Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

SS Jamuhuri wrote:sorry for my slight veering off from topic, but could someone mind making a clarification about the various types of uniforms worn by soldiers in the kenya army and the various circumstances that they wear these uniforms... i was arguing with a pal of mine and i simply needed a clarification...

Bro, in the times we are living, that is not a 'kind' question. Hell, you can get shot just by shooting a photograph of the gates of Kahawa Barracks, let alone DoD!

Is it not enough to say that there are basically two types of Uniform, one Formal / Office / Ceremonial-wear and one Normal / Field / Battle-wear, as well as three Color (Black, Green, Red, Dark Blue) Berets for KDF? Each Arm of Service has it's specific colour hue and Tailoring of both Uniforms. The ''Hard-hats'' for the 'Deltas' and other SOCOM Units are elongated and markedly different from those of all others Military Elements, their dress-wear abit more 'relaxed'', their footwear too kidogo different. Can go on, and on, but really there is not much for a civilian to differentiate one Uniformed KDF Soldier from the other in terms of Dresswear, really. Ouch!!

Not much help, but leave it there?!

Not much help, but leave it there?!

New here and looking forward to lively discussion and health exchanges about anything East African.

However, I am curious on uniform [email=thing.....@ ole]thing.....@ ole[/email] Nkarei, what is so confidential about telling us what various uniforms that these guys use? I believe most of African countries still have to import this stuff since they do not have "know-how" to make them. I could be wrong, but I assume millitary uniforms must be FR or "FIRE RESISTANCE based material.

I gues the point I,m trying to make is that most countries do buy uniforms on open market, therefore sharing with us about Kenya Military various colors partern is no big deal.

MAKE_IT_SIMPLE wrote:Not much help, but leave it there?!

New here and looking forward to lively discussion and health exchanges about anything East African.

However, I am curious on uniform [email=thing.....@ ole]thing.....@ ole[/email] Nkarei, what is so confidential about telling us what various uniforms that these guys use? I believe most of African countries still have to import this stuff since they do not have "know-how" to make them. I could be wrong, but I assume millitary uniforms must be FR or "FIRE RESISTANCE based material.

I gues the point I,m trying to make is that most countries do buy uniforms on open market, therefore sharing with us about Kenya Military various colors partern is no big deal.

You are one to believe Wanjiku's right to-know is absolute, eh?
Okay, on a need-to-know basis alone, why do YOU want to know what you peg as a mundane maneno?
Well, if you do want to know, and employ yourself to it with some diligence, you certainly will get to know.
But - you are not getting it from me!

@ ON, i respect the situation.. and dint want detailed information.. was actually wondering bout the Red uniform worn by soldiers marching during national holidays.. is it for both CO's and NCO's or is it for specific people in the army..nothing beyond that...

@ole Nkarei, Fair enough

SS Jamuhuri wrote:@ ON, i respect the situation.. and dint want detailed information.. was actually wondering bout the Red uniform worn by soldiers marching during national holidays.. is it for both CO's and NCO's or is it for specific people in the army..nothing beyond that...

on uniforms..
the bright red tunics worn on national days and other state functions or even during pass out parades are referred as dress number one..--ceremonial dress for the army. everyone serving is entitled to one set irrespective of rank.
Air force have the blue tunics and the navy the brilliant white for the same functions
.
all military branches have different types of dress for each function.
and the environment.

MAKE_IT_SIMPLE wrote:@ole Nkarei, Fair enough

Dangerous times we are living in, friends. A chap with a grenade intending the greatest effect would best take out a man in Command, and at incremental levels of Command. So, because differentiation of Ranks of KDF in BDU is difficult for most civilians and foreigners, the easiest would be on ceremonial days when it is hoped the Official Dress would do the trick. I am not imputing impropriety to those that are asking this query, but some caution on such matters is, I think, in order. We are at War, friends!
Countersniper has wrapped some meat on the bone - it should rest this matter, ama?

@ countersniper, thats all i need to know.. nothing more.. @ ON i understand the situation..i need not know anything more besides what countersniper has said.. thanx..

What are the various types of uniforms worn by soldiers in the Kenya Army = Wanjiku's right to-know is absolute?!!

