Re: Kenya Defence Force

Observer Mon Jan 30 2012, 17:31

jasiri wrote:Kenya's army, which said Saturday it had advanced within striking
distance of Kismayu, and would make its move when the time was right.
Interesting very interesting. seems someone swallowed the haji horror story eh?
ON, seems the Ethiopians are on the move again. could this be the reason why KDF is moving in to Chismayo?
Spartan, dismount and fight you say? well that's what the 40th Ranger Bat is all about. that and two other para battalions. i believe before end of Feb there will be enough action to turn our evening news to Hollywood blockbuster.
Risasi, it's kinda hard to come by the complete documentary. still sniffing though.

Interesting insights from the Augustine Mahiga guy; "Mahiga" kyuk for
stones...i hope he has a "stone" kind of resolve, he,ll need it in Crazy
town... Very Happy

http://hornofafricanews.blogspot.com/2012/01/interview-au-kenyan-forces-move-to.html
...from his comments Kismayu may play a huge role in defining KDF in
the Somali theater. With some of KDF's "top layer" playing in
this sector; 30th Special Ops and 40th KRSF http://tinyurl.com/7nxhqdm plus other 20 para elements...will mosdef be the THE THEATER to watch.

Guest Mon Jan 30 2012, 20:21

1. Major Samuel Keli Kavindu - Joint Helicopter Command
2. Major Kizito Wahiza Nyamohanga - Joint Helicopter Command
3. Lieutenant K.A Webi - 1st Kenya Rifles
4. Lieutenant Edward Okoyo - 3rd Kenya Rifles
5. Lieutenant Raymond Kirui - 7th Kenya Rifles
6. Lieutenant Evans Kipkorir Ngetich - 76th Armoured Recce Battalion
7. Corporal Francis Imenyi Languchia - Joint Helicopter Command
8. Corporal Francis Muli Solovea - Joint Helicopter Command
9. Corporal Noel Kipkurgat Kipkosiam - Joint Helicopter Command
10. Lance Corporal Willie Njoroge -1st Kenya Rifles
11. Bombardier Edward Kiboi Mugo – 77th Arty
12. Gunner Kevin Mgogoyo Wamai – 77th Arty,
13. Gunner Philip Onyango – 77th Arty
14. Private Yusuf Abdullah Korio - 15th Kenya Rifles
15. Private Ronald Kipkemboi Kiptui - 7th Kenya Rifles

Couple more of the SOR... Now these fine chaps break out chilled Malt Tusker with Alexander, Rommell , Zukhov, Moshe Dayan, Kimathi, Custer, George Patton,............

Guest Mon Jan 30 2012, 21:30

Rest in Peace, mashujaa.

ole Nkarei wrote:1. Major Samuel Keli Kavindu - Joint Helicopter Command
2. Major Kizito Wahiza Nyamohanga - Joint Helicopter Command
3. Lieutenant K.A Webi - 1st Kenya Rifles
4. Lieutenant Edward Okoyo - 3rd Kenya Rifles
5. Lieutenant Raymond Kirui - 7th Kenya Rifles
6. Lieutenant Evans Kipkorir Ngetich - 76th Armoured Recce Battalion
7. Corporal Francis Imenyi Languchia - Joint Helicopter Command
8. Corporal Francis Muli Solovea - Joint Helicopter Command
9. Corporal Noel Kipkurgat Kipkosiam - Joint Helicopter Command
10. Lance Corporal Willie Njoroge -1st Kenya Rifles
11. Bombardier Edward Kiboi Mugo – 77th Arty
12. Gunner Kevin Mgogoyo Wamai – 77th Arty,
13. Gunner Philip Onyango – 77th Arty
14. Private Yusuf Abdullah Korio - 15th Kenya Rifles
15. Private Ronald Kipkemboi Kiptui - 7th Kenya Rifles

Couple more of the SOR... Now these fine chaps break out chilled Malt Tusker with Alexander, Rommell , Zukhov, Moshe Dayan, Kimathi, Custer, George Patton,............

cylon Tue Jan 31 2012, 00:04

mashaa wrote:ole-sidai & cylon may be there is hope!

Saw this a while back only if the government could just fund him he would be successful

cylon Tue Jan 31 2012, 00:06

Olekoima wrote:
Olekoima wrote:
cylon wrote:@ Albashir- It would rite we could buy like 40 or 50 of them to expand KAF.

