Re: Kenya Defence Force

MWAURA Tue Feb 21 2012, 20:31

Spartan wrote:@ Mwaura, the link please. Don't say much, only the link or you will never be taken seriously again. Stop making stuff up. Your reputation within these pages is at risk.

@ole Nkarei, I know a trick the NRA used in the bush to soften hides till they could be soft enough to be eaten. Mind if I share? Lol.....

Spartan,you're making this an argument when its not. I got the photo from the same place you got it- what difference does it make anyway? I spent a week there with guys from the Voice of Teso in 02 and I've been on the ground so I know what a Karamajong kraal looks like.
Nkarei ,the t 90 apparently didn't impress in Chechnya. Quite a few were destroyed by the rebels. It seems,on paper at least the t 95 is on another level. Its 5th generation with either a 135 mm or 152 mm gun and a completely new design.

Guest Tue Feb 21 2012, 22:23

@Mwaura
5th generation tank? Do you live in the future?

Guest Tue Feb 21 2012, 22:42

fusebox wrote:@Mwaura
5th generation tank? Do you live in the future?

Ease up on the brother, we are all on the same side here.

You get three new T-72AV for one T-90 - even if concessional, it will still cost at least twice as much anyway. And doing exactly the same tricks, costing abit more to run and maintain. Slightly better torque and just a touch more horsepower, a second Machine gun on the turret, crew protection about equal, same long gun, slightly longer /wider / lower profile than the T-72AV - but dammit, there are no T-90 lurking anywhere in Kenyana! Call me out, brother Spartan, go ahead....

Kobooz Tue Feb 21 2012, 23:54

africanspotlight.com/2012/02/nigerian-navy-to-acquire-kenyas-rejected-vessel-for-n10-billion-upgrade-it-with-25-million
I want to believe this is a rumour. We have waited for this gal long enough

cylon Wed Feb 22 2012, 00:43

Kobooz wrote:africanspotlight.com/2012/02/nigerian-navy-to-acquire-kenyas-rejected-vessel-for-n10-billion-upgrade-it-with-25-million
I want to believe this is a rumour. We have waited for this gal long enough

That makes no sense we have wasted about 8billion shillings on that ship. Who is gonna reimburse us for the money we lost acquiring that ship? So in the end it was a big slap on the face.Thanks a lot kenyan government

Forget that french ship la rieuse( forgive my spelling) We need to buy American ghost fleet of frigates and destroyers just laying waste awaiting for a battle that would never come like a said before we would spend a total of 5billion shillings on three vessels that would boost our offshore capabilities.
We need a strong navy if this kenyana project will work we need to dominate the eastern side of Africa quickly since the largest gas reserves have been found stretching from Mozambique to Tanzania.
Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Jrf-1s

look at them

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRd-svfm-zvJJxNWhxesK_eLB-N70QSe4gF89WpDX59HKon23Oe

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTdqBHl_8wi752W_lqST5SLpHmDBSjhvuoNNxdXeXJa2sEaYW3w

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQov1QuK4j_HpqVYpr8S33aMtuJquzEbt-ZtBCtJXdxiZZ43BWI

THe retro fits of these ships can be done in mombasa by our own local company i forgot the name but there are a shipbuilding/retro-fit company in mombasa if we use them we can boost our economy and help the coast area removing the MRC threat.

All the united states has a Ghost Air force with a ton of planes that will never see the field of battle they are all just aging away in fields awaiting their calling kenya should be exploiting this opportunity before its gone. we showed the world wht we can do in somaila by taking kismayo the whole world will know the kenyan military is a force like no other in africa.
Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbqXl5_h_X-ctVyEDNZ34DMRv6bHGCtrKhX7ZS3zkaKC3nY3wp1A

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQbqXl5_h_X-ctVyEDNZ34DMRv6bHGCtrKhX7ZS3zkaKC3nY3wp1A