Whoa! This goes way beyond conventional military paranoia. The guy asks a simple question about uniforms and it's like if I tell you I'll have to kill you? Do remind us all to wear blindfolds at the next Jamhuri Day march past lest we catch a glimpse of the verboten and forfeit our lives.
Armed Forces Days the world over (and I have been to a number), not to mention military museums, habitually display the various hardware, equipment, uniforms and other tools of the trade of their respective militaries. How does familiarity with the uniforms of one's armed forces pose a threat?
Are we so far ahead of the global pack that even Wanjiku mustn't know what uniforms her soldiers wear? Perhaps detailed plans for the imminent storming of Kismayu have been incorporated into the camo pattern, alongside the invisibility cloak nanotechnology tucked neatly underneath the miniature jetpack mounted on the everything-proof exoskeleton.
OK, I'd understand if you didn't want that to go public.

At great risk to life and limb (and in flagrant contravention of the Official Secrets Act), I've done you guys a favour and hosted some photos of our lads in their new gear. Unfortunately, I only have the new combat uniforms, not the ceremonial wear (sorry, SS Jamhuri). Also included is an interesting KDF concept for our future fighting force and finally a photo taken recently near Kismayu of what could be one of our regulars at this forum. There can't be too many Lt. Colonels called ole Nkarei in the KDF. Can there?

After looking at them, swallow them. You don't know me and I don't know you.

5 Kenya Rifles regular in new outfit: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/5kr11.jpg
20 Para (badass): https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/dcoy10.jpg
Vision 2030: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/203010.jpg
Tom?: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/olenka10.jpg

@Vitruvian

Mbona mkali na kumchapa kofi @ON namna hii? Haiya, poa Bwana!!!

Vitruvian wrote:What are the various types of uniforms worn by soldiers in the Kenya Army = Wanjiku's right to-know is absolute?!!

Whoa! This goes way beyond conventional military paranoia. The guy asks a simple question about uniforms and it's like if I tell you I'll have to kill you? Do remind us all to wear blindfolds at the next Jamhuri Day march past lest we catch a glimpse of the verboten and forfeit our lives.
Armed Forces Days the world over (and I have been to a number), not to mention military museums, habitually display the various hardware, equipment, uniforms and other tools of the trade of their respective militaries. How does familiarity with the uniforms of one's armed forces pose a threat?
Are we so far ahead of the global pack that even Wanjiku mustn't know what uniforms her soldiers wear? Perhaps detailed plans for the imminent storming of Kismayu have been incorporated into the camo pattern, alongside the invisibility cloak nanotechnology tucked neatly underneath the miniature jetpack mounted on the everything-proof exoskeleton.
OK, I'd understand if you didn't want that to go public.

At great risk to life and limb (and in flagrant contravention of the Official Secrets Act), I've done you guys a favour and hosted some photos of our lads in their new gear. Unfortunately, I only have the new combat uniforms, not the ceremonial wear (sorry, SS Jamhuri). Also included is an interesting KDF concept for our future fighting force and finally a photo taken recently near Kismayu of what could be one of our regulars at this forum. There can't be too many Lt. Colonels called ole Nkarei in the KDF. Can there?

After looking at them, swallow them. You don't know me and I don't know you.

5 Kenya Rifles regular in new outfit: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/5kr11.jpg
20 Para (badass): https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/dcoy10.jpg
Vision 2030: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/203010.jpg
Tom?: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/olenka10.jpg

Vitruvian wrote:

After looking at them, swallow them. You don't know me and I don't know you.

5 Kenya Rifles regular in new outfit: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/5kr11.jpg
20 Para (badass): https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/dcoy10.jpg
Vision 2030: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/203010.jpg
Tom?: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/olenka10.jpg

Hewhewhew!! Great Pictures, Vitruvian! Especially that one of me roundabout the outskirts of Chismayu! And them Deltas boys look mean in their kit too. 5KAR in that BDU just kill by the looks alone. Oh, in my whatever Uniform, I am not known by my on-line nom de plume, but simply and correctly in my nom de guerre!!, and moved up kidogo months ago too, buddy.