Also whoever can answer this which helicopter is better on ground support, ammo load, room and electronics is it the upgraded MD500 or the Z-w9 attack heli. also in the near future will the KAF acquire several black hawks heli's

Also ole nakeri, sir what would you like to see the KDF acquire(equipment wise etc) in the next coming months or years and is northern sudan gonna wage war with goSS

I doubt. This is just rhetoric. South Sudan can, but it is in no position to challenge the more armed and numerical North at the moment unless with support of neighbours whom i believe will only come to rescue if the South is attacked and overrun. For the North, they have their hands full right now and may not risk opening another front which may invite eager foes to settle scores. What is more this becomes even more dangerous for one Al Bashir with the ICC lying eagerly in wait.

Well, i may have been wrong. It looks like Khartoum is actually preparing for a full scale war with South Sudan. This could well be very dangerous for one Al Bashir.

http://www.sudantribune.com/EXCLUSIVE-Sudan-army-officers-warn,41444

This is the first major challenge for the new country will it be able to defend it self from external aggression.

cylon Tue Jan 31 2012, 00:22

I suspect the alshabab may have tunnels all round the city just like in Mogadishu how will kdf handle these situations

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 06:50

!@Cylon - surely you write in jest, Kenyan! And if you not so, then to suggest with a straight face that GoK funds that crazy can-with-rotors in concepting a homegrown replacement for the Z-9w and MD500, as you have, is to do great disservice to our cracked ribs!!! Mashaa and ole-sidai were ribbing you, mate.

As concerns GoSS defending herself against external aggression- buddy, GoSS has absolutely ZERO Military abilities of stopping Sudan from marching all over GoSS, without help from the rest of us. What she could do is make it very hard for Sudan to hold any ground in the South. At present and probably for the next ten years or so, GoSS has no Defense Shield of her own, and is dependent on IGAD and particularly Kenya and Ethiopia for immediate response if Bashir marches southwards.

As for Kismayo, anyone expected KDF to march into this hell-hole as expected by AS is wholly mistaken. Kismayo exists because it has a captive economic and political constituency around it. Cut off effectively from this constituency, Kismayo dies naturally. So now, AS has funneled resources in men and equipment into Kismayo in preparation for an engagement with KDF that mirrors the madness they have danced with the UPDF in Crazy town - a ''Stalingrad Doctrine'' which UPDF / AS have conjured of Mogadisho. KDF is not the UPDF as I keep postulating here.

Olekoima Tue Jan 31 2012, 08:34

ole Nkarei wrote:!@Cylon - surely you write in jest, Kenyan! And if you not so, then to suggest with a straight face that GoK funds that crazy can-with-rotors in concepting a homegrown replacement for the Z-9w and MD500, as you have, is to do great disservice to our cracked ribs!!! Mashaa and ole-sidai were ribbing you, mate.

As concerns GoSS defending herself against external aggression- buddy, GoSS has absolutely ZERO Military abilities of stopping Sudan from marching all over GoSS, without help from the rest of us. What she could do is make it very hard for Sudan to hold any ground in the South. At present and probably for the next ten years or so, GoSS has no Defense Shield of her own, and is dependent on IGAD and particularly Kenya and Ethiopia for immediate response if Bashir marches southwards.

As for Kismayo, anyone expected KDF to march into this hell-hole as expected by AS is wholly mistaken. Kismayo exists because it has a captive economic and political constituency around it. Cut off effectively from this constituency, Kismayo dies naturally. So now, AS has funneled resources in men and equipment into Kismayo in preparation for an engagement with KDF that mirrors the madness they have danced with the UPDF in Crazy town - a ''Stalingrad Doctrine'' which UPDF / AS have conjured of Mogadisho. KDF is not the UPDF as I keep postulating here.

I Thought UG could thrown into the mix too and especially M7 who would relish the opportunity to settle some old scores with his northern foe.

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 09:14

Olekoima wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:!@Cylon - surely you write in jest, Kenyan! And if you not so, then to suggest with a straight face that GoK funds that crazy can-with-rotors in concepting a homegrown replacement for the Z-9w and MD500, as you have, is to do great disservice to our cracked ribs!!! Mashaa and ole-sidai were ribbing you, mate.

