Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Spartan Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:11

Was watching CCTV (Check it out for Africa-wide news at 8pm, it's free-to-air on DSTV, the best). Pictures like these turn away tourists enmasse, and it will take months or even more to lure them back.
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Two days of riots and only innocent bystanders and police dead or injured? What happened to the Kenya we knew. Just when we had copied them, they change. It must be this new katiba maneno.

Where are these guys when you need them?
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No offence but we just prefer a safe, secure Mombasa and Kenya. I know you do too.

Guest Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:24

You gotta admire the tenacity of these Zoomaliyans, by gawd! See how doggedly they are slogging though this minefield of rejuvenating their governance structures - I had serious doubts they would managed running this gauntlet, people:-

1. Selection of Clan Elders Countrywide, an a Nation divided by Clan war for over twenty years. By any means, a gargantuan achievement. In the absence of a President since August 20th, these Clan Elders are the repository of the Zoomaliyan Conscience, and done a miraculous job.

2. This huge panel of Elders scrupulously selects a ''Parliament'' using an extremely narrow Criteria - each candidate's historical contribution & contacts with the negative forces in Zoomaliya over the last twenty years. The only failure was the lukewarm response to gender empowerment, which will no doubt resolve in due course. A Transitional Technical Committee that did the vetting of all candidates received incredible mountains of intelligence from Zoomaliyans from across the world, and did a job our Parliament cannot dream of doing today. By gawd!! Can you imagine what these people have achieved in the middle of War?

3. A new Speaker of Parliament and two Deputies are elected, without rancor and by secret ballot by Parliament, all of them very progressive and none tinted by the clan wars of the past twenty years. Respectable and dignified man who correctly project the collective image of a proud People. A true Miracle in every sense.

4. A new president is about to be elected by this miracle-making Parliament. Using the same Criteria and method of selection - Sharif was constitutionally ''rigged out'' by IGAD, I dare say!! Laughing

Our faith in our own Humanity was sorely tested by this Zoomaliya conflict over too long. I think this is about to change now, and Zoomaliya will stand up again.

Now, routing AS from their last redoubts is now feasible because there will not be a power-vacumn, due to these events stated above. Leadership is more than the selection of a gang of people and vesting in them governance authority. It is more about manifestation of the direction of a People's social aspirations. AS must be both militarily and also politically overthrown in the minds and spirits of the Zoomaliya People. That way, AS can never re-invent itself in the People's Imagination.

Haya, viikombe vyeni via chai ya kericho bado kwa mkono?

Al Bashir Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:34

Sierra Kilo wrote:
I think we would rather stop blowing things out of proportion here, Majengo that big slum in in an old island town does not constitute what is called Kenya. Kenya is big and just because some arabic goons who speak swahili are burning tyres in their mothers backyard should not be seen as if the whole country is going to the dogs. The security organs should infact be congratulated for restraining themselves because if they chose to respond like the way the South Africans did a few days ago, that Majengo slum would be turned into a big graveyard. If they want to taste the full might of our boys in blue let them just say 'come baby come'.

You are trivializing what is potentially a powder keg that once set off might be difficult to control. Watch the videos on NTV and Citizen, on several clips there were groups of youths standing side by side with the police and throwing rocks back at Rogo's supporters. Who are this youths? Christians vs Muslims? This has the potential of turning into religious war quite fast. The same thing happened in Nairobi a few years ago when al kabab staged a demo in the city and the police stood-by/allowed christians/wanachi to do their job i.e dispersing them.

The gova needs to step in mightily and clamp this thing fast! The police should also be better trained and equipped, throwing rocks at protesters is ineffective and unprofessional.

Guest Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:36

Spartan wrote:mombasa chaos

In south africa, a very minor altercation in a small locality, easily controllable, results in nearly fifty African dead from a five-second automatic gunfire. My gawd, can anyone really contextualise the incredible institutional collapse manifested in this action?