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ_dFrvW4D2Ar46tiQIGbmQ5W-CG9O5OFm-aNbu5bj6v5XcrhHRzWwFZXE

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQgJe7dK7OWbmkaw4hfkgwg3Clakabe8cGwM9C5wrauboNlcj3gNw

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/stealth-plane-already-being-mothballed-by-air-force

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxbP4GU8mUNPcXPUpqQoEt1KVBa_-sSojN2SmrwWtn2mPY_x0nPQ

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRxbP4GU8mUNPcXPUpqQoEt1KVBa_-sSojN2SmrwWtn2mPY_x0nPQ

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSU_qQJa10F6VR2opxxe6dgExUnF040vh-IgnhnGRXp9nVzld-ppw

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR2WytOgmpmQG9vduPia6rnXr-Vw-ofQ7ZluRdlwbZenYYwRuRo

THis are just a few images that if the kenya government was willing could take full advantage of there are even soviet mothball fleets of frigates and destroyers and even planes ready to be purchased

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 01:52

"The Vessel, with rust underneath"
LMFAO. This was unexpected. Thought it was sailing "home"? Mad

cylon Wed Feb 22 2012, 03:56

fusebox wrote:"The Vessel, with rust underneath"
LMFAO. This was unexpected. Thought it was sailing "home"?

The ship was a total loss retro-fitting it would have just caused more money to repair let nigeria have the ship. we can get more unless we get our money back from euromarine all that 8billion shilings

Al Bashir Wed Feb 22 2012, 03:59

fusebox wrote:"The Vessel, with rust underneath"
LMFAO. This was unexpected. Thought it was sailing "home"?

This is exactly the reason why I take these equipment purchase stories with a grain of salt. The Naija story broke about the same time the
"sailing home" story came out in our media. Was someone trying to do some preemptive damage control? Dont put too much weight on alleged purchases until the said equipment is verifiably on Kenyan soil. I'm sure there will be a parallel explanation and a rebuttal to the Naija story.

cylon Wed Feb 22 2012, 04:45

https://youtu.be/l43ByXZPqDE

Kdf in somalia

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 08:07

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?209160-Today-s-Photos-Tuesday-February-21th-2012/page2

Scroll down for OLN pics.

cylon Wed Feb 22 2012, 08:10

githinjibn wrote:I came across this forum last week, loved it and have been following it since then(though on the sidelines). I have been loving the witticism of @OleNkarei, @Jasiri and company in matters military. I couldn't help but observe that the forum has mainly been centered around military hardware. Being an IT guy, a coder to be specific, I wondered how adept is KDF in cyber warfare?

Nsis handles cyber warfare pretty well but there is nobody in africa probably foreign sources would hack our data stores. but knowing the government all data is still stored in paper meaning less of a threat to reveal any info. why do you think KDF is so good at hiding military secrets still from today i have no idea what the military of kenya buys with 1billion shillings annually

cylon Wed Feb 22 2012, 08:45

Okay there is been talk about f-15's and how they would serve the kenyana region. but could a f-14 or a f-18 do the same. with several of these birds could they counter the su-30s of M7.

https://youtu.be/C0CT8KkjJE0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F14_Tomcat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F/A-18_Hornet

Spartan Wed Feb 22 2012, 13:04

ole Nkarei wrote:there are no T-90 lurking anywhere in Kenyana! Call me out, brother Spartan, go ahead....

That's how Sukhoi story begun, could not believe it myself until I did some probing. But I wouldn't be surprised. That cost a little less than is stolen by bureaucrats every now and then.

@ Cyclon, the pics of planes you posted are from the Bone Yard at Davis Monthan Airforce Base. I am told there are over 4,000 planes there, most from the Vietnam era. The planes are not necessarily decommissioned, they are usually raided for parts, others are turned into pilot-less craft for anti-aircraft missile tests. By the time a plane is taken there, it's way past its design life (although some parts can be serviced and recycled).

But you're in good company, I salivated at them too.