As concerns GoSS defending herself against external aggression- buddy, GoSS has absolutely ZERO Military abilities of stopping Sudan from marching all over GoSS, without help from the rest of us. What she could do is make it very hard for Sudan to hold any ground in the South. At present and probably for the next ten years or so, GoSS has no Defense Shield of her own, and is dependent on IGAD and particularly Kenya and Ethiopia for immediate response if Bashir marches southwards.

As for Kismayo, anyone expected KDF to march into this hell-hole as expected by AS is wholly mistaken. Kismayo exists because it has a captive economic and political constituency around it. Cut off effectively from this constituency, Kismayo dies naturally. So now, AS has funneled resources in men and equipment into Kismayo in preparation for an engagement with KDF that mirrors the madness they have danced with the UPDF in Crazy town - a ''Stalingrad Doctrine'' which UPDF / AS have conjured of Mogadisho. KDF is not the UPDF as I keep postulating here.

I Thought UG could thrown into the mix too and especially M7 who would relish the opportunity to settle some old scores with his northern foe.

Precisely the elephant in this matter - there is history between Bashir and M7. Intervention into the Sudan must be defined as ''peace-enforcement'' / ''status quo retention'' / etc, and would be intended to be very very crisp, very short, very decisive, very clinical. Nothing large-scale, nothing long-term, and most importantly without any semblance of historical biases / ''injustices'', personal grouses, etc. Even Sammy would be required to sit it out, just making the necessary threatening noises from the sidelines!! Otherwise intervention assumes connotations that would be undesirable - Bashir could internationalise the Conflict, you know, and quite successfully as to give us all a bloody nose!!
M7 does not endear himself as a peace-enforcer in this region.

Olekoima, there are some very bloody-minded chaps on these blogs, I say! Shocking!! I mean, man, some chaps are panting to see KDF blood soaking the dusty streets of Kismayu!! Lucky enough War can be fought clever, smart, by gawd!

Olekoima Tue Jan 31 2012, 10:32

ole Nkarei wrote:
Olekoima wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:!@Cylon - surely you write in jest, Kenyan! And if you not so, then to suggest with a straight face that GoK funds that crazy can-with-rotors in concepting a homegrown replacement for the Z-9w and MD500, as you have, is to do great disservice to our cracked ribs!!! Mashaa and ole-sidai were ribbing you, mate.

As concerns GoSS defending herself against external aggression- buddy, GoSS has absolutely ZERO Military abilities of stopping Sudan from marching all over GoSS, without help from the rest of us. What she could do is make it very hard for Sudan to hold any ground in the South. At present and probably for the next ten years or so, GoSS has no Defense Shield of her own, and is dependent on IGAD and particularly Kenya and Ethiopia for immediate response if Bashir marches southwards.

As for Kismayo, anyone expected KDF to march into this hell-hole as expected by AS is wholly mistaken. Kismayo exists because it has a captive economic and political constituency around it. Cut off effectively from this constituency, Kismayo dies naturally. So now, AS has funneled resources in men and equipment into Kismayo in preparation for an engagement with KDF that mirrors the madness they have danced with the UPDF in Crazy town - a ''Stalingrad Doctrine'' which UPDF / AS have conjured of Mogadisho. KDF is not the UPDF as I keep postulating here.

I Thought UG could thrown into the mix too and especially M7 who would relish the opportunity to settle some old scores with his northern foe.

Precisely the elephant in this matter - there is history between Bashir and M7. Intervention into the Sudan must be defined as ''peace-enforcement'' / ''status quo retention'' / etc, and would be intended to be very very crisp, very short, very decisive, very clinical. Nothing large-scale, nothing long-term, and most importantly without any semblance of historical biases / ''injustices'', personal grouses, etc. Even Sammy would be required to sit it out, just making the necessary threatening noises from the sidelines!! Otherwise intervention assumes connotations that would be undesirable - Bashir could internationalise the Conflict, you know, and quite successfully as to give us all a bloody nose!!
M7 does not endear himself as a peace-enforcer in this region.

Olekoima, there are some very bloody-minded chaps on these blogs, I say! Shocking!! I mean, man, some chaps are panting to see KDF blood soaking the dusty streets of Kismayu!! Lucky enough War can be fought clever, smart, by gawd!