The chaos in Mombasa was not as extensive as media reports may indicate, really due their repetitive and multiple coverage by a multiplicity of Media Houses - probably about 1000 youth in very restricted localities - there were sporadic opportunistic disburbances in various commercial areas which had a motivation to loot. Folks in the Security Sector are saying this chaos was long in the planning, and it is indeed fortunate that it came out now than during the heightened electioneering period of next year - Internal Government Forces can conclusively deal with these brigands, and are dealing with them robustly, have no fear!!

Balannce sheet? 2 civilians dead and not from police action, and three Policemen dead. Not counting the mad mullah himself!!

As I write this there has been no incidences this morning, and no expansion out of the areas into which this violence was contained since the start. Local leaders from politics, bussiness, and religion are now out providing balance and giving rational voice to counterbalance the mad mullahs of yesterday. Kenya has done what South Africa has shown itself fully incompetent to do.

I reckon you should applaud your kenyan brothers - we are walking a very difficult path, and we are showing that it is possible to make progress even if this is slow and painful.

Guest Wed Aug 29 2012, 09:45

Al Bashir wrote:
I think we would rather stop blowing things out of proportion here, Majengo that big slum in in an old island town does not constitute what is called Kenya. Kenya is big and just because some arabic goons who speak swahili are burning tyres in their mothers backyard should not be seen as if the whole country is going to the dogs. The security organs should infact be congratulated for restraining themselves because if they chose to respond like the way the South Africans did a few days ago, that Majengo slum would be turned into a big graveyard. .

Sierra Kilo wrote: The police should also be better trained and equipped, throwing rocks at protesters is ineffective and unprofessional.

I think brother Al-Bashir has put it very correctly, Sierra Kilo.

Throwing a Rock at a rock-throwing thug is certainly not ''progressive, but the results inMombasa were more effective than emptying a G3 / AK47 into these mindless thugs in Mombasa - wakati ya hiyo bado, bro. Do yo not see that Al-shabaab is looking to create ''Martyrs'' of disillusioned disenfrachized youth all over Kenya? A minor rwanda-type genocide to underpin an armed rebellion?

We cannot have our Police Force battling accusations of another Kisumu 2008 in the lead-up to the General Elections next year. I am personally very proud of their very gallant and restrained action. The two dead civilians were killed by the marauding thugs, not from Police Action.

Olekoima Wed Aug 29 2012, 11:19

And now on a positive note:-

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Military+pomp+as+naval+ship+set+to+be+unveiled/-/1056/1489312/-/dxio79z/-/index.html

Spartan Wed Aug 29 2012, 12:18

ole Nkarei wrote:We cannot have our Police Force battling accusations of another Kisumu 2008 in the lead-up to the General Elections next year. I am personally very proud of their very gallant and restrained action. The two dead civilians were killed by the marauding thugs, not from Police Action.

I thought Kisumu 2008 was blamed on UPDF Laughing

. But on a serious note, GoK has a delicate balancing act - move swiftly and be accused of highhandedness, or let the stone throwing and killing drag on until the Sheikh's followers get something better to do with their time. Either way, people die, either at the hands of security forces or the rioters - and that's the dilemma facing your security forces, bro. I do not advocate highhandedness or police brutality, and neither does GoU have it as a policy. During the last riots in Uganda which lasted two months, 9 lives were lost, including those of police. If the current disturbances continue at that rate for two months heaven knows how many would be affected. And that rate is happening when police is showing restraint and it's not yet inter-religious!

There are always lessons to be learnt out of tragedies like the one of South Africa, and am sure plenty will be learned. I have ever been faced with a similarly hostile crowd. though 'unarmed', they were very hostile and carried pangas and machetes. Goodenuf I was the commander of the operation and ordered a withdrawal other than kill or be killed. Faced with 3,000 machete-wielding miners, the South African police should have done the same.

That's what you learn when you are in the forces and security services, and the Kenyan police's lessons, by the look of things, have stood them in good stead.

The rioters too learn their lesson. Rest assured, South African miners will never repeat what they attempted to do - charging at heavily armed police in the hopes that their machetes and numbers will intimidate them.