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 13:50

Spartan wrote:
That's how Sukhoi story begun, could not believe it myself until I did some probing. But I wouldn't be surprised. That cost a little less than is stolen by bureaucrats every now and then.

In the KDF, the Sukhois were confirmed 18 months deep. No inkling of the T-90s, at least not where am seated, and I would have a wriggling inkling of such a thing, bro. Well, probe and confirm then....cannot be a breech if the dang things are already chewing up your countryside, Spartan!! Eeiish, bana!!

jasiri Wed Feb 22 2012, 14:29

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/somalia/9096795/Britain-to-spend-20-million-on-new-rapid-reaction-force-for-Somalia.html another shot from the britts.

Cyclon, really i thot we were all over this ghost navy fantasy of yours. Mad

@Tom, some General Postnikov head of the Russian Ground Forces said this in Parliament once "Russia's most advanced tank, the T-90, is in fact a modification of the
Soviet-era T-72 tank but costs 118 million rubles (over $4 million) per
unit.

"It would be easier for us to buy three Leopards with this money"

Spartan, Crane and all Ugandans who would like to bash my head against the wall for the above, don't get me wrong. I am just expounding on what TON has said, the T-90 is just a 'souped up' T-72. Does that mean that a T-72AV is equal to A T-90S?

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 14:37

cylon wrote:Okay there is been talk about f-15's and how they would serve the kenyana region. but could a f-14 or a f-18 do the same. with several of these birds could they counter the su-30s of M7.

https://youtu.be/C0CT8KkjJE0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F14_Tomcat

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonnell_Douglas_F/A-18_Hornet

F-14s Are out of production. Majority of USN stock of these is to be destroyed to prevent blackmarket sales of spares to the IRIAF. Afew are reserved for DACT training in Top Gun.
They are to be fully replaced by the Super Hornets and future 5th gen fighters.

For today's trivia, did you know that the F-18 hornet can trace its design roots back to the F-5 tiger?
Yes the Hornet's design evolved from the humble Tiger.

Now back to reality! Just like the Jasiri, do not swallow any bool about KAF eagles until you see atleast one in KDF livery (preferably fly above Nai on Mashujaa Day)

Spartan Wed Feb 22 2012, 14:52

ole Nkarei wrote:In the KDF, the Sukhois were confirmed 18 months deep. No inkling of the T-90s, at least not where am seated, and I would have a wriggling inkling of such a thing, bro. Well, probe and confirm then....cannot be a breech if the dang things are already chewing up your countryside, Spartan!! Eeiish, bana!!

You wouldn't know unless you are near the Armoured Training School at Karama, and that's not my kind of thing. But take a look at these quotes and the links. Remember, Russian sites say it like it is;

"supplies the T-90S main battle tank to Uganda Contract which wholesale
signs according to 2010, this year Uganda receives one batch of T-90S
main battle tank from Russia, the concrete quantity has not for the
present the disclosure. Both sides have also signed one batch short
number - E the antitank system and the missile supply contract."
http://www.submitmytickets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2703&start=0

"the main battle tank, the Russian claim that last year, respectively, to
India, Turkmenistan, Uganda, delivered 80, 4 and 23 main battle tank."
http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/5422

the T-90S main battle Uganda supply tank
"package according to the contract signed in 2010, this year, Uganda
received from a group of Russian T-90S main battle tank, the specific
amount not yet disclosed. The two sides also signed a number of
“Cornet-E” anti-tank missile system and its supply contract"
http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/71145

"Apparently Uganda purchase and has already received 31 T-90A tanks, and a single KPM 1I37E maintenance unit for them."
You might want also to check out this;
http://stardefense.blogspot.com/2011/12/top-10-most-important-deliverable-of.html

jasiri Wed Feb 22 2012, 15:04

@Fusebox, was it the Tigershark F-20 that had an F-18 engine?
the Iranian targeted sanctions do little to help anyway since the IRIAF Air Forces have re-engined their Tomcats with the SATURN LYULKA AL-31F SU-27/30 engine. Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 F14_16

And there she floats on Russian engines.