Yes, very unfortunate indeed. Anyway i like the strategy by the KDF so far. Very calculating and precise(some say slow too) and delivering the intended results. No need to storm Kismayu, kill everybody else and leave only to create a vaccuum for Al Shabaab or some other crazy militia to fill. This is precisely the mistake the Ethiopians made in 2006 which then gave rise to this monster Al shabaab. Granted it is not beyond KDF to storm Kismayu and do the same, but then what?

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 11:03

Kismayo will be stormed for sure. But by a visibly somalian armed force. Cox KDF cannot afford to be tagged with the obvious carnage that will result. Make no mistakes about it - AS awaits Kismayo with glee coz they intend to force such indiscriminate carnage as to redefine all combatants - and with them as the defenders of Somalia honor and people. But the 30th SOC will Pathfinding for the TFG together with the Joint Hell Group for field-intel advanced-recce by force, bankers tunnels and hard-targets. But public face of thisbwhole dance must be clearly Somalia TFG. So, we gather the necessary TFG components for thisbtoygh act - and get accused of inactivity and slothness! Eeisshh!

Observer Tue Jan 31 2012, 12:07

The dead soldier's silence sings our national anthem...

Vitruvian wrote:Rest in Peace, mashujaa.

ole Nkarei wrote:1. Major Samuel Keli Kavindu - Joint Helicopter Command
2. Major Kizito Wahiza Nyamohanga - Joint Helicopter Command
3. Lieutenant K.A Webi - 1st Kenya Rifles
4. Lieutenant Edward Okoyo - 3rd Kenya Rifles
5. Lieutenant Raymond Kirui - 7th Kenya Rifles
6. Lieutenant Evans Kipkorir Ngetich - 76th Armoured Recce Battalion
7. Corporal Francis Imenyi Languchia - Joint Helicopter Command
8. Corporal Francis Muli Solovea - Joint Helicopter Command
9. Corporal Noel Kipkurgat Kipkosiam - Joint Helicopter Command
10. Lance Corporal Willie Njoroge -1st Kenya Rifles
11. Bombardier Edward Kiboi Mugo – 77th Arty
12. Gunner Kevin Mgogoyo Wamai – 77th Arty,
13. Gunner Philip Onyango – 77th Arty
14. Private Yusuf Abdullah Korio - 15th Kenya Rifles
15. Private Ronald Kipkemboi Kiptui - 7th Kenya Rifles

Couple more of the SOR... Now these fine chaps break out chilled Malt Tusker with Alexander, Rommell , Zukhov, Moshe Dayan, Kimathi, Custer, George Patton,............

Spartan Tue Jan 31 2012, 12:42

At present and probably for the next ten years or so, GoSS has no Defense Shield of her own, and is dependent on IGAD and particularly Kenya and Ethiopia for immediate response if Bashir marches southwards.

GOSS knows that when it comes to who really has their back, it is UPDF. Uganda is the only country that has faced SAF, with the SAF coming second best on all ocassions. Like the 1997 10km-long Yei-Morobi road ambush in which 1,000 were dispatched to the afterlife and 18 MBTs captured. Or the Jan 1997 downing of two MiGs and an Antonov which banished the SAF indiscriminate bombing hundreds of kilometers beyond Juba. How about the pre-emptive strike at Lelabur that captured 114 SAF and killed 60.

Some of these battles are documented here;
http://www.enteruganda.com/brochures/ss05.html

Actions speak louder than words.

KDF is not the UPDF as I keep postulating here

Damn right buddy, UPDF is not KDF.

I Thought UG could thrown into the mix too and especially M7 who would relish the opportunity to settle some old scores with his northern foe......M7 does not endear himself as a peace-enforcer in this region.

It's just business, and state business at that. Nothing personal between M7 and Al Bashir.
UG has for long battled the LRA and ADF, which were supported by Sudan. The two terrorist outfits were killing innocent Ugandans. Taking out terrorists (and those who support them if they join forces) doesn't come across as a personal vendetta to me.

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 13:30

Spartan wrote:
.. the 1997 10km-long Yei-Morobi road ambush in which 1,000 were dispatched to the afterlife and 18 MBTs captured. Or the Jan 1997 downing of two MiGs and an Antonov which banished the SAF indiscriminate bombing hundreds of kilometers beyond Juba. How about the pre-emptive strike at Lelabur that captured 114 SAF and killed 60.

