Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Spartan wrote:

Analyst wrote:Spartan...i beg to differ

Your answer is in reference to this article (U.S Opening More Spies and Drone Bases in Africa, SIN-/?p=2516)

U.S Opening More Spies and Drone Bases in Africa

Strategic Intelligence reports presence of Swiss made unmarked turboprop planes fitted with state of the art cameras and sensors in East and Central Africa. According to the intelligence, these planes fly thousands of miles between bases. The planes models are the single-engine Pilatus PC-12s, small passenger and cargo planes manufactured in Switzerland (Defense News)

Bro, I don't read S.I.N articles. I was only reacting to your assertion, which you swallowed hook, line and sinker from SIN, copied and pasted here , that Uganda and other countries were to receive ISR-capable planes. Which begs the question, are you and the S.I.N author one and the same?

I read the article from source, The Washington Post here.

With you on that Bro Spartan. Analyst is one and the same S.I.Nner and the official distributor of S.I.N propaganda on this forum as Crane once put it…we had our doubts but as days go by the picture is become clear.

SINNER SIN....Blah...blah...blah...

It hardly adds up to anything of value i beg O!

Analyst is just Analyst.....and SIN is good at his sins....

Its almost more than half an year and no one knows SIN and his origin....

My question is simple and very clear...

Uganda is getting too much hardware....what do you think of it?

Flying Crane wrote:Save me another day Jasiri and tempest. The info you have (tempest) posted doesn,t indicate a consignment of 93 aircrafts and 8 warship. I want cylone or cylon or whatever his botanical name is, to produce that info which reflects his posting.
The web links that you posted cyclone send us to the Spri homepage no such data.
are you trying to be stupid or something.

@ Cycoh 'DUDUS' you don,t want to mess with me today …ok

Below is the authentic Sipri report posted by Tempest .

tempest wrote:Here is what was bought

Mr. Flying Crane i know you're stay in the jungle hunting Kony has degraded some of those necessary skills to research data for yourself but okay lets clear this up(No offense)

Okay the data tempest posted is from the UN Register with clearly states the acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Now SPIRI which is a dependable website in my eyes posted conflicting reports of the total acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Navy and army. Which i took as reliable data( this was before i checked the UN registry) since people take those websites seriously. Now the reason i posted SPIRI is because i saw the data on a newspaper and i went to investigate and saw the data was similar from article so i posted it here to see if the KDF brass would confirm the legality of the data(which they did), I didnt know it would spark some kind of inferiority complex from you soldier, why does it bother you if the KDF acquires superior weapons??????


Anyway thanx Jasiri.

Ole Nakeri heard reports that the 78th tank battalion in Isiolo was getting an upgrade is there any truth to this story????


@Analyst i know who you are but im not going to blow you're cover since i think you are awesome lol

Some of these might help explain the confusion:-

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1975 to 2011

Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL . The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database

Information generated: 22 June 2012






Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments






China

R: Kenya 6 Y-12 Light transport ac 1996 1997 (6)

6 Y-12 Light transport ac (1999) 2000 6

32 WZ-551 APC (2006) 2007 32

(4) AS-365/AS-565 Panther Helicopter 2009 2010 (4) Z-9WA armed version




France

R: Kenya 4 SA-330 Puma Helicopter 1976 1976-1977 (4)

2 SA-342 Gazelle Light helicopter (1976) 1977 2

(400) MILAN Anti-tank missile (1980) 1980 (400) Deal incl also 40 launchers

(20) Otomat-2 Anti-ship missile (1984) 1987 (20) For Province (Nyayo) FAC

67 AML-60/90 Armoured car 1988 1989 67 $60 m deal; incl 37 AML-60 and 30 AML-90

1 P-400 Patrol craft 2011 2011 1 Ex-French




Germany (FRG)

R: Kenya 6 Do-28D Skyservant Light transport ac 1977 1977-1978 (6)

(52) UR-416 APC (1977) 1978-1980 (52)

2 Do-28D Skyservant Light transport ac (1979) 1980 2

1 Bo-105C Light helicopter 1990 1990 1 For police




Israel

R: Kenya (30) Gabriel-2 Anti-ship missile (1981) 1982-1983 (30) For modernized Brooke-32m (Madaraka) and Brooke-37.5m (Mamba) patrol craft




Italy

R: Kenya 3 Orion RTN-10X Fire control radar (1973) 1975 3 For 3 Brooke-32m (Madaraka) patrol craft from UK

2 Compact 76mm Naval gun (1984) 1987 2 For 2 Province (Nyayo) FAC from UK

2 Compact 76mm Naval gun (1996) 1997 (2) For 2 Shujaa patrol craft from Spain




Jordan

R: Kenya 15 F-5E Tiger-2 FGA aircraft (2007) 2010 15 Ex-Jordanian; KES1.5-1.6 b ($23 m) deal; incl 2-3 F-5F




Russia

R: Kenya 3 Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter 2010 2010 3 Mi-171E version




South Africa

R: Kenya (67) Puma M-26 APC 2010 2011 (35) KES1.6 b ($20 m) deal




Spain

R: Kenya 2 Shujaa Patrol craft (1992) 1997 2

2 Galana Landing ship 1994 1994 2




UK

R: Kenya 3 Brooke-32m Patrol craft 1973 1975 3 Kenyan designation Madaraka

9 Bulldog Trainer aircraft (1975) 1976-1977 (9) Bulldog-127 version

(38) MBT Mk-3 Tank 1977 1979-1980 (38)

3 MBT Mk-3/ARV ARV 1977 1979-1980 (3)

(30) Sea Cat SAM 1977 1978 (30) Tigercat version

(38) MBT Mk-3 Tank 1978 1981-1982 (38)

4 MBT Mk-3/ARV ARV 1978 1981-1982 (4)

12 Hawk-50 Trainer/combat ac 1979 1980-1982 (12) $40 m deal; Hawk Mk-52 version

(100) Swingfire Anti-tank missile 1979 1979 (100) Deal also incl 8 to 14 launchers

( Shorland APV (1980) 1980 (

4 GCM-AO3 30mm Naval gun (1981) 1982-1983 4 For modernization of 3 Brooke-32m (Madaraka) and 1 Brooke-37.5m (Mamba) patrol craft to FAC