But seriously, it is not paranoia, although a healthy amount of it is an absolute kit against a faceless relentless pitiless enemy come a-hunting you. The Dress Code request is innocuous enough, granted, and normal not just in your first world but also in Kenya three years ago. Not so now, brother, and this is not paranoia at all - hell, what would you call today's official reactions to a couple of fellas taking photographs of the Wilson Airport Apron? Or a neighbour calling the Cops about a stationery vehicle with darkened windows parked outside their home? Or you seating up worrying about your teenage daughter (soon enough for you, N!) not home at 19H30? It is called necessary vigilance, Vitruvian. So far, and despite the regrettable loses of civilian Kenyan Lives and Limb, Al-shabaab has spectacularly failed to mount credible response to OLN or AMISOM - even across in Uganda and Burundi, despite their boisterous threatening noises. 99% of all their activation outside the Zoomaliya have been nipped and killed very successfully by your much unfairly discredited Kenya Police and NSIS - not referring to their sleeper cells, mind you, but their integrated terrorism plots. Now, a stick grenade lobed into a grouped KDF Brass ranged on the tiers in Nyayo Stadium in their ceremonial dress is not only a probability but would be devastatingly crashing to Kenyans. That questions is innocuously innocent, granted, but the timing of it is inauspicious. Hiyu tuu, bana.

It boils down to the need-to-know at this juncture in our National life. And that is not paranoia, mate! But simply necessary vigilance!

It's not my place to say, Hey, look guys, this is a serious threat and should be treated as such. But there seems to be a credible separatist threat on the cost. And it seems to be intertwined with Al Shabaab activities. I don't like the look of it. For those of us this side, and the likes of Vitruvian who the MRC calls people from 'upcountry' are we not at least entitled to anticipating what lies after the bend, and planning accordingly?

Spartan wrote:It's not my place to say, Hey, look guys, this is a serious threat and should be treated as such. But there seems to be a credible separatist threat on the cost. And it seems to be intertwined with Al Shabaab activities. I don't like the look of it. For those of us this side, and the likes of Vitruvian who the MRC calls people from 'upcountry' are we not at least entitled to anticipating what lies after the bend, and planning accordingly?

@Spartan - it IS your place as much as it is mine; AS has altered political demographies in Eastern Africa and shared security is the only security. Certainly you have noted how fast the M23 and the Tall thin man's Eastern DRC's shenanigans have fizzled out this time round?

Before this Court Ruling, the MRC was a steroid shot, a viagra pill for negative elements inside Kenya and internationally to detract Kenya from striding out into viable independence - we suspect these external forces are not ''governments' in the strict definition of that word, but a confluence of Commercial and Political forces in the West. The motivation is the growing peace in Somalia with the divident accruing of reconstruction and the announciated Hydrocarbon Resources in Eastern Africa. Kenya is leading Kenyana (for lack of another term for this region) drive relentlessly towards BRICS and China is gleefully fueling this drive. A secessionist fire at the Kenyan Coast (with its offshoot in Zanzibar) has repercussions to Kenyana that are unimaginable. Now, going after these miscreants in the traditional CI way only plays into the hands of those puppeteering this maneno.

The Court Ruling has achieved several objectives (i) it re-states the right of any Kenya to ''want out'' of Kenya, but only subject to the Constitutional Provisions which explicitly require that all Kenyans grant their approval by a Referendum, (ii) The Court also declared that the MRC 'Agenda'' is not a social issue as pretended by the MRC, but was a political issue that must be articulated by whomever as such, through a political vehicle and in line with the Constitutional provisions governing political activities, (iii) that because MRC is not Constitutionally an illegal entity, all it's affairs and conduct must be within the Political Parties Act which translates that the MRC will enjoy no space in Mombasa unless it is National represented as required of all Political Parties in Kenya - which is kigogo unlikely! (iv) that the rights to existence of the MRC are converse to its responsibilities accruing of its very existence - in simple words register as a political party, pursue your goals constitutionally, avoid violence. Should you even once 'cross the line', the Constitution and all State machinery will crush you pitilessly.

If politically handled correctly, this ruling takes the thunder from the MRC and their foreign backers, and will render them irrelevant in short order.