UG has for long battled the LRA and ADF, which were supported by Sudan. The two terrorist outfits were killing innocent Ugandans. .

I have grave doubts you and i could ever agree on the general movements of the Sun, brother Spartan. I don't however resent that at all, it is spices to the broth methinks. But your sentiments above acutely validate my contention why ''peace enforcement'' in response to Egress of Sudan into the GoSS cannot and will not involve you at all - there is too much history between yourself and Bashir as to make nonsense any pretensions of neutrality of the Intervention Force. You step in, and most likely Misri will be drawn in too - very much like your earlier intervention into the DRC which brought in all manner of players essentially because your intentions impelling your intervention were suspect. Whoever goes in must have credibility of neutrality - which you definitely lack. The objective would be to stop the egress and force negotiations concurrently and subsequently, not to wage a open-large-full-scale war on Sudan.

I have a good measure of appreciation of your contact-history with the Sudanese Army, btw.

countersniper Tue Jan 31 2012, 15:14

ole Nkarei wrote:1. Major Samuel Keli Kavindu - Joint Helicopter Command
2. Major Kizito Wahiza Nyamohanga - Joint Helicopter Command
3. Lieutenant K.A Webi - 1st Kenya Rifles
4. Lieutenant Edward Okoyo - 3rd Kenya Rifles
5. Lieutenant Raymond Kirui - 7th Kenya Rifles
6. Lieutenant Evans Kipkorir Ngetich - 76th Armoured Recce Battalion
7. Corporal Francis Imenyi Languchia - Joint Helicopter Command
8. Corporal Francis Muli Solovea - Joint Helicopter Command
9. Corporal Noel Kipkurgat Kipkosiam - Joint Helicopter Command
10. Lance Corporal Willie Njoroge -1st Kenya Rifles
11. Bombardier Edward Kiboi Mugo – 77th Arty
12. Gunner Kevin Mgogoyo Wamai – 77th Arty,
13. Gunner Philip Onyango – 77th Arty
14. Private Yusuf Abdullah Korio - 15th Kenya Rifles
15. Private Ronald Kipkemboi Kiptui - 7th Kenya Rifles

Couple more of the SOR... Now these fine chaps break out chilled Malt Tusker with Alexander, Rommell , Zukhov, Moshe Dayan, Kimathi, Custer, George Patton,............

my salutes to the heroic men who have died in action for their country.we hope they have not died in vain.
On second thoughts...just wondering why of the 21 known dead kdf so far almost 50% are commissioned officers and other NCOs?
seems to high even though the first group of kdf of officers to die was a result of that HELICOPTER CRASH last year .

And herewith another red herring report from STRATEGIC inteligence news..saying kenya is rearming massively
what are these newer attack helicopters mentioned here again ??

http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=1540

Spartan Tue Jan 31 2012, 16:57

"I have grave doubts you and i could ever agree on the general movements of the Sun, brother Spartan."

Afande, you know we've agreed more than we've disagreed within these pages. Granted, our disagreements, as and when they come, are very sharp. Funny thing is, sometimes we agree with each other without realizing it, like on the points you made below;

"But your sentiments above acutely validate my contention why ''peace enforcement'' in response to Egress of Sudan into the GoSS cannot and will not involve you at all... Whoever goes in must have credibility of neutrality - which you definitely lack."

You are right when you say we lack neutrality, and we make no attempts to hide our dislike for the regime in Khartoum. But it is laughable for anyone to claim Kenya is neutral in this. Kenya's support of GoSS is open for all to see (I was there during their declaration of Independence and was impressed by the logistical support you gave them, especially at Juba Airport). The whole world followed the MV Faina cargo by satellite until it crossed the border, to you know where. For the doubters, a link here;

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/satellite-uncovers-pirate-weapons-haul/