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 15:46

jasiri wrote:@Fusebox, was it the Tigershark F-20 that had an F-18 engine?
the Iranian targeted sanctions do little to help anyway since the IRIAF Air Forces have re-engined their Tomcats with the SATURN LYULKA AL-31F SU-27/30 engine.
And there she floats on Russian engines.

Yup! F-20 used the same turbofan applied on the F-18.
For a long time i mistakenly assumed that it employed 1980s teen fighters' GE F110 because it was an 1980's re-design.

As for the F14, just imagine to what extent the IRIAF went to adapting the tomcats power plant from the F110 to the vodka burner!

I think the Russians must'av worked on that.....and studied the tomcat extensively.
Another reason why the tomcat was dumped for the hornet.

Anyways i don't think the swap does much coz there are other thousands of spares that need replacement.

The fact that their tomcat's fly today without OEM spares is a testament to the American Engineer. He is a force to recon with!

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 17:04

Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:In the KDF, the Sukhois were confirmed 18 months deep. No inkling of the T-90s, at least not where am seated, and I would have a wriggling inkling of such a thing, bro. Well, probe and confirm then....cannot be a breech if the dang things are already chewing up your countryside, Spartan!! Eeiish, bana!!

You wouldn't know unless you are near the Armoured Training School at Karama, and that's not my kind of thing. But take a look at these quotes and the links. Remember, Russian sites say it like it is;

http://www.submitmytickets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2703&start=0

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/5422

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/71145

http://stardefense.blogspot.com/2011/12/top-10-most-important-deliverable-of.html

Hahaah! Spartan, funny man!! I repeat, there ain't no T=90s lurking anywhere in Kenyana!

jasiri Wed Feb 22 2012, 17:13

fusebox wrote:

Yup! F-20 used the same turbofan applied on the F-18.
For a long time i mistakenly assumed that it employed 1980s teen fighters' GE F110 because it was an 1980's re-design.

As for the F14, just imagine to what extent the IRIAF went to adapting the tomcats power plant from the F110 to the vodka burner!

I think the Russians must'av worked on that.....and studied the tomcat extensively.
Another reason why the tomcat was dumped for the hornet.

Anyways i don't think the swap does much coz there are other thousands of spares that need replacement.

The fact that their tomcat's fly today without OEM spares is a testament to the American Engineer. He is a force to recon with!

There's a rumour that back in the 90's the Iranians flew a Tomcat to Russia for "Studies" i think the manifested fruits of this study are the still flying IRIAF F-14's. The Iranians are preety ingenious when it comes to after market mods. As for the decommissioning, the AIM 54 missile was also in all honestly redesigned after the Iranian revolution. i got a lot of respect for this suicidal persians.

Kobooz Wed Feb 22 2012, 17:24

ole Nkarei wrote:
Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:In the KDF, the Sukhois were confirmed 18 months deep. No inkling of the T-90s, at least not where am seated, and I would have a wriggling inkling of such a thing, bro. Well, probe and confirm then....cannot be a breech if the dang things are already chewing up your countryside, Spartan!! Eeiish, bana!!

You wouldn't know unless you are near the Armoured Training School at Karama, and that's not my kind of thing. But take a look at these quotes and the links. Remember, Russian sites say it like it is;

http://www.submitmytickets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2703&start=0

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/5422

http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/71145

http://stardefense.blogspot.com/2011/12/top-10-most-important-deliverable-of.html

Hahaah! Spartan, funny man!! I repeat, there ain't no T=90s lurking anywhere in Kenyana!

Ole man! your comment, hint, reaction on the kns Jasiri dirty naija rumour is highly coveted ho! My deep feeling though is that it will dock @ mto ngue

Spartan Wed Feb 22 2012, 17:51

ole Nkarei wrote:Hahaah! Spartan, funny man!! I repeat, there ain't no T=90s lurking anywhere in Kenyana!