40 L-118 105mm Towed gun 1981 1983-1984 (40)

2 Province FAC 1984 1987 2 Kenyan designation Nyayo

12 EMB-312 Tucano Trainer aircraft 1988 1990-1991 12 Tucano T-51 version




USA

R: Kenya (100) AGM-65 Maverick ASM (1976) 1978 (100) For F-5E combat aircraft

(75) AIM-9J/P Sidewinder SRAAM (1976) 1978 (75) For F-5E combat aircraft; AIM-9J version

12 F-5E Tiger-2 FGA aircraft 1976 1977-1978 12 $75 m deal; incl 2 F-5F

83 12V-71 Diesel engine 1977 1979-1982 (83) For 83 MBT Mk-3 tanks from UK

(2100) BGM-71 TOW Anti-tank missile 1979 1980-1981 (2100) $12 m deal; for Hughes-500MD helicopters

15 Hughes-500D/MD Light helicopter 1979 1980 15 Part of $32 m deal; Hughes-500MD armed version

15 Hughes-500MD-TOW Combat helicopter 1979 1981 15 Part of $32 m deal

2 Hughes-500/OH-6A Light helicopter 1979 1981 2 Part of $32 m deal; for training; Hughes-500M version

2 F-5E Tiger-2 FGA aircraft 1980 1982 2 $14 m deal; F-5F version

1 PA-31 Navajo Light transport ac 1980 1980 1 For VIP transport; PA-31-350 Navajo Chieftain version

8 MD-500E Light helicopter (1984) 1985 ( Part of $3 m aid

12 TPE-331 Turboprop 1988 1990-1991 12 For 12 EMB-312 (Tucano T-51) trainer aircraft from UK

(67) B5.9 Diesel engine 2010 2011 (35) For 67 Puma M-26 APC from South Africa

This is what we have for Uganda:-

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1975 to 2011

Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL . The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database

Information generated: 22 June 2012






Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments






China

R: Uganda 2 Y-12 Light transport ac (2007) 2008 2 Y-12-IV version




Israel

R: Uganda 18 Model-839 155mm Towed gun (2002) 2002 18 Designation uncertain; possibly ex-Israeli

(3) ATMOS-2000 155mm Self-propelled gun 2003 2005 3 $5 m deal

(3) ATMOS-2000 155mm Self-propelled gun 2008 2009 3

(18) CARDOM 120mm Self-propelled mortar 2008 2009 18




Italy

R: Uganda 6 Bell-412 Helicopter 1982 1985-1989 (6) AB-412SP version

3 SF-260 Trainer aircraft 1987 1988 3 SF-260W armed version




Libya

R: Uganda (20) M-30 122mm Towed gun (1975) 1975 (20) Probably ex-Lybian

(10) T-34/85 Tank (1976) 1976 (10) Supplier uncertain; second-hand

3 Bell-206/OH-58 Light helicopter (1986) 1987 3 Ex-Libyan; AB-206A (Bell-206A) version

3 L-39Z Albatros Trainer/combat ac (1986) 1987 3 Ex-Libyan; L-39ZA version

(2) SF-260 Trainer aircraft 1987 1987 2 Ex-Libyan; aid; SF-260W armed version




Poland

R: Uganda 7 MiG-21bis/Fishbed-N Fighter aircraft (1998) 1999 7 Ex-Polish; deal worth $8.5 m (to fund Polish Su-22 modernization programme); incl 1 MiG-21UM trainer version; modernized in Israel after delivery




Russia

R: Uganda (1) Mi-8MT/Mi-17/Hip-H Helicopter (1998) 1998 (1) Second-hand; supplier uncertain

(3) Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter (2003) 2004 (3) Ex-Russian Mi-24P modernized to Mi-24PN before delivery

(23) T-55AM-2 Tank 2009 2009 23 Ex-Russian; delivered via Belarus

1000 9M133 Kornet/AT-14 Anti-tank missile 2010 Kornet-E version

(100) KAB-500/1500 Guided Bomb 2010 2011 (50) For Su-30 combat aircraft

(25) Kh-31A1/AS-17 Anti-ship missile 2010 2011 (10) Kh-31P anti-radar version

(75) R-73/AA-11 Archer SRAAM (2010) 2011 (35) For Su-30 combat aircraft

(50) RVV-AE/AA-12 Adder BVRAAM (2010) For Su-30 combat aircraft; status uncertain

(6) Su-30MK/Flanker FGA aircraft 2010 2011 (4) UGX1.8 tr ($635 m) deal; Su-30MK2 version; delivery 2011-2012

31 T-90S Tank 2010




South Africa

R: Uganda 10 Mamba APC (1994) 1995 10

15 RG-31 Nyala APC 1998 2002 15

(5) Mamba APC (2003) 2004 5

31 Buffel APC (2004) 2005 31 Ex-South African

6 GILA APC (2009) 2009 6 For police; financed by Canada; for use by peacekeepers in Darfur




UK

R: Uganda 1 Bell-47/OH-13 Light helicopter 1982 1982 1 Second-hand; for police; Bell-47G/Sioux AH-1 version




Ukraine

R: Uganda (2) BTS ARV (1994) 1995 2 Ex-Ukrainian; BTS-4 version

(60) T-55 Tank (1994) 1995 60 Ex-Ukrainian

(62) T-55 Tank (1998) 1998 62 Ex-Ukrainian; sold via Bulgaria in $35 m deal for 90 incl some from Bulgaria and possibly Romania

1 Mi-24P/Hind-F Combat helicopter 1999 1999 1 Ex-Ukranian; bought as modernized but found not to be

(31) BMP-2 IFV (2003) 2004-2005 31 Ex-Ukrainian

1 MiG-21bis/Fishbed-N Fighter aircraft (2005) 2006 1 Ex-Ukrainian

(300) 5V27/SA-3B Goa SAM 2008 2010-2011 (150) Probably ex-Ukrainian; possibly modernized before delivery; for S-125-2D SAM systems

4 S-125-2D/SA-3 SAM system 2008 2010-2011 (2) Ex-Ukrainian S-125 (SA-3) rebuilt to S-125-2D




USA

R: Uganda 3 Bell-214 Helicopter (1981) 1982 (3)