Only four people are being charged in relation to the 2007 PEV. Question is - what has the Kenyan intending to riot learnt?

countersniper Wed Aug 29 2012, 17:59

spartan
we are on top of things

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/24+deny+Mombasa+riot+charge+/-/1056/1489626/-/1sw4xaz/-/index.html

and here it seems reporters read this blog where they reproduce for the ugandan public what we POST HERE ON THIS USER BLOG

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Muhoozi+s+meteoric+rise+to+top/-/688334/1489062/-/l41mur/-/index.html

Spartan Wed Aug 29 2012, 18:24

countersniper wrote:spartan
we are on top of things

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/24+deny+Mombasa+riot+charge+/-/1056/1489626/-/1sw4xaz/-/index.html

Threaten them with a deportation to Uganda if they won't cooperate Laughing

. BTW, what's up with Al Amin Kimathi?

jasiri Wed Aug 29 2012, 19:08

BTW, what's up with Al Amin Kimathi?

He compared the beans at home and the ones at Luzira n decided not to attract to much noise lest he goes back.

Kobooz Wed Aug 29 2012, 20:11

Why does the Kenyan media only see the controversy side of KNS Jasiri? And to Mwalimu Mati does the ship really look like any piece of junk? May be he has never seen a battle ship!

cylon Wed Aug 29 2012, 21:36

best footage thus far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQKsE4QPz0&feature=share&list=ULTBQKsE4QPz0

Are the Otomats anti-ship missile going to be mounted or are those things out-dated??

The Navy should finally begin asking kenyan shipbuilders to build them an advanced warship if they partner up with a foreign firm so they can gain experience Question

.. we need to start building our own ships

Sierra Kilo Wed Aug 29 2012, 23:17

Flying Crane wrote:KE bro’s………. the tuff gets going..S.S wants back the Golden triangle and Somalia its oily rich water. What a coincidence cause both region benefited from K.E proxy insurgents ops.

@Bulleti..you told your Hawk are in imacculate conditions in store what is this????

Reliable source quotes that you tried to restart them for ON but they backfired.

All fired up and ready for Al-kebabs in Chaismayu!!!!

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mogen Thu Aug 30 2012, 02:34

Spartan wrote:
Where are these guys when you need them?

No offence but we just prefer a safe, secure Mombasa and Kenya. I know you do too.

@Those guys are certainly in action at the moment. They are efficient, albeit a bit too hard handed, sometimes.

cylon Thu Aug 30 2012, 07:01

ole Nkarei wrote:
cylon wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:
Precising-Strafing by the Bullet-Man - the Deltas dancing! And IAF restricted tech-transfers on enhanced capabilities for 3rd & early 4th generation Fighters.

KNS-Jasiri coming home is much, a hell of lot more, for Kenya than having a big armed / armored boat in our Boma! Everything changes, and dramatically too. Ngojeni hapo hapo!!

Please clarify sir on the bold parts

Risasi circling high above, a Delta team on location lights up the Target with Laser, Risasi picks it up and locks on, drops his package. Pretty simple hit accurate to a Meter.

What would have been the use of purchasing those F5e from Jordan if all they had was thirty-year technology, eh? Haven't you seen those VW Beetles wearing Subaru engines? Alloy Rims size 17inch from their original 12inch?

A Offensive Naval Asset like KNS Jasiri is pretty much useless by itself - and the 4Billion would be an unmitigated waste. The KDF/Navy has restructured in every aspect to a level previously only on paper.

So more bigger ships than the Jasiri could be expected in the next 5 years?? Since we got to protect our undiscovered gas/ oil fields, and probably help patrol the somali coast for some sort of monetary payment.

Flying Crane Thu Aug 30 2012, 08:01

mogen wrote:Al Shabaab agents in our midst

This man (Aboud Rogo) was so daring as to incite people against their own. Just check the video clip below:

https://youtu.be/o5S-Dvd63t4

Bulleti counter that one My man when did you start bouncing off AS hands and landing on their chest???? Work harder Man we need to take chai at kismayo.

That cleric is a big joke you should have sent him to this side of the border and we would have shown him how high an AK bullet can bounce of a hand.