This is an excerpt of what the Ruling stated:-

"If MRC regards this decision as carte blance to disorder or lawlessness, then they are on their own. The court cannot mute the respondents from exercising their constitutionally ordained obligation of ensuring security for all Kenyans. Should MRC cross the line, then the State, as always can invoke the law including prevention of criminal activities.”

ole Nkarei wrote:

Spartan wrote:It's not my place to say, Hey, look guys, this is a serious threat and should be treated as such. But there seems to be a credible separatist threat on the cost. And it seems to be intertwined with Al Shabaab activities. I don't like the look of it. For those of us this side, and the likes of Vitruvian who the MRC calls people from 'upcountry' are we not at least entitled to anticipating what lies after the bend, and planning accordingly?

@Spartan - it IS your place as much as it is mine; AS has altered political demographies in Eastern Africa and shared security is the only security. Certainly you have noted how fast the M23 and the Tall thin man's Eastern DRC's shenanigans have fizzled out this time round?

Before this Court Ruling, the MRC was a steroid shot, a viagra pill for negative elements inside Kenya and internationally to detract Kenya from striding out into viable independence - we suspect these external forces are not ''governments' in the strict definition of that word, but a confluence of Commercial and Political forces in the West. The motivation is the growing peace in Somalia with the divident accruing of reconstruction and the announciated Hydrocarbon Resources in Eastern Africa. Kenya is leading Kenyana (for lack of another term for this region) drive relentlessly towards BRICS and China is gleefully fueling this drive. A secessionist fire at the Kenyan Coast (with its offshoot in Zanzibar) has repercussions to Kenyana that are unimaginable. Now, going after these miscreants in the traditional CI way only plays into the hands of those puppeteering this maneno.

The Court Ruling has achieved several objectives (i) it re-states the right of any Kenya to ''want out'' of Kenya, but only subject to the Constitutional Provisions which explicitly require that all Kenyans grant their approval by a Referendum, (ii) The Court also declared that the MRC 'Agenda'' is not a social issue as pretended by the MRC, but was a political issue that must be articulated by whomever as such, through a political vehicle and in line with the Constitutional provisions governing political activities, (iii) that because MRC is not Constitutionally an illegal entity, all it's affairs and conduct must be within the Political Parties Act which translates that the MRC will enjoy no space in Mombasa unless it is National represented as required of all Political Parties in Kenya - which is kigogo unlikely! (iv) that the rights to existence of the MRC are converse to its responsibilities accruing of its very existence - in simple words register as a political party, pursue your goals constitutionally, avoid violence. Should you even once 'cross the line', the Constitution and all State machinery will crush you pitilessly.

If politically handled correctly, this ruling takes the thunder from the MRC and their foreign backers, and will render them irrelevant in short order.

This is an excerpt of what the Ruling stated:-

"If MRC regards this decision as carte blance to disorder or lawlessness, then they are on their own. The court cannot mute the respondents from exercising their constitutionally ordained obligation of ensuring security for all Kenyans. Should MRC cross the line, then the State, as always can invoke the law including prevention of criminal activities.”

Well put Ole Nkarei, i couldn't agree more with your analysis. MRC has had their bloated balloon punctured and thunder stolen. Let's wait and see if they will mess up and hence play into the hands of the state.

ole Nkarei wrote:...This is an excerpt of what the Ruling stated:-

"If MRC regards this decision as carte blance to disorder or lawlessness, then they are on their own. The court cannot mute the respondents from exercising their constitutionally ordained obligation of ensuring security for all Kenyans. Should MRC cross the line, then the State, as always can invoke the law including prevention of criminal activities.”

That is the punchline in the ruling which they celebrated. A sting in the tail. They will go political and obviously regret why they never saw sense when they were urged to seek a solution to their grievances through constitutional means, aka political process.

Rwanda's Paul Kagame warned he may be charged with aiding war crimes

https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/world/2012/jul/25/rwanda-paul-kagame-war-crimes
Seems like the TTM might be facing the music soon.

https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/world/2012/jul/21/rwanda-cut-off-us-military-aid

rwigi wrote:Rwanda's Paul Kagame warned he may be charged with aiding war crimes

https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/world/2012/jul/25/rwanda-paul-kagame-war-crimes
Seems like the TTM might be facing the music soon.

https://apps.facebook.com/theguardian/world/2012/jul/21/rwanda-cut-off-us-military-aid

For those without facebook accounts the stories are here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/25/rwanda-paul-kagame-war-crimes
and here

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jul/21/rwanda-cut-off-us-military-aid

Apologies for the mis-rank. And I know it's a bit awkward for you being identified this way, thus the nom de plume and nom de guerre manenos, but don't worry, I will keep your little secret - nose tap and wink, wink.