3 Bell-206/OH-58 Light helicopter (1982) 1982 (3) Bell-206B version




USSR

R: Uganda (50) BTR-152 APC 1973 1973-1975 (50) Ex-Soviet

(50) BTR-40 APC 1973 1973-1975 (50) Ex-Soviet

(50) PT-76 Light tank (1973) 1974-1975 (50) Possibly ex-Soviet

(100) Strela-2/SA-7 Grail Portable SAM (1973) 1975 (100)

(200) 9M14M/AT-3 Sagger Anti-tank missile (1974) 1975 (200) For BRDM-2 tank destroyers

(100) BRDM-2 Reconnaissance AV (1974) 1975 (100)

12 MiG-21MF/Fishbed-J Fighter aircraft (1974) 1975 12 Probably ex-Soviet; financed by Libya and other Arab states

(75) R-13S/AA-2 Atoll SRAAM (1974) 1975 (75) For MiG-21F combat aicraft

16 T-54 Tank 1974 1975 16 Probably ex-Soviet

(2) Mi-8T/Hip-C Helicopter (1975) 1975 2

(10) BM-21 Grad 122mm Self-propelled MRL (1976) 1977 (10)

(7) MiG-21MF/Fishbed-J Fighter aircraft 1976 1976 (7) Ex-Soviet

(6) Mi-8T/Hip-C Helicopter (1987) 1987 (6) Second-hand

And something for Tanzania too:-

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1975 to 2011

Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL . The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database

Information generated: 22 June 2012






Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments






China

R: Tanzania 4 Type-025/Huchuan FAC 1975 1975 4

(30) Type-63 Light tank (1976) 1977-1979 (30)

(25) BTR-152 APC (1979) 1979 (25) Ex-Chinese; Type-56 version

(12) F-7A Fighter aircraft 1980 1981 (12) F-7A version; incl 2 FT-7 version

(20) M-30 122mm Towed gun (1982) 1982 (20) Type-54-1 version

(5) BT-6/CJ-6 Trainer aircraft (1985) 1986 (5) BT-6A version

2 Type-062/Shanghai Patrol craft (1991) 1992 2 Shanghai-2 version

2 Y-12 Light transport ac (1994) 1994 2

2 Y-8 Transport aircraft (2002) 2003 2 Y-8F-200 version

(4) ZFB-05 APC (2005) 2006-2007 (4)

(2) K-8 Karakorum-8 Trainer/combat ac (2008) 2009 2 Designation uncertain; possibly F-7MG

(30) Type-59G Tank (2010) 2011 (3)

(10) WZ-551 APC (2010) 2011 (1)




East Germany (GDR)

R: Tanzania (32) T-54 Tank (1979) 1979-1980 (32) Supplier uncertain; probably ex-GDR




Italy

R: Tanzania 2 Bell-206/OH-58 Light helicopter (1976) 1977 2 AB-206B (Bell-206B) version

4 Bell-205/UH-1H Helicopter (1978) 1979 4 AB-205A version

(4) Bell-412 Helicopter (2004) 2005-2006 (4) $20 m deal




South Africa

R: Tanzania (5) Casspir APC (2008) 2009 (5) Second-hand; supplier uncertain; financed by USA for peacekeeping




UK

R: Tanzania 3 HS-748 Transport aircraft 1976 1977-1978 (3)

(36) Scorpion Light tank 1978 1979-1980 (36) No. could be 40

(4) MBT Mk-3/ARV ARV (1988) 1989 (4)

1 Watchman Air search radar 2001 2003 1 Part of $40-50 m deal; incl for civilian use




USA

R: Tanzania 2 Cessna-411 Light transport ac (1981) 1981 2 Cessna-404 version

(4) 12V-71 Diesel engine (1988) 1989 (4) For 4 MBT Mk-3 ARV from UK




USSR

R: Tanzania (50) BM-21 Grad 122mm Self-propelled MRL (1976) 1977-1978 (50)

(75) 5V27/SA-3B Goa SAM (1977) 1978-1979 (75)

(2) S-125M/SA-3B SAM system (1977) 1978-1979 (2) No. could be between 1 and 5

(200) Strela-2/SA-7 Grail Portable SAM (1977) 1977-1978 (200)

(5) 2K12 Kvadrat/SA-6A SAM system (1978) 1979 (5)

(300) 3M9/SA-6 Gainful SAM (1978) 1979 (300)

(40) BRDM-2 Reconnaissance AV (1978) 1978-1979 (40)

(20) D-30 122mm Towed gun (1978) 1979 (20) Supplier uncertain

(100) M-30 122mm Towed gun (1978) 1978-1981 (100) Supplier uncertain; probably ex-Soviet

(1) P-12/Spoon Rest Air search radar (1978) 1979 (1) For use with SA-6 SAM systems

(1) PRV-9/Thin Skin Height-finding radar (1978) 1979 (1) Part of 1 SA-6a/2K12 Krug SAM regiment

(50) M-46 130mm Towed gun (1980) 1980-1981 (50) Ex-Soviet

Please note that the above lists are not exhaustive. I have not included deliveries from all the suppliers eg the buffalos to Kenya from Canada nor the Pumas from Romania. The same goes for the Ugandan and Tanzanian list.

And who said African countries(those who do not manufacture like S. Africa ) cannot sell arms to one another? Look at this:-

Transfers of major conventional weapons: sorted by supplier. Deals with deliveries or orders made for year range 1980 to 2011

Note: The ‘No. delivered/produced’ and the ‘Year(s) of deliveries’ columns refer to all deliveries since the beginning of the contract. Deals in which the recipient was involved in the production of the weapon system are listed separately. The ‘Comments’ column includes publicly reported information on the value of the deal. Information on the sources and methods used in the collection of the data, and explanations of the conventions, abbreviations and acronyms, can be found at URL . The SIPRI Arms Transfers Database is continuously updated as new information becomes available.

Source: SIPRI Arms Transfers Database

Information generated: 22 June 2012






Supplier/ Year Year(s) No.
recipient (R) No. Weapon Weapon of order/ of delivered/
or licenser (L) ordered designation description licence deliveries produced Comments






Kenya

R: Botswana 4 Strikemaster Trainer/combat ac (1990) 1991-1993 (4) Ex-Kenyan; Strikemaster Mk-87 version

Zimbabwe 5 Hunter FGA aircraft 1981 1981 5 Ex-Kenyan; sold via UK company; incl 1 T-7 trainer version

cylon wrote:

Flying Crane wrote:Save me another day Jasiri and tempest. The info you have (tempest) posted doesn,t indicate a consignment of 93 aircrafts and 8 warship. I want cylone or cylon or whatever his botanical name is, to produce that info which reflects his posting.
The web links that you posted cyclone send us to the Spri homepage no such data.
are you trying to be stupid or something.

