.

@azkania.... i have always been a fan of those unmanned things, your aerostat will only have one glaring disadvantage... size. unless its made from some high tech, transparent material, well have given al-thoseones free target practice and depending on the gas used, our very own hildenberg.

That said, i always insist that we do not necessarily need satelitte guidance if our objective is merely operating in our geopolitical sphere. Imagine what we can do if we infiltrated those countries, bought houses and mounted long range encrypted signal repeaters on TV aerial masts, and used the vast mobile communications masts in our very own country to be able to fly a UAV in every corner of our airspace with zero satellite communication... lofty @risasi?

@jasiri! Finally your Avator sells you out. i have somehow always believed the other call sign in the other forum to be @tom.

@mwaura its about time. i hear we have billions worth of tuna under those waters...

and onto other matters, whats the latest on the "announcement" PS Nyoike has been promising us? anyone smelling hydrocarbons near the jade sea yet?

....and a very Merry Christmas to you all!

areba wrote:

That said, i always insist that we do not necessarily need satelitte guidance if our objective is merely operating in our geopolitical sphere. Imagine what we can do if we infiltrated those countries, bought houses and mounted long range encrypted signal repeaters on TV aerial masts, and used the vast mobile communications masts in our very own country to be able to fly a UAV in every corner of our airspace with zero satellite communication... lofty @risasi?

@Areba, there was a private members bill by a certain MP from Nyanza, that was being debated recently in parliament, in regards to Satellite technology. His assertions were that as a country, .ke is wasting a lot of resources in bandwidth payments for using foreign owned satellites, Kenya as we are all aware was amongst the first contries in Africa to have a launch platform and if the country could harness that resource which is still in the hands of foreigners a lot of technological adavancements not just to .ke but to the rest of the region could be achieved. This technology should not be seen as expensive and out of the reach as other African countries like Nigeria have done it. We shouln't give up on ever launching our own satellite, not just for military purposes but also for other civillian uses. One disadvantage with terrestrial networks is that they can easily be fiddled with hence loosing connectivity. This is true especially with the fibre optic networks being rolled out in the country, With Satellites its a different thing altogether

To All i wish you a very merry Christmas, please stay safe and enjoy wherever you will be with family and or with friends. Cheers!!

Brits to intervene in Somalia!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/britains-new-year-resolution-intervene-in-somalia-6280391.html
To look after critical nat'l interests they'll decide at a February conference whether to intervene militarily. This puts an extremely complexion on things. Gentlemen,your thoughts?

MWAURA wrote:Brits to intervene in Somalia!
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/britains-new-year-resolution-intervene-in-somalia-6280391.html
To look after critical nat'l interests they'll decide at a February conference whether to intervene militarily. This puts an extremely complexion on things. Gentlemen,your thoughts?

For twenty years no one wanted anything to do with Somalia militarily after the Black Hawk down incident.
Infact the former American president Clinton ordered a presidential veto stopping any US soldiers ever serving in Somalia after that humiliating scene of mutilated bodies of American servicemen being pulled along the streets of Mogadishu live on TV like rug dolls
NOW fast forward 2011 enter Kenya Defence forces who within A MATTER OF DAYS and in a textbook like operation are able to pacify hundreds of miles and the whole of southern Somalia..killing hundreds of Alshabab thugs,providing relief goods and in the process welcomed by a grateful local population of relieved Somalis as liberators.
Incidentally i met a Somali taxi driver owner at a car wash facility and as we got charting, when i told him i was a Kenyan the guy shook my hand very gratefully and said a majority of their kinsmen are eager that Kenya helps to sort out the mess in their country by finishing off Alshabab.

The British now want to come in.?/?where were they? all these years? is there something they have seen and now want to be part of the ACTION?or is it the success of an African country like Kenya too much to accept?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/raf-could-give-support-in-somalia-intervention-6280778.html

@mwaura & @countersniper.
I want to postulate this on record...... Its all about hydrocarbons.

Any country that things of itself as a major power - especially any member of the P-5 - cannot be trusted.

I am sure there is a point about the hydrocarbons but there is also the strutting arrogance that characterizes British foreign policy.

A Merry Christmas to all !

areba wrote:@mwaura & @countersniper.
I want to postulate this on record...... Its all about hydrocarbons.

I have written of this many times here, that Somalia has the largest Off-shore oilfields anywhere on this globe but for the Antarctic Region which is now fast become the next flash-point for possible Nuclear War for this same reasons. Moreover, the entire land-mass encompassing the Ogaden and Northern Kenya through Sudan and all the way to the Congo Forest seats atop greater Oil and Gas Reserves than anywhere else in the world. Why the heck do you imagine Rwaza 2030 is so ‘’external’’ in outlook? Do you imagine this Somali madness has been this long without ‘encouragement’’ from these same do-good-doing Western Powers ? The Saudi Sands are running out anytime in the next thirty years or so, and where to you expect Britain and her rapacious friends will turn to supply their greedy economies with hydrocarbon fuel?