Silly maggot you’re going to rot in hell.

mogen Thu Aug 30 2012, 10:15

KDF & Allies battle against A.S. near Kismayo

http://allafrica.com/stories/201208300033.html

Risasi Thu Aug 30 2012, 11:59

Flying Crane wrote:
mogen wrote:Al Shabaab agents in our midst

This man (Aboud Rogo) was so daring as to incite people against their own. Just check the video clip below:

https://youtu.be/o5S-Dvd63t4

Bulleti counter that one My man when did you start bouncing off AS hands and landing on their chest???? Work harder Man we need to take chai at kismayo.

That cleric is a big joke you should have sent him to this side of the border and we would have shown him how high an AK bullet can bounce of a hand.

Silly maggot you’re going to rot in hell.

@crane why didn,t the bullet bounce off his robe too as he perpetuated??

Nesta Thu Aug 30 2012, 19:37

Any updates?

In somali

Could this be the reason?

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/42+Shabaab+killed+as+AU+seizes+town/-/1056/1490056/-/x5g54rz/-/index.html

He said Al-Shabaab had called on women in Kismayu to provide
their fighters with food and water as they battle Amisom troops but some
women refused.

“As Amisom troops surround Kismayu, Marehan clans
vowed to resist and fight alongside Al-Shabaab but the rest of the clans
have welcomed the troops to free the area of the militia,” Mjr Chirchir
said.

Sierra Kilo Thu Aug 30 2012, 22:32

With the Airbases experiencing increased air traffic, safety personnel on the ground are also being beefed up with robust equipment.

Kenya Vipers

The Kenya Ministry of Defence has received two identical "Viper" airport crash tenders built on Scania P470 6x6 chassis featuring 470 bhp Euro 3 diesel engines; Allison automatic gearboxes and a Chelsea PTO. The chassis have a 4900 mm wheelbase.
Fire-engineering includes a Godiva Prima single stage rear mounted pump; 2 x 45 mtr rear mounted 1.5" low pressure water/foam hose reels, 9,800 litres of water; 1150 litres of foam and 500 kg of additional media supplied by Perren Engineering Limited. The Vipers feature a joy-stick controlled 5000/2500 lpm roof mounted Akron Brass monitor; an Akron Brass 1325 lpm bumper turret and under truck nozzles. The trucks were delivered to the customer un-marked.

Nesta Fri Aug 31 2012, 22:29

he lives in nairobi

I found him here

http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=311649&hilit=amal

I'm told there's action in zoomalia

but al-kebab are giving propaganda; any juicy updates?

mogen Sat Sep 01 2012, 07:35

Nesta wrote:he lives in nairobi

I found him here

http://www.somalinet.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=311649&hilit=amal

I'm told there's action in zoomalia

but al-kebab are giving propaganda; any juicy updates?

Yes. He is most likely to be Kenya, not necessarily in Nairobi. But he is a dead man walking.

Uzi Sat Sep 01 2012, 08:33

cylon wrote:

best footage thus far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBQKsE4QPz0&feature=share&list=ULTBQKsE4QPz0

Are the Otomats anti-ship missile going to be mounted or are those things out-dated??

The Navy should finally begin asking kenyan shipbuilders to build them an advanced warship if they partner up with a foreign firm so they can gain experience .. we need to start building our own ships

At a cost of 4.6b we get a patrol boat? how much is a frigate? Am a bit disappointed expected something menacing maybe with a helipod. My two cents.

Nesta Sat Sep 01 2012, 09:36

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/42+Shabaab+killed+as+AU+seizes+town/-/1056/1490056/-/x5g54rz/-/index.html

“As Amisom troops surround Kismayu, Marehan clans vowed to
resist and fight alongside Al-Shabaab but the rest of the clans have
welcomed the troops to free the area of the militia,” Mjr Chirchir said.