@ Cycoh 'DUDUS' you don,t want to mess with me today …ok

Below is the authentic Sipri report posted by Tempest .

tempest wrote:Here is what was bought

Okay the data tempest posted is from the UN Register with clearly states the acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Now SPIRI which is a dependable website in my eyes posted conflicting reports of the total acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Navy and army. Which i took as reliable data( this was before i checked the UN registry) since people take those websites seriously. Now the reason i posted SPIRI is because i saw the data on a newspaper and i went to investigate and saw the data was similar from article so i posted it here to see if the KDF brass would confirm the legality of the data(which they did), I didnt know it would spark some kind of inferiority complex from you soldier, why does it bother you if the KDF acquires superior weapons??????

Bla Bla bla…. Make the long story short lad . Post us the web
link or zip it up.


Above is a more or less accurate account posted by Olekoima.

FYI. +20 aircrafts (fixed or wing, commercial or military) is
the average figure that Africa imports per annum. A 93 military deal to kE
would have been the last miracle of the millennium. Vatican would be briefed on
it, because as clear as day light the second coming of the messiah will be imminent.

I don’t think you have any thing substantial to say. So why don’t you do everyone a favor by
giving us space to discuses better issues. Go take time to recite your nursery
rhymes .I would suggest you start with Baa Baa black sheep.

Have a nice evening

Flying Crane wrote:

cylon wrote:

Flying Crane wrote:Save me another day Jasiri and tempest. The info you have (tempest) posted doesn,t indicate a consignment of 93 aircrafts and 8 warship. I want cylone or cylon or whatever his botanical name is, to produce that info which reflects his posting.
The web links that you posted cyclone send us to the Spri homepage no such data.
are you trying to be stupid or something.

@ Cycoh 'DUDUS' you don,t want to mess with me today …ok

Below is the authentic Sipri report posted by Tempest .

tempest wrote:Here is what was bought

Okay the data tempest posted is from the UN Register with clearly states the acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Now SPIRI which is a dependable website in my eyes posted conflicting reports of the total acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Navy and army. Which i took as reliable data( this was before i checked the UN registry) since people take those websites seriously. Now the reason i posted SPIRI is because i saw the data on a newspaper and i went to investigate and saw the data was similar from article so i posted it here to see if the KDF brass would confirm the legality of the data(which they did), I didnt know it would spark some kind of inferiority complex from you soldier, why does it bother you if the KDF acquires superior weapons??????

Bla Bla bla…. Make the long story short lad . Post us the web
link or zip it up.


Above is a more or less accurate account posted by Olekoima.

FYI. +20 aircrafts (fixed or wing, commercial or military) is
the average figure that Africa imports per annum. A 93 military deal to kE
would have been the last miracle of the millennium. Vatican would be briefed on
it, because as clear as day light the second coming of the messiah will be imminent.

I don’t think you have any thing substantial to say. So why don’t you do everyone a favor by
giving us space to discuses better issues. Go take time to recite your nursery
rhymes .I would suggest you start with Baa Baa black sheep.

Have a nice evening

how old are you again ? Please try and be civil, even if its not your nature; There are better ways to disagree with people.

Hehe Crane, welcome my brother despite the 'CHAFF n DECOY' !!



As you all know forummers, KDF is a top of the notch proffessinal outfit not by chance, but by its fortitude to understand, analyse, train, execute n project its intent....hence its ability to deliver where others expect them to fail is poetic.

This description is well asserted by the successes in its latest strategies of creating bufferzones of which the first one is nearing completion in S. Sudan n the Azania's reality is also emmanating.

Going by the above facts:

1)Can KDF secure a land in southern Somalia's coast after the Kismayo takedown to set a naval Air Base, n also later train Juba's both navy n air force? I know the Somali Prime minister can provide the land n also, we can sustain the military project.

2)Can we also have another similar venture in S.Sudan?

Sorry for going offtopic.

Flying Crane wrote:

cylon wrote:

Flying Crane wrote:Save me another day Jasiri and tempest. The info you have (tempest) posted doesn,t indicate a consignment of 93 aircrafts and 8 warship. I want cylone or cylon or whatever his botanical name is, to produce that info which reflects his posting.
The web links that you posted cyclone send us to the Spri homepage no such data.
are you trying to be stupid or something.

@ Cycoh 'DUDUS' you don,t want to mess with me today …ok

Below is the authentic Sipri report posted by Tempest .

tempest wrote:Here is what was bought

Okay the data tempest posted is from the UN Register with clearly states the acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Now SPIRI which is a dependable website in my eyes posted conflicting reports of the total acquisition of weapons by the KDF-AF, Navy and army. Which i took as reliable data( this was before i checked the UN registry) since people take those websites seriously. Now the reason i posted SPIRI is because i saw the data on a newspaper and i went to investigate and saw the data was similar from article so i posted it here to see if the KDF brass would confirm the legality of the data(which they did), I didnt know it would spark some kind of inferiority complex from you soldier, why does it bother you if the KDF acquires superior weapons??????

Bla Bla bla…. Make the long story short lad . Post us the web
link or zip it up.


Above is a more or less accurate account posted by Olekoima.

FYI. +20 aircrafts (fixed or wing, commercial or military) is
the average figure that Africa imports per annum. A 93 military deal to kE
would have been the last miracle of the millennium. Vatican would be briefed on
it, because as clear as day light the second coming of the messiah will be imminent.

I don’t think you have any thing substantial to say. So why don’t you do everyone a favor by
giving us space to discuses better issues. Go take time to recite your nursery
rhymes .I would suggest you start with Baa Baa black sheep.