Buddy, you're trying to use an old time-tested trick in counter intel called 'Elicitation' but, lets just say, I am a hard target.

Been looking for the link, but I've failed to find it. Some beasts arrived by train from Dar last year but I can't confirm they were T-90s. Nevertheless, the Armoured Training School has been busy. Below a tank commander displays his skills on a simulated tank system;

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Museveni_with_soldiers

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Museveni_with_soldiers

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 18:36

Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:Hahaah! Spartan, funny man!! I repeat, there ain't no T=90s lurking anywhere in Kenyana!

Buddy, you're trying to use an old time-tested trick in counter intel called 'Elicitation' but, lets just say, I am a hard target.

Been looking for the link, but I've failed to find it. Some beasts arrived by train from Dar last year but I can't confirm they were T-90s. Nevertheless, the Armoured Training School has been busy. Below a tank commander displays his skills on a simulated tank system;

Hehehe! Okay, you wily Bird! You are no kurutu, then. But, seriously, it is my business to know mambo kama haya. The Train Consignment was for the T-55-modified. Karama is not that seclusive and its contents, going-ons and condition of it is known. You know dang well this is so, Spartan. When you have hard intel about these hard-tops and can share it without compromise, please do so. I repeat, there ain't no T-90s Lurking anywhere in mother Kenyana!!

Olekoima Wed Feb 22 2012, 19:04

Spartan wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:In the KDF, the Sukhois were confirmed 18 months deep. No inkling of the T-90s, at least not where am seated, and I would have a wriggling inkling of such a thing, bro. Well, probe and confirm then....cannot be a breech if the dang things are already chewing up your countryside, Spartan!! Eeiish, bana!!

You wouldn't know unless you are near the Armoured Training School at Karama, and that's not my kind of thing. But take a look at these quotes and the links. Remember, Russian sites say it like it is;

"supplies the T-90S main battle tank to Uganda Contract which wholesale
signs according to 2010, this year Uganda receives one batch of T-90S
main battle tank from Russia, the concrete quantity has not for the
present the disclosure. Both sides have also signed one batch short
number - E the antitank system and the missile supply contract."
http://www.submitmytickets.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=2703&start=0

"the main battle tank, the Russian claim that last year, respectively, to
India, Turkmenistan, Uganda, delivered 80, 4 and 23 main battle tank."
http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/5422

the T-90S main battle Uganda supply tank
"package according to the contract signed in 2010, this year, Uganda
received from a group of Russian T-90S main battle tank, the specific
amount not yet disclosed. The two sides also signed a number of
“Cornet-E” anti-tank missile system and its supply contract"
http://www.9abc.net/index.php/archives/71145

"Apparently Uganda purchase and has already received 31 T-90A tanks, and a single KPM 1I37E maintenance unit for them."
You might want also to check out this;
[url=http://stardefense.blogspot.com/2011/12/top-10-most-important-deliverable-of.html

http://stardefense.blogspot.com/2011/12/top-10-most-important-deliverable-of.html[/quote[/url]]

There is absolutely no reason to doubt the content of these links. The same is extensively covered in several other links to the point of becoming confirmed news. One concern though is why Uganda is going for these rather expensive MBTs which even the Russians themselves do not seem impressed about. Granted, Russia is agressively looking for a market for these machines which they would rather not use for their army. Why not buy the relatively cheaper yet effective T-72s? For the price of one T-90, one could buy more of the T-72s(Russians prefering the Leopard to the T-90).

Spartan Wed Feb 22 2012, 19:13

How does the T-72A compare with the Chinese Type 59G operated by the Tanzanians, anyone? I don't tend to give much significance to how the outcome of a battle can be decided by your enemy's MBT, unless of course it's the vaunted M1 Abrams (US) or Israeli Merkava;

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Type_59G_main_battle_tank_Tanzania_Tanzanian_army_defence_forces_640

Kenya Defence Force - Page 8 