As for 'peace enforcement' I doubt there would be any peace to enforce once open hostilities are declared. But never mind, we do not have to be invited or to mobilise, UPDF has a sizable presence in South Sudan, and in C.A.R in case we have to flank

countersniper Tue Jan 31 2012, 17:34

[quote="countersniper"]

ole Nkarei wrote:1. Major Samuel Keli Kavindu - Joint Helicopter Command
2. Major Kizito Wahiza Nyamohanga - Joint Helicopter Command
3. Lieutenant K.A Webi - 1st Kenya Rifles
4. Lieutenant Edward Okoyo - 3rd Kenya Rifles
5. Lieutenant Raymond Kirui - 7th Kenya Rifles
6. Lieutenant Evans Kipkorir Ngetich - 76th Armoured Recce Battalion
7. Corporal Francis Imenyi Languchia - Joint Helicopter Command
8. Corporal Francis Muli Solovea - Joint Helicopter Command
9. Corporal Noel Kipkurgat Kipkosiam - Joint Helicopter Command
10. Lance Corporal Willie Njoroge -1st Kenya Rifles
11. Bombardier Edward Kiboi Mugo – 77th Arty
12. Gunner Kevin Mgogoyo Wamai – 77th Arty,
13. Gunner Philip Onyango – 77th Arty
14. Private Yusuf Abdullah Korio - 15th Kenya Rifles
15. Private Ronald Kipkemboi Kiptui - 7th Kenya Rifles

Couple more of the SOR... Now these fine chaps break out chilled Malt Tusker with Alexander, Rommell , Zukhov, Moshe Dayan, Kimathi, Custer, George Patton,............

my salutes to the heroic men who have died in action for their country.we hope they have not died in vain.
On second thoughts...just wondering why of the 21 known dead kdf so far almost 50% are commissioned officers and other NCOs?
seems to high even though the first group of kdf of officers to die was a result of that HELICOPTER CRASH last year .

And herewith another red herring report from STRATEGIC inteligence news..saying kenya is rearming massively
what are these newer attack helicopters mentioned here again ??

countersniper Tue Jan 31 2012, 17:37

Spartan wrote:"I have grave doubts you and i could ever agree on the general movements of the Sun, brother Spartan."

Afande, you know we've agreed more than we've disagreed within these pages. Granted, our disagreements, as and when they come, are very sharp. Funny thing is, sometimes we agree with each other without realizing it, like on the points you made below;

"But your sentiments above acutely validate my contention why ''peace enforcement'' in response to Egress of Sudan into the GoSS cannot and will not involve you at all... Whoever goes in must have credibility of neutrality - which you definitely lack."

You are right when you say we lack neutrality, and we make no attempts to hide our dislike for the regime in Khartoum. But it is laughable for anyone to claim Kenya is neutral in this. Kenya's support of GoSS is open for all to see (I was there during their declaration of Independence and was impressed by the logistical support you gave them, especially at Juba Airport). The whole world followed the MV Faina cargo by satellite until it crossed the border, to you know where. For the doubters, a link here;

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/07/satellite-uncovers-pirate-weapons-haul/

As for 'peace enforcement' I doubt there would be any peace to enforce once open hostilities are declared. But never mind, we do not have to be invited or to mobilise, UPDF has a sizable presence in South Sudan, and in C.A.R in case we have to flank

spartan i hate to disappoint you..but the story you have linked is nothing but pure speculation.
simple as that.nothing concrete as evidence has been shown.
those pictures are kenyan army assorted equipment at kahawa garisson nairobi

Spartan Tue Jan 31 2012, 18:10

@ countersniper, hayo ni maneno yako. There are so many things of which there is no evidence, but we believe in them nevertheless,take God for example.

Plausible Deniability:The ability of a party or actor to avoid blowback by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party, who is usually difficult to connect to the main player.

Thanks for the denial anyways (though it was expected)

Olekoima Tue Jan 31 2012, 18:27

Spartan wrote:@ countersniper, hayo ni maneno yako. There are so many things of which there is no evidence, but we believe in them nevertheless,take God for example.

Plausible Deniability:The ability of a party or actor to avoid blowback by secretly arranging for an action to be taken on their behalf by a third party, who is usually difficult to connect to the main player.

Thanks for the denial anyways (though it was expected)

Funny thing though is that there are T-72 tanks in Kenyan arsenal as well as with GOSS. How all these were acquired and supplied is another matter. The arms trade can at times be a mind bongling affair.