Have a nice evening

You're stay in the jungle is making you delusional mate that you risk you're credibility by reciting nursery rhymes , Snap out of it soldier i know you must be frustrated because you cant seem to find the elusive Kony but dont despair i have hope u will catch him soon . Even you're sarcasm is lame ... I do agree that the data that Olekomia posted is missing a few more procurements... But Let me ask you this why would SIPRI risk it credibility putting up fraudulent data on the kenyan weapons acquisition???? Even if its wrong why do you feel inferior come on mate you Ugandan chaps should be giddy because for the first time in Uganda's history you guys actually control the skies of east/central africa with those gleaming new sukhoi's(My kenyan brothers dont quote me on that) You can now hit targets deep inside their territories and come back home safely thats an achievement mate .

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/KDF+uses+carrot+and+stick+to+kick+the+Shabaab+out+of+key+town/-/1056/1433928/-/item/2/-/m76ibl/-/index.html

I think every military/political observer will admit that KDF is an undisputed professional military force in the region, forget the stories of 'battle gumboot hardened' OLN seems to have been very well planned. My civilian observation is that all other forces that entered Som went and started learning on the ground. KDF has taken time to study the local politics and dynamics/intelligence gathering, thats the essence of a successful battle. This is not bragging, this laying facts on the table. However the sacrifice of our ugandan,burundian,sierra leon, djibouti brothers under AMISOM is much appreciated and cannot be taken lightly. I pray that this spirit spreads in Africa so we come together and solve our own problems. on a different note, this drama between tall thin one and DRC never ceases to amaze!

cylon wrote:You're stay in the jungle is making you delusional mate that you risk you're credibility by reciting nursery rhymes , Snap out of it soldier i know you must be frustrated because you cant seem to find the elusive Kony but dont despair i have hope u will catch him soon . Even you're sarcasm is lame ... I do agree that the data that Olekomia posted is missing a few more procurements... But Let me ask you this why would SIPRI risk it credibility putting up fraudulent data on the kenyan weapons acquisition???? Even if its wrong why do you feel inferior come on mate you Ugandan chaps should be giddy because for the first time in Uganda's history you guys actually control the skies of east/central africa with those gleaming new sukhoi's(My kenyan brothers dont quote me on that) You can now hit targets deep inside their territories and come back home safely thats an achievement mate .

cylon wrote:You're stay in the jungle is making you delusional mate that you risk you're credibility by reciting nursery rhymes lol! , Snap out of it soldier i know you must be frustrated because you cant seem to find the elusive Kony but dont despair i have hope u will catch him soon Smile . Even you're sarcasm is lame Sleep... I do agree that the data that Olekomia posted is missing a few more procurements... But Let me ask you this why would SIPRI risk it credibility putting up fraudulent data on the kenyan weapons acquisition???? Even if its wrong why do you feel inferior come on mate you Ugandan chaps should be giddy because for the first time in Uganda's history you guys actually control the skies of east/central africa with those gleaming new sukhoi's(My kenyan brothers dont quote me on that) You can now hit targets deep inside their territories and come back home safely thats an achievement mate cheers.

The Crane has you exactly where he wants you, dude. In the past I would chastise him for provoking the you guys with random bursts of fire but I now discovered that he serves a good purpose - the decoy that affords me the opportunity to know what those of you whose feathers are he raffles think, his rough edges notwithstanding.

Now over to the SIPRI reports. Does anybody else see the elephant in the room with those reports? I know people will say the reports don't report everything blah blah, which is true because I know equipment and capabilities that Uganda has that are nowhere in those transfers. But the disparities are glaring between what Uganda is known to have and what Kenya has, despite the overwhelming financial allocation KDF gets. I don't want to flog this horse because you know what your capabilities are, and we know ours, even without looking at those SIPRI transfers.

There are no skies to control over East and Central Africa. Skies are only 'controlled' when they are contested, like right now KDF controls the skies of South Somalia and Kismayu area.

But you would know better than to say that because before 1978, Uganda had the largest Airforce in East and Central Africa, curtsey of Amin's delusions of grandeur. You may want to brush up on what happened to the airforce Amin built and compare with Kenya Airforce. And while you are at it, do the maths for a better perspective.

Lest I forget, the Uganda Airforce is most likely to go to war with, not against, the Kenya Airforce.

I have to admit that fridays is always a combative day on this blog. I actaully wondered why till I got myself pushing papers the whole damn week. I guess guys just want to vent out.

I like the article in today's daily nation. It's a good read. it's original unlike the cut and paste dude (JUMA KWAYERA) at standard.

We have been talking lots about military hardware, I just wanna know where we stand when it comes to Cyber warfare or Cyber Weapons.

It's amazing the speed with which we have embraced IT in kenya, which really begs the question how vulnerable have we become, where do we actually stand??? I know we have a few defensive and policing capabilities..... but is it effective?????

Take this scenario for a minute , a seriously well funded, determined, highly motivated and very intelligent group or individual takes an aim at, say MPesa, we know that currently there is a +3 Billion transactions every month and it's going global. say that group makes a move to silently siphon say 50 cents per transactions or effectively shuts down the system or they take an aim at Air traffic control sytems and silently give wrong readings. say they effectively take control of networked systems and shuts them down.

How do we respond????

some good pointer here:

http://defensetech.org/2012/06/20/were-slowly-starting-to-see-u-s-cyber-weapons/#more-17637

http://defensetech.org/2012/05/29/flame-redefines-cyber-espionage/

Kobooz wrote:http://www.nation.co.ke/News/KDF+uses+carrot+and+stick+to+kick+the+Shabaab+out+of+key+town/-/1056/1433928/-/item/2/-/m76ibl/-/index.html

I think every military/political observer will admit that KDF is an undisputed professional military force in the region, forget the stories of 'battle gumboot hardened' OLN seems to have been very well planned. My civilian observation is that all other forces that entered Som went and started learning on the ground. KDF has taken time to study the local politics and dynamics/intelligence gathering, thats the essence of a successful battle. This is not bragging, this laying facts on the table. However the sacrifice of our ugandan,burundian,sierra leon, djibouti brothers under AMISOM is much appreciated and cannot be taken lightly. I pray that this spirit spreads in Africa so we come together and solve our own problems. on a different note, this drama between tall thin one and DRC never ceases to amaze!

Absolutely agreed, @Kabooz.