Absolutely. At such a time as this, vigilance must be at its highest. The call extended to all wananchi is valid and the response, I think, has been positive. There are no questions regarding troop deployment or military strategy or operational plans. Or even matters more innocuous.

Uniforms, however, are something we see on a daily basis, everywhere. On the television, in papers, on parade, etcetera. They are a necessary and recognisable element of the disciplined forces. They distinguish one team from the next and are not considered confidential (except for the exoskeleton - maybe - which in any case is hardware rather than uniform). If they were, the chaps outside the barracks would have to be in civvies or shoot anyone who glanced at them.

I neither misunderstand nor trivialise your point.

ole Nkarei wrote:

Vitruvian wrote:

After looking at them, swallow them. You don't know me and I don't know you.

5 Kenya Rifles regular in new outfit: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/5kr11.jpg
20 Para (badass): https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/dcoy10.jpg
Vision 2030: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/203010.jpg
Tom?: https://i.servimg.com/u/f45/17/25/77/14/olenka10.jpg

Hewhewhew!! Great Pictures, Vitruvian! Especially that one of me roundabout the outskirts of Chismayu! And them Deltas boys look mean in their kit too. 5KAR in that BDU just kill by the looks alone. Oh, in my whatever Uniform, I am not known by my on-line nom de plume, but simply and correctly in my nom de guerre!!, and moved up kidogo months ago too, buddy.

But seriously, it is not paranoia, although a healthy amount of it is an absolute kit against a faceless relentless pitiless enemy come a-hunting you. The Dress Code request is innocuous enough, granted, and normal not just in your first world but also in Kenya three years ago. Not so now, brother, and this is not paranoia at all - hell, what would you call today's official reactions to a couple of fellas taking photographs of the Wilson Airport Apron? Or a neighbour calling the Cops about a stationery vehicle with darkened windows parked outside their home? Or you seating up worrying about your teenage daughter (soon enough for you, N!) not home at 19H30? It is called necessary vigilance, Vitruvian. So far, and despite the regrettable loses of civilian Kenyan Lives and Limb, Al-shabaab has spectacularly failed to mount credible response to OLN or AMISOM - even across in Uganda and Burundi, despite their boisterous threatening noises. 99% of all their activation outside the Zoomaliya have been nipped and killed very successfully by your much unfairly discredited Kenya Police and NSIS - not referring to their sleeper cells, mind you, but their integrated terrorism plots. Now, a stick grenade lobed into a grouped KDF Brass ranged on the tiers in Nyayo Stadium in their ceremonial dress is not only a probability but would be devastatingly crashing to Kenyans. That questions is innocuously innocent, granted, but the timing of it is inauspicious. Hiyu tuu, bana.

It boils down to the need-to-know at this juncture in our National life. And that is not paranoia, mate! But simply necessary vigilance!

mogen wrote:For those without facebook accounts.....

Count me in among those, bro.I just could not ignore this.

And this.

Spartan wrote:

mogen wrote:For those without facebook accounts.....

Count me in among those, bro.I just could not ignore this.

And this.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/10/exclusive-us-spies-buy-stake-in-twitter-blog-monitoring-firm
http://ed-strong.com/cia-venture-capital-fund-in-q-tel-involved-in-facebook

Facebook is not a good place to be. But who will hear such words? Thanks bro. In-Q-Tel www.inqtel.org; where are they not to be found?
I-Q-Tel Inc; http://www.iqt.org : Accelerating Innovation for the Intelligence Community.

The CIA investments in social media platforms bears close semblance with Kenya's CCK/State clamp on fake phones and registration of sim-cards.

This effort stymies any possibility of hiding identities besides dissemination of information to groups and individuals that may play a role or serve as proxies in any type of effort, coded and direct, to compromise national security.

The platforms intelligence communities are investing in have both infrastructure and faster data generation capacity to identify, locate, and present on real-time basis, identities and locales of those transmitting such information hence aptly neutralizing such threats.

mogen wrote:

Spartan wrote:

mogen wrote:For those without facebook accounts.....

Count me in among those, bro.I just could not ignore this.