If Lindi Nchi goes the way it is – see how many African Countries have lined up to join AMISOM now, those hydrocarbons will be brought out of the ground on terms the Africans will set themselves. And that is the only reason erstwhile Cowardly British Politician, now emboldened by the ‘’successes’’ of their insidious activities in Libya, are rattling Sabres to draw African ''fearful'' attention on this Theatre. If they come into Somalia on terms not drawn by the Africans, or even worser still put some boots in, Somalia will acquire an attraction in Africa that no African but the AS madmen wants at all.

ole Nkarei wrote:

areba wrote:@mwaura & @countersniper.
I want to postulate this on record...... Its all about hydrocarbons.

I have written of this many times here, that Somalia has the largest Off-shore oilfields anywhere on this globe but for the Antarctic Region which is now fast become the next flash-point for possible Nuclear War for this same reasons. Moreover, the entire land-mass encompassing the Ogaden and Northern Kenya through Sudan and all the way to the Congo Forest seats atop greater Oil and Gas Reserves than anywhere else in the world. Why the heck do you imagine Rwaza 2030 is so ‘’external’’ in outlook? Do you imagine this Somali madness has been this long without ‘encouragement’’ from these same do-good-doing Western Powers ? The Saudi Sands are running out anytime in the next thirty years or so, and where to you expect Britain and her rapacious friends will turn to supply their greedy economies with hydrocarbon fuel?

If Lindi Nchi goes the way it is – see how many African Countries have lined up to join AMISOM now, those hydrocarbons will be brought out of the ground on terms the Africans will set themselves. And that is the only reason erstwhile Cowardly British Politician, now emboldened by the ‘’successes’’ of their insidious activities in Libya, are rattling Sabres to draw African ''fearful'' attention on this Theatre. If they come into Somalia on terms not drawn by the Africans, or even worser still put some boots in, Somalia will acquire an attraction in Africa that no African but the AS madmen wants at all.

Its the 25th and I haven't the time for the mindful contemplation and careful consideration the quran demands before any decision is made-but this I do know.
The Brits will immensely complicate matters seeking to subordinate all political military efforts to their own ends.To this end I see their spec ops doing false flags against the KDF in Azania. Remember the original take down crew of the MV Faina? They weren't Somali. That's a hallmark of their MO.
D

oes anyone remember the shock with which the British
public greeted the revelation four years ago that one of the members of
the Real IRA unit whose bombing attack in Omagh on August 15, 1998
killed twenty-nine civilians had been a double agent, a British army
soldier?

That soldier was not Britain’s only terrorist double
agent. A second British soldier planted within the IRA claimed he had
given forty-eight hours advance notice of the Omagh car-bomb attack to
his handlers within the Royal Ulster Constabulary, including "details of
one of the bombing team and the man’s car registration." Although the
agent had made an audio tape of his tip-off call, Sir Ronnie Flanagan,
chief constable of the RUC, declared that "no such information was
received" (http://www.sundayherald.com/17827).

www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=994
...

But the soldiers, identified by the BBC as "members of the SAS elite special forces" (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4264614.stm), were subdued by the police and arrested. A report published by The Guardian
on September 24 adds the further detail that the SAS men "are thought
to have been on a surveillance mission outside a police station in Basra
when they were challenged by an Iraqi police patrol" (http://www.guardian.co.uk/iraq/Story/0,2763,1577575,00.html).

IDK,the exact legal status of their training regimen here here but it seems time for the GoK to permanently review the same. Its time for them to understand a new paradigm has arisen. The days when Brittannia ruled and 3 rd worlders did what they were told went the way of the gramophone record player.

@tom... whats your take on our kaka zetu to west of tall-thin-man with their "two" presidents saga?

areba wrote:@tom... whats your take on our kaka zetu to west of tall-thin-man with their "two" presidents saga?

Eeiish! Another British Conundrum, Collins. The one is favored by EAC/IGAD and AU, a prodigy of some revolutionary credentials to anti-colonial-status-quo, the other favoured by old mining interests and therefore in larkey of colonial forces. Quite a difference when in the context of the DRC. There are possibilities of protracted low-grade civil strife propelled by these negative forces, and maybe incremental armed contact, if it does gain some momentum. However, IGAD/AU have closed ranks on the young one, and barring overtly organised and led Western manenos, which I reckon not very likely, the old dog should will stop his whimpering soon.

Inserted a Recon SF team in some probable flash-points, coupla weeks now! Wait and learn.

This part of Africa has not stagnated and spiralled into unimaginable and inexplicable civil strife (how the hell does one explain the Rwandan madness of two symbiotic clans engaged in a decades-old killing fest without ideology?) because Africans are stupid. This is the reservoir of energy and material for certain devilishly greedy chaps into the not distant future. We are just waking up faster than expected and moving along better than acceptable to these insidious chaps.

Good heavens @tom! do people at Karen go to sleep these days? hope we are not biting more than we can chew with all this dancing....

areba wrote:Good heavens @tom! do people at Karen go to sleep these days? hope we are not biting more than we can chew with all this dancing....

Kinda thinly spread right now, Collins, but not such that we can't hold down. Sleep is also getting kinda rare too, with all the manenos going on. BTW that SF insertion is only a recon team, and on a very wide grid deployment. No contact envisaged.

K.d.f intensifying hits on al shabab.A lot of action in the last few days.Seen heavily armed in full combat gear k.d.f guys headed to the theater.Why a sudden and robust attacks perpetrated by K.d.f at this juncture while we were made to believe the "calm" had been effected waiting the so called "re-hatting" of k.d.f to Amisom?
Do u have anything to report major?