A few weeks after OLN jumped off and as impatient forummers were expressing justified frustration at the ‘’slow’’ pace of advance to Kismayu, I persistently advised that the Tactical Evolution of OLN was domesticated to a Strategic Picture of a Pacified and fully Integrated Southern Zoomalia which required that the small fully mechanized brigade-size KDF Force with a small SF Contingent was forward-impelled by successful implantation of local administrative & security structures properly entrenched in sanitized areas, to break from the earlier poorly executed headlong rush to Kismayo by the ENDF of 2006.

Our success is self-evident in (i) the close-integration of Indigenous forces and leadership in the KDF mission, (ii) the high local acceptance levels in those areas to the ejection of AS, (iii) the high defection of local cadres of AS in sanitized areas, and (iv) the inability of the AS to wreck havoc behind our lines, which they have so effectively done in ENDF Sector. It is this success that drives the latest Posturing by Amison-TCC – the real possibility of the success of the Objective of OLN , which is a fully Integrated and pacified Buffer-zone extending from Bulla Hawo to Kismayu. Effectively balkanizing Zoomalia (probably for a long time depending on the direction National Dialogue in Zoomalia takes) and finally closing all overt KDF engagement in Zoomalia. Wengine wa-gi-sorti, joo!!

SIPRI collects data from willing sources, and only that which is diverged- the motivation to diverge this information is altruistic and not legalistic. A lot of the conclusion SIPRI proffers is really just ‘’intelligent extrapolation’’ without validation. A hell of a lot of pertinent date falls through SIPRI’s collection net. A lot of Counter Intelligence programs are run through the SIPRI NET too. One must directly validate SIPRI data.

Now about the pretty Crane Bird – I reckon @Spartan has called it right. Alter Ego in some ways, and an effective forummer in no small manner. Well intended too. But, hey Crane, go easy on the young ‘uns, I beg O!!

And yeah, @Spartan, it is unlikely that UPDF-AF and KDF-AF will get jousting over the Kenyana Skies anytime soon. But wanaume hu-chongana, ama? And a little blood may get drawn as they Chongana, no? So, we plan, we prepare. All of us!

@Spartan Thanks comrade.
@ON ok mate I will go easy but let it be known to all..that some post are as good as insult and they are general character assignation to fellow bloggers and visitors at large.
@cyclon. we are here for solid and concrete talks. Keep that in mind.

@risasi. a boys goes down in the Mediterranean fiasco.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18554246

ole Nkarei wrote:

Kobooz wrote:http://www.nation.co.ke/News/KDF+uses+carrot+and+stick+to+kick+the+Shabaab+out+of+key+town/-/1056/1433928/-/item/2/-/m76ibl/-/index.html

I think every military/political observer will admit that KDF is an undisputed professional military force in the region, forget the stories of 'battle gumboot hardened' OLN seems to have been very well planned. My civilian observation is that all other forces that entered Som went and started learning on the ground. KDF has taken time to study the local politics and dynamics/intelligence gathering, thats the essence of a successful battle. This is not bragging, this laying facts on the table. However the sacrifice of our ugandan,burundian,sierra leon, djibouti brothers under AMISOM is much appreciated and cannot be taken lightly. I pray that this spirit spreads in Africa so we come together and solve our own problems. on a different note, this drama between tall thin one and DRC never ceases to amaze!

Absolutely agreed, @Kabooz.

A few weeks after OLN jumped off and as impatient forummers were expressing justified frustration at the ‘’slow’’ pace of advance to Kismayu, I persistently advised that the Tactical Evolution of OLN was domesticated to a Strategic Picture of a Pacified and fully Integrated Southern Zoomalia which required that the small fully mechanized brigade-size KDF Force with a small SF Contingent was forward-impelled by successful implantation of local administrative & security structures properly entrenched in sanitized areas, to break from the earlier poorly executed headlong rush to Kismayo by the ENDF of 2006.

Our success is self-evident in (i) the close-integration of Indigenous forces and leadership in the KDF mission, (ii) the high local acceptance levels in those areas to the ejection of AS, (iii) the high defection of local cadres of AS in sanitized areas, and (iv) the inability of the AS to wreck havoc behind our lines, which they have so effectively done in ENDF Sector. It is this success that drives the latest Posturing by Amison-TCC – the real possibility of the success of the Objective of OLN , which is a fully Integrated and pacified Buffer-zone extending from Bulla Hawo to Kismayu. Effectively balkanizing Zoomalia (probably for a long time depending on the direction National Dialogue in Zoomalia takes) and finally closing all overt KDF engagement in Zoomalia. Wengine wa-gi-sorti, joo!!

@ON
A very interesting reading: "Kismayo is the prize that matters most in the region. If a durable deal can be struck on Kismayo, the rest of the region will be relatively easy to solve. The political challenge for Kenya and any other governments seeking to shape a positive outcome in Kismayo is that regional clans have all advanced very inflated claims about their rights to the port city. These disparate claims have been part of the reason the city has remained so contested for 20 years. There are two approaches to a new political dispensation in Kismayo that are likely to fail, and yet they are the two most likely to attract external support. The first is the “victor’s peace” approach: external acquiescence or support to clan domination of the city, most likely by the Ogaden represented by the Ras Kamboni militia, or a narrow coalition of Ogaden and Marehan clans. If the Ras Kamboni leadership has its way, its militia will help capture the city and will look to build alliances with selected clans, but with these two dominant clans maintaining a controlling interest in the seaport and its revenues. As argued above, this will produce armed resistance from other clans and will play into Shabaab’s hands. Kenya will be accused of supporting a narrow clan agenda linked to powerful Ogaden interests within the Kenyan government, which risks domestic problems in Kenya’s large Somali population as well..."
Read more at=> http://lesleyannewarner.wordpress.com/2012/05/31/the-kdf-finally-takes-afmadow-and-kenya-to-officially-join-amisom/

Does the August 20 deadline really give the KDF enough time to deal with the clan dynamics?

@Mogen.


This Integrated Buffer faces Westwards, away from Crazy Town, as an integral part of Vision 2030 – see the proximity of those Flag-ship projects; the benefits in a rapid rebooting, reconstructing and re-energization from the ruins of civil war are not escaped the Zoomali Players in this Theatre. That the demographies are replicated in both Zoomalia and Kenya is not justification for making those sweeping statements that somehow GoK OLN policy has been subjugated to the interests of these reflected demographies in GoK - another ''white'' lie that Africans are inherently corrupt and substantially incapable of strategising for National Good!! Were Kenyans to undertake a similar interventionist Policy in Tanzania, for instance, would we have to brave such silly accusations by these ignorant Western Desk jockeys about Masai in Gok holding hostage this GoK Policy? Or the Teso in GoK in the event it was Uganda under consideration? Eiish!!