And this.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/10/exclusive-us-spies-buy-stake-in-twitter-blog-monitoring-firm
http://ed-strong.com/cia-venture-capital-fund-in-q-tel-involved-in-facebook

Facebook is not a good place to be. But who will hear such words? Thanks bro. In-Q-Tel www.inqtel.org; where are they not to be found?
I-Q-Tel Inc; http://www.iqt.org : Accelerating Innovation for the Intelligence Community.

@Mogen

I hear you. Strange how it carried the facebook URL. Saw the story first there though.
I also agree with you that being on facebook is akin to being on TV and you never know who may be looking at private data at Menlo Park.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19001644

They are calling them Mili-Obs with a non-combat role. You know differently.

The stakes are being planted deeply in Zoomaliya soil. By all manner of persons. As as the Brts come out of the closet, the developing squabbles in Juba around who takes what in Kismayu take proper ownership. ASWJ with little footprint below GEDO are swearing on Kismayu hundreds of Kilometres deep into Ras Kaboni / Merahan territories; the Merahan have fractured into three groupings. Eiish!!
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61503000/jpg/_61503887_ap.jpg
Beautiful skirmishing line, eh? Great photo of these UGABAG troopers!!

ole Nkarei wrote: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61503000/jpg/_61503887_ap.jpg
Beautiful skirmishing line, eh? Great photo of these UGABAG troopers!!

@ON I've often wondered. Doesn't the bright green back bags make the soldiers stand out in the bushes and therefore an easier target?

ole Nkarei wrote:

Spartan wrote:It's not my place to say, Hey, look guys, this is a serious threat and should be treated as such. But there seems to be a credible separatist threat on the cost. And it seems to be intertwined with Al Shabaab activities. I don't like the look of it. For those of us this side, and the likes of Vitruvian who the MRC calls people from 'upcountry' are we not at least entitled to anticipating what lies after the bend, and planning accordingly?

@Spartan - it IS your place as much as it is mine; AS has altered political demographies in Eastern Africa and shared security is the only security. Certainly you have noted how fast the M23 and the Tall thin man's Eastern DRC's shenanigans have fizzled out this time round?

Before this Court Ruling, the MRC was a steroid shot, a viagra pill for negative elements inside Kenya and internationally to detract Kenya from striding out into viable independence - we suspect these external forces are not ''governments' in the strict definition of that word, but a confluence of Commercial and Political forces in the West. The motivation is the growing peace in Somalia with the divident accruing of reconstruction and the announciated Hydrocarbon Resources in Eastern Africa. Kenya is leading Kenyana (for lack of another term for this region) drive relentlessly towards BRICS and China is gleefully fueling this drive. A secessionist fire at the Kenyan Coast (with its offshoot in Zanzibar) has repercussions to Kenyana that are unimaginable. Now, going after these miscreants in the traditional CI way only plays into the hands of those puppeteering this maneno.

The Court Ruling has achieved several objectives (i) it re-states the right of any Kenya to ''want out'' of Kenya, but only subject to the Constitutional Provisions which explicitly require that all Kenyans grant their approval by a Referendum, (ii) The Court also declared that the MRC 'Agenda'' is not a social issue as pretended by the MRC, but was a political issue that must be articulated by whomever as such, through a political vehicle and in line with the Constitutional provisions governing political activities, (iii) that because MRC is not Constitutionally an illegal entity, all it's affairs and conduct must be within the Political Parties Act which translates that the MRC will enjoy no space in Mombasa unless it is National represented as required of all Political Parties in Kenya - which is kigogo unlikely! (iv) that the rights to existence of the MRC are converse to its responsibilities accruing of its very existence - in simple words register as a political party, pursue your goals constitutionally, avoid violence. Should you even once 'cross the line', the Constitution and all State machinery will crush you pitilessly.

If politically handled correctly, this ruling takes the thunder from the MRC and their foreign backers, and will render them irrelevant in short order.

This is an excerpt of what the Ruling stated:-

"If MRC regards this decision as carte blance to disorder or lawlessness, then they are on their own. The court cannot mute the respondents from exercising their constitutionally ordained obligation of ensuring security for all Kenyans. Should MRC cross the line, then the State, as always can invoke the law including prevention of criminal activities.”