Aren't we alianating the Marehan? Can anyone with an understanding of the somali clans clarify?

jasiri Sat Sep 01 2012, 10:01

At a cost of 4.6b we get a patrol boat? how much is a frigate? Am a bit disappointed expected something menacing maybe with a helipod. My two cents

Uzi, a Frigate is way more than a large ship. It's armament+size.
Example 1: South African Navy : Valour Class (MEKO A200 class)
These ships are in every way frigates. However duue to their lack of Land Attack Capabilities they have been classified by some as Corvettes.
Example 2: French Navy : D'Estienne d'Orves class
Now these were every bit frigate as i am African. However when a decision was made in 2008 to remove their armament, the acquired a new name..they were reclassified as oceanic patrol ships. This is despite the fact that they still retained their aviation facilities.
Example 3: German Navy : Braunschweig class corvette.
Officially, these warcrafts are classified corvettes. However a quote from Wikipedia highlits the difficulty in classifying these boats.

However, in size, armament, protection and role these corvettes resemble modern Anti Surface Warfare (ASuW) frigates . . .

If you took the time to look through all this ships, you'll realise that for Kenya to get a Frigate it would require much much more B's added to that 4.5B. On top of that, Mkunguni, Manda, Shimoni n Msambweni (Mjeshi clarify if this facility handles vessels or is mainly surveillance.) would require upgrades of facilties to handle these new large tenants. Huyu mbuzi aitwaye Kenya yuala kulingana na urefu wa kamba yake. In time my brother, all in time.

cylon Sat Sep 01 2012, 10:30

+1 jasiri

Government should really invest in a coast guard...

jasiri Sat Sep 01 2012, 10:50

cylon wrote:+1 jasiri

Government should really invest in a coast guard...

I think that's what the navy is doing with it smaller than Jasiri boats. Curiously the Nyayo 2 FAC ex French La-rieuse (or la-re use? hehehe Cool

) has not had any armament fitted on it. This Cylon may be our firs coast guard fleet right under our noses.

Kepler-Euler Sat Sep 01 2012, 11:04

Congratulations to KDF-Navy on receiving KNS Jasiri.
Is it just me or is there someone else who was puzzled by the lack of a visible, swiveling, rounded-top naval gun at the bow of the vessel? Maybe it pops out from under huh?

Also KDF is receiving Jasiri and somehow US SecNav happens to be in the neighborhood around that time. I aint no spook but...........

MANDA BAY, Kenya (Aug. 24, 2012) Secretary of the Navy Ray Mabus
(SECNAV) rides with Sailors assigned to U.S. Africa Command as they
conduct basic training evolutions from a rigid-hulled inflatable boat,
near Manda Bay Naval Base in Kenya. While in Kenya Mabus met with senior
leaders and Sailors and Marines to discuss security in the region and
to thank them for their service and sacrifice.

cylon Sat Sep 01 2012, 11:30

jasiri wrote:
cylon wrote:+1 jasiri

Government should really invest in a coast guard...
I think that's what the navy is doing with it smaller than Jasiri boats. Curiously the Nyayo 2 FAC ex French La-rieuse (or la-re use? hehehe ) has not had any armament fitted on it. This Cylon may be our firs coast guard fleet right under our noses.

But the ideologies of both coast guard and navy are entirely different.

The job of the coast guard is to protect anything that enter and exits territorial water. While the job of the navy is to protect shipping lanes but this in kenya is a mixed affair with the Shujua, Shupavu protecting the shipping lanes while the nyayo class ships defend the territorial waters and resources are usually stretched thin patrolling the 250mile coastline. So the creation of a coastguard would help the kenyan navy generally expand patrols to deep-sea waters, and more money in the pocket to buy bigger class ships...

Guest Sat Sep 01 2012, 12:49

@Spartan - your Ole Man appears to be sharpening his long knife, man! The Hinds have freaked him terribly. Someone's head is surely on the block over there - hope it ain't yours, buddy!! I caught your Sunday Church Choir and Homily on tape, powerful stuff, exactly what a brother would expect to frankly hear from a favorite brother too!

How is the inquiry coming?

Me feels the Ug ole man may want to throw a punch or two at .Ke. The Somali maneno is nerve racking for many people.

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