Spartan Tue Jan 31 2012, 18:48

There's no need to play 'neutral' with a country which deliberately bombs civilians. Ugandans in the North suffered the same fate before 1997. See pics of men, women and children in 'bomb shelters' from the Nuba Mountains taken last year

Kenya Defence Force - Page 25 50%2Bprodent%2Bsmaller%2BAerial%2BThreat%2B2-719864

Kenya Defence Force - Page 25 50%2Bprodent%2Bsmaller%2BAerial%2BThreat%2B2-719864

Kenya Defence Force - Page 25 50%2Bprocent%2Bsmaler%2BAerial%2BThreat%2B1-721287

@olekoima, this is a tank outside the residence of the governor of Unity State. And yeah, it looks like a T-72

Kenya Defence Force - Page 25 5246520129_1d9b852258_b

Kenya Defence Force - Page 25 5246520129_1d9b852258_b

Olekoima Tue Jan 31 2012, 19:19

@Spartan,

I agree, but look at this one too. Also a T-72 isn't it?

Olekoima Tue Jan 31 2012, 19:21

Kenya Defence Force - Page 25 Vickersmk31

But this one is clearly a Vickers MBT.

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 20:12

Spartan wrote:There's no need to play 'neutral' with a country which deliberately bombs civilians. Ugandans in the North suffered the same fate before 1997. See pics of men, women and children in 'bomb shelters' from the Nuba Mountains taken last year

@olekoima, this is a tank outside the residence of the governor of Unity State. And yeah, it looks like a T-72

Spartan, you in G2, man? You build your legends pretty tight for a ground hog.

Yeah, that is a T-72s, one of the 67 Units that sneeked into Juba just after the CPA - not through Kenya, mind you. The Faina dropped 33 Units T-72AVs for KDF-Armored Corps ( the sixth clandestine drop of roughly equal consignments), not for GoSS, but another 32 Units T-72s for GoSS came in before the Faina was blown!!

Alafu, Spartan?

A bit clearer, Olekoima?

jasiri Tue Jan 31 2012, 20:29

One thing i have come to conclude is that the SIN website is either owned or operated by a Kenyan spook. Look at the care the guy takes in posting details "Kenya has acquired new helicopters, Kenya has acquired new surface to surface missiles" never mentions the type, quantity nor country of origin. . .and his info always checks out! coz i can personally vouch for d bugger on the artillery pieces.

@Ole Nkarei, Cyclone isn't a crane in the making. i can't help but think you somehow draw equals between the two.

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 21:02

@Ole Nkarei, Cyclone isn't a crane in the making. i can't help but think you somehow draw equals between the two.

I think cyclon represents 'to an extent' the future of Kenya. We have to see ourselves as an industrialized nation in 10 or so years. We need the 'cyclons' of this world to come back and use what they have learnt out there and make Kenya what it is supposed to be. A first world country. We need to stem brain drain. China is China today coz they can duplicate(sometimes with slight modifications) almost anything. Someone told me if you want to introduce a new product in the market and can't manage to produce it just go to China with the prototype. They will give you what you want.

So cyclon get what you can get there and come and be of use here. Teach others to do it also. So you can't afford to be average. I think you may need to join the military though. Not sure whether you can design/develop military hardware while still a citizen.

Kenya needs to work towards self sustenance. It is unbelievable we still import foodstuffs in the 21st century. We import electricity while the whole of north eastern Kenya experiences sunshine throughout the year for eg.

For the guy trying to make a plane from a Toyota engine; I believe it is good job. He really has a lot of ground to cover though. I however like the fact that he has tried. It goes to show that it is not impossible. The Wright brothers started somewhere.

Guest Tue Jan 31 2012, 21:06

jasiri wrote:One thing i have come to conclude is that the SIN website is either owned or operated by a Kenyan spook. Look at the care the guy takes in posting details "Kenya has acquired new helicopters, Kenya has acquired new surface to surface missiles" never mentions the type, quantity nor country of origin. . .and his info always checks out! coz i can personally vouch for d bugger on the artillery pieces.

@Ole Nkarei, Cyclone isn't a crane in the making. i can't help but think you somehow draw equals between the two.

Hey, Jas, you know we have the largest formal & informal Sammy-Settlement in Africa. Along with Sammy comes his cousins, and the Chinese and the Ruskies, not to mention the emerging economies of Brazil, India not far behind them. It is a veritable mine-field of espionage, little bra. All avaricious eyes on Kenyana. SIN isn't a formal Intel Website, but certainly is a facet of one formal Outfit or another. Definitely not KDF / Official Kenyan.