Of course if one peers at this matrix through the clouded prisms of a Western Analyst increasingly sounding like a jilted lover, Kismayu has immediate relevance to the Southern Zoomalia and later to the Zoomalia Federal State – and of course the ‘’savage natives’’ post-Kismayu will revert to type in their usual senseless murderous tit-for-tatting in complete disregard to all other considerations!!!. That is rubbish, and we all know it.

Moreover, the Zoomalia Theatre is going to close one way or the other, there is no longer any more internal energy to fuel continuance – the Zoomali people hunger for peace in whatever form. So, domesticating Jubaland and Gedo to the Socio-politico-economic dynamics of Northern Kenya, South Sudan and Ethiopia (IGAD), as it is intended, the Matrix diametrically changes. These are the justifications for OLN, not the oft stated hijacking of one British Tourist, two foreign NGO foreign workers and an emboldened Militia, which would presuppose a government completely subservient to foreign interests - AS has killed and maimed a great many more Kenyans prior to OLN

OLN wasn’t in planning for a number of years because the KDF needed time to materially prepare for it; the post-Kismayu socio-political engineering demanded it. It is the reason that the Marehan (in TFG) and the Ogadeni (in Ras Kamboni) both ride the KDF Advance and are jointly setting up the Administrative and Security Structures that impell the KDF continued Advance.

Of course there are many imponderables, considering the historically fractious nature of the Tribal Relationships in Zoomalia, but without doubts real progress to develop Marehan / Ogadeni Unity of Purpose post-Kismayo is showing achievement. The others smaller Clans will ride along for the immense benefits of this Marehan / Ogadeni concordance initially which will give respite to the Zoomalia people enough to allow for some National Dialogue and re-engineering of the Federation. GoK will politically and Militarily remain engaged to underwrite and guarantee the Smaller Clans within this confluence of Marehan / Ogadeni Clans - Unlike Sammy and his cousins who enjoy the luxury to withdraw behind their heavily fortified perimeters thousands of Kilometers away from this Theatre, Zoomalia and Kenya are tied at the hips till the sun stops shinning. Ama?!

I am glade to see that most bloggers are in the same page with the uniformed members and see the value on the delayed onslaught.
wapi ile alikuwa nasema we should bomb the area 24hrs from land and sea with heavy artillery, Creeping MBT Tanks,IFV etc? That might have been a counter sniper or jasiri if my memory serves me right.
Kila mtu na kazi yake hata mimi I might have been a bit skeptical, but based on the institution that this man went through I gave him the upper hand.

Risasi wrote:I am glade to see that most bloggers are in the same page with the uniformed members and see the value on the delayed onslaught.
wapi ile alikuwa nasema we should bomb the area 24hrs from land and sea with heavy artillery, Creeping MBT Tanks,IFV etc? That might have been a counter sniper or jasiri if my memory serves me right.
Kila mtu na kazi yake hata mimi I might have been a bit skeptical, but based on the institution that this man went through I gave him the upper hand.

I reckon we shouldn't be too hard on the civilians Bullet-man. Unlike the Uniforms, they lacked the detail of the larger picture. And that Kenyan-fire was evident in each of them, by gawd!! But yea, tis been some firefight getting here.

Great Pic, man!! Brilliant strategist, intense leader. A soldier's Soldier. I would HAHO into hell anytime he said so.

Bullet-man, you stay safe!

ole Nkarei wrote:

Risasi wrote:I am glade to see that most bloggers are in the same page with the uniformed members and see the value on the delayed onslaught.
wapi ile alikuwa nasema we should bomb the area 24hrs from land and sea with heavy artillery, Creeping MBT Tanks,IFV etc? That might have been a counter sniper or jasiri if my memory serves me right.
Kila mtu na kazi yake hata mimi I might have been a bit skeptical, but based on the institution that this man went through I gave him the upper hand.

I reckon we shouldn't be too hard on the civilians Bullet-man. Unlike the Uniforms, they lacked the detail of the larger picture. And that Kenyan-fire was evident in each of them, by gawd!! But yea, tis been some firefight getting here.

Great Pic, man!! Brilliant strategist, intense leader. A soldier's Soldier. I would HAHO into hell anytime he said so.

Bullet-man, you stay safe!

MR risasi
last year..on the onset of OLN,everyone was on steroids par-say willing on the KDF to blitzkrieg all over Somalia hell and back because of the things the alshabab had done to upset ordinary peace loving Kenyans.
But since regional and global dynamics came into play..it makes sense to have a new approach. like the one kdf has used in Afmadow.
Anyway we all agree in hindsight that it would have been much easier to to take chai in kismayu last year when the thugs were on the back foot than now when they are prepared and waiting for the not so good inevitable end.
SO risasi,short of outright surrender by the thugs ,it will not be easy to ride into kismayu without spilling some precious blood.
wewe unajua hiyo ni kweli kabisa.
One of my friends who was previously the CO school of infantry at Isiolo and is coordinating the intelligence gathering from the area for the kdf says that there are signs that kismayu will fall without much resistance because the locals are preparing to turn on the thugs enmasse once KDF makes its move..making life difficult for the . alshabab.

MEANWHILE we all hope that these men who are captives of alshabab will be found well and sound.


http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Unknown+fate+of+Kenyan+hostages+clouds+KDF+gains+/-/1056/1434522/-/5jdwcv/-/index.html

Risasi wrote:I am glade to see that most bloggers are in the same page with the uniformed members and see the value on the delayed onslaught.
wapi ile alikuwa nasema we should bomb the area 24hrs from land and sea with heavy artillery, Creeping MBT Tanks,IFV etc? That might have been a counter sniper or jasiri if my memory serves me right.
Kila mtu na kazi yake hata mimi I might have been a bit skeptical, but based on the institution that this man went through I gave him the upper hand.