ON:-

That says it all. It would be unfathomable; the implications of a landlocked Kenya . I like the point that they have to get a national representation.

The issue of the court ruling has been picked by media houses all over the place which seems to blow it out of proportion.

http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/somalia/articles/20120726.aspx

The UN investigators are proving embarrassing to Somali and Kenyan leaders. Both countries are reported to be very corrupt, even to the extent of keeping known Islamic terrorist supporters (usually leading clerics) out of jail in Kenya

me thinks hawa watu dont understand the dynamics of the new Kenya. Mutunga takes no orders from anyone.
@Vitruvian u with a sense of humour is like Crane apologising! Nice One!!!

ole Nkarei wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-19001644

They are calling them Mili-Obs with a non-combat role. You know differently.

The stakes are being planted deeply in Zoomaliya soil. By all manner of persons. As as the Brts come out of the closet, the developing squabbles in Juba around who takes what in Kismayu take proper ownership. ASWJ with little footprint below GEDO are swearing on Kismayu hundreds of Kilometres deep into Ras Kaboni / Merahan territories; the Merahan have fractured into three groupings. Eiish!!
http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61503000/jpg/_61503887_ap.jpg
Beautiful skirmishing line, eh? Great photo of these UGABAG troopers!!

guys you see my point about not killing off the golden goose (Al Shabab )? We prepared the way for all kinds of states. I worry we might end up with a syria vs Turkey scenario. All they have to do is prop up a Somali Govt that will accuse Kenya of not being democratic enough and cause mischief. If any one of you thinks the mischief will come from Museveni, you are way off the mark. It will either be Future State of Somalia or current Tanzania. Its not enough for us to say Al Shabab is a creature that needs to be destroyed, but we should have 'managed' Al Shabab' to an extend where we cover our North Eastern Flanks until we are ready to do something about it.

mbs wrote:
guys you see my point about not killing off the golden goose (Al Shabab )? We prepared the way for all kinds of states. I worry we might end up with a syria vs Turkey scenario. All they have to do is prop up a Somali Govt that will accuse Kenya of not being democratic enough and cause mischief. If any one of you thinks the mischief will come from Museveni, you are way off the mark. It will either be Future State of Somalia or current Tanzania. Its not enough for us to say Al Shabab is a creature that needs to be destroyed, but we should have 'managed' Al Shabab' to an extend where we cover our North Eastern Flanks until we are ready to do something about it.

Hear you five-five, mbs.

As far as I know, GoK has no intentions of a completely vanguished AS in this connudrum emerging of Zoomaliya Post-AS. Otherwise KDF would have long driven to Mogadishu wasting every sandals-wearing villager with an AK-74 and a RPG-7, walking or riding a ''technical''!! Much like the Ethiopians did in 2006 but more effectively and efficiently.

GoK intends for inclusivity of all players regardless of their history and past affliation - the Zoomaliyans can sort themselves out in Political Competition inside a Open House Government. But the foundations for this Strategy is strong Regional Semi-Autonomy under a loose Confederation of Zoomaliya. That gives greater local access and influence of GoK in ''bilateral'' arrangements with those Regions at our door-step such as Juballand Shabelle, Bakool and Benadir.

That is what all the vultures are reacting to, a chance to make confusing overtures at all these Regional Autonomy Zones and if not carefully handled, could lead to a permanent state of disunity of Zoomaliya. This what holds up closing Kismayu and the Southern Theatre activities.

That fits your bill, mbs?

@Jasiri - you nailed @Vitruvian square Now, you better hit the ground before he peppers you daid O!!

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ole Nkarei wrote: http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61503000/jpg/_61503887_ap.jpg
Beautiful skirmishing line, eh? Great photo of these UGABAG troopers!!

@ON I've often wondered. Doesn't the bright green back bags make the soldiers stand out in the bushes and therefore an easier target?

Damn Right @Mogen. Rustles to the slightest wind too, rasping horribly at every contact with bushes, shrubs. Could get you killed dead!! Probably this is a training run, but still.... Eiish!!
Never ever, and ever, and Never again in the KDF - field disciplinary of Command would be swift and deadly. Could lose your Commission for just such elementary manenos.

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Hunters+of+LRA+unpaid++ill+trained/-/2558/1464366/-/ekwv2i/-/index.html


You're take on this guys