Oh, Cylon isn't Spartan I have no doubts, but very akin in their thought-projection, a bit like with Vitruvian and Mekatilili!!

cylon Tue Jan 31 2012, 23:59

ole Nkarei wrote:!@Cylon - surely you write in jest, Kenyan! And if you not so, then to suggest with a straight face that GoK funds that crazy can-with-rotors in concepting a homegrown replacement for the Z-9w and MD500, as you have, is to do great disservice to our cracked ribs!!! Mashaa and ole-sidai were ribbing you, mate.

Sorry sir if i was a little bit overwheling. but i dont agree with you there that Gok shouldnt fund the guy. he is optimistic person to design a plane from the equipment he had its a marvel he just needs a little oversight( technicians, equipment, workforce, engineer, funding and a design) before he can be able to make a successful model that would one day replace foreign hardware with our own. Also Colonel i do not want to see kenyan blood spilt in kismayu i was just trying to clarify the need of an shock and awe campaign IM not like crane, spartan, who want KDF to fail like they did capturing mogadishu i have the upmost respect of the Soliders and to you sir.also my grandfather and father were in KDF back in the day used to tell me stories of the Mau Mau, how he served with the british soliders in somalia during world war 2 and how he was dispatched to fight for britishs lands in japan agression and how he and my father both went to patrol northeastern during the shifta wars so i respect KDF.

@ twigi thanks for the support i was stating that kenya would have formidable jets and equipments that could rival all the armies in africa Like space defense we have been blessed with our own space port but its used by international powers if kenya could purchase that we could send Risasi (LOL ) into
space as the first kenyan to do so i even have desgins of the
spacecraft and mission would be the first african country to land on the
moon and mine an asteroid i know this might be to much but as we know
it kenyans can achieve anything

Risasi Wed Feb 01 2012, 11:44

Nkerai wrote:Oh, Cylon isn't Spartan I have no doubts, but very akin in their thought-projection, a bit like with Vitruvian and Mekatilili!!.

a Rib breaker. Laughing

@cyclon hhhehee so you want to send me to space to land on the Sun at night ……hehheh I don,t have the required Hours …. Embarassed

matter pertaining servicing let alone building an aircrafts is very complex….from the clip, the inventor Is struggling with basic aircraft building problem , strength vs weight of the structure . he needs to solve that before getting a reliable and power sufficient Toyota Dx engines. The aircraft has to be light yet strong.

Secondly the Toyota Probox DX or Land cruise engines whichever suit him ,would give him the required ground speed of about100km/hr for an aircraft the size of a Cessna 140 (similar to his) to get required wing lift , thats all that. Probox can,t give him the sufficient power to pull him into the clouds after lifting. Solution get Aviation Gasoline fuel, a high octane version fuel similar to motor vehicle gasoline as a powerful propellant .

I will post my personal take off video clips I took for junior, so as you to get the feel for a need of ground speed and power/thrust in order to soar into the sky.

@Jasiri watch the clips piece by piece … take you time. The clips are for strengtning you during these complex and rigorous time .. a bloger talked about a website that has the full clip …..Contact/check him out and Work in tandem to get yourself a copy.

2nd I will post you the name a “6 week RAF Documentary” , the real 10yard,on fast jet training and evaluating from the Tucano to Hawk to the Tornado GR4.
Similar training modules as KAF. You will get the first hand view on what separate combat and Military Cargo pilots……..

Extra toppings ……..on the North vs GoSS., the north perceive that IGAD ( KDf, UPDF or Ethiopia ) can,t conduct multiple theaters i.e Somalia and also help the GoSS,its the right time for them to poke around pending issues. Let’s cross our finger and pray that GoSS wouldn’t fall into that trap coz Any land or natural resources lost/occupied in war remains/belongs to the occupying army until a UN resolution is passed . The northerns are gearing up to capture as match as possible land from GoSS in an event of war.

Guest Wed Feb 01 2012, 14:16

I am not exactly a newbie here, just been sitting on the fence for a little while now. During the Siadd Barre regime it is said that he had give out the rights to explore n drill oil to various oil corporations. How will this play out once Somalia has been pacified. Here is the link gentlemen http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl/noframes/read/15 In other news there are rumors of high ranked mole on OLN can anybody confirm?

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