@Risasi
Tell us a little bit about this nice-looking photo, Bwana. You do not have to disclose who is in it.

i think the photo shows the Kenyan overall commander of the OLN theatre in total...the guy in glasses ..the fourth guy on the front row from left., LAST TIME I CHECKED.
i will not disclose his name..but it can be found on a USA military website.that picture was taken sometime in 2009/2010 (not sure)when kenyan military officers attended a training course in the USA.

SIPRI collects data from willing sources, and only that which is diverged

very true Ole Nkarei, our Specops units are reported to be using the Beretta AR-90Beretta AR-90 yet it is no where in SIPRI Gospel.
@Risasi, are airmen under any obligation to follow civy ATC orders? i had a nasty incident with one arrogant Mil pilot a day ago.
Nkarei, post al-shabab what role will the KDF play in the future of 'Azania'? r we likely to see a KDF F.O.B in Chismayo to oversee the training and professionalisation of the Jubaland forces? I know that someone in 'the little office' has foreseen the need to stay n hold the balls to ensure this guys don't misbehave ryt?

jasiri wrote:

SIPRI collects data from willing sources, and only that which is diverged

very true Ole Nkarei, our Specops units are reported to be using the Beretta AR-90Beretta AR-90 yet it is no where in SIPRI Gospel.
@Risasi, are airmen under any obligation to follow civy ATC orders? i had a nasty incident with one arrogant Mil pilot a day ago.
Nkarei, post al-shabab what role will the KDF play in the future of 'Azania'? r we likely to see a KDF F.O.B in Chismayo to oversee the training and professionalisation of the Jubaland forces? I know that someone in 'the little office' has foreseen the need to stay n hold the balls to ensure this guys don't misbehave ryt?

a good point...i think kdf should strive to have the ras kamboni brigade and the other TFG allied forces merge into a professionall trained standing army once the kismayu maneno is sorted.

we should try and train these just like we did in the 1990s when we turned the Namibian guerrilla(SWAPO) forces into a proper trained national army for the people of Namibia.
those Namibians are proud of Kenyans to this day.

countersniper wrote:

jasiri wrote:

SIPRI collects data from willing sources, and only that which is diverged

very true Ole Nkarei, our Specops units are reported to be using the Beretta AR-90Beretta AR-90 yet it is no where in SIPRI Gospel.(/)

Dang right you are Jas. SpecOps requires a hell of a lot of equipment that is inevitably under the radar, and SIPRI would be smokin' a Kachimega cCgar to claim knowledge of it.

(@Risasi, are airmen under any obligation to follow civy ATC orders? i had a nasty incident with one arrogant Mil pilot a day ago)

You stay away from those rotary chaps, Jas. They have a pimped attitude!! .

Nkarei, post al-shabab what role will the KDF play in the future of 'Azania'? r we likely to see a KDF F.O.B in Chismayo to oversee the training and professionalisation of the Jubaland forces? I know that someone in 'the little office' has foreseen the need to stay n hold the balls to ensure this guys don't misbehave ryt?

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Sharif is panicking and desperate to stay relevant post AS. He announces his candidacy even before agreement on the Governance Structure is agreed; man knows the AZANIA deal is done, despite his earlier running around to Meles and M7 to get either into Kismayu before Madobe and Gaaddi. We are not moving no matter. So he flies down for a quick chat with Kikwete and spends hours trying to get the shy timid WTZ to move troops into Zoomalia, ostensibly to create him an army, but more likely to increase the tensions between TCC in Zoomalia! Guys, Zoomalia and Kenya are tied at the hips, important to our survival - we cannot fully integrate NFD into the Kenya Economy without Jubaland and GEdo. And Kenya will not survive without the NFD. Leave Chismayu to the Chisimayians? Hell no!!

You stay away from those rotary chaps, Jas. They have a pimped attitude!!

I'm discovering that. the dude hovered right above me n then goes on to say he can't see me, all the while lashing me with his prop wash! Man!a dose of 1,950HP sure feels allot!

jasiri wrote:

You stay away from those rotary chaps, Jas. They have a pimped attitude!!

I'm discovering that. the dude hovered right above me n then goes on to say he can't see me, all the while lashing me with his prop wash! Man!a dose of 1,950HP sure feels allot!

Hehehe! Ati he cannot see you, seating right atop you, eh? The fella was hazing you, Jas! Was the Rotary a 17 or 28? You read his tail plate? Anyway those chaps are dang good flying that bucket, though some of the pranks they roll out sometimes just ain't funny! You stay clear till your ride is bigger!

ole Nkarei wrote:Sharif is panicking and desperate to stay relevant post AS. He announces his candidacy even before agreement on the Governance Structure is agreed; man knows the AZANIA deal is done, despite his earlier running around to Meles and M7 to get either into Kismayu before Madobe and Gaaddi. We are not moving no matter. So he flies down for a quick chat with Kikwete and spends hours trying to get the shy timid WTZ to move troops into Zoomalia, ostensibly to create him an army, but more likely to increase the tensions between TCC in Zoomalia! Guys, Zoomalia and Kenya are tied at the hips, important to our survival - we cannot fully integrate NFD into the Kenya Economy without Jubaland and GEdo. And Kenya will not survive without the NFD. Leave Chismayu to the Chisimayians? Hell no!!

I've written here before that this Jubaland and other strictly Kenyan interests have no room in AMISOM, and I pray that they are limited to the opinions of the bloggers here, and that they are the hangover of the OLN. In AMISOM all parties (Kenya, Uganda, Ethiopia, Somalia) must move in lockstep or we will have done bure kabisa!! Harbouring ill-feelings against the TFG simply because it's deemed to be closer to Ug or Ethiopia is a waste of time which would better be used to prop up your won candidate to take over the reigns of power come August 20 2012.

The TFG's closeness to Uganda and Ethiopia is a result of circumstances, nothing personal they have against Kenya. Uganda and Ethiopia went to Somalia long before Ke thought there was anything better than enjoying the windfall of the satellite Somalia economy the Al Shabaab and other warlords had created in Eastleigh. Ugandan and Ethiopian blood was spilt for the TFG to be in power up to today, and he would do the same for Kenya if KDF was crying 'Chai in Mogadishu' in 2007. Sorry, I am a soldier and I have been trained to take nothing personally, as long as the job is done.

But recognising that Somalia and Kenya are tied at the hips is a good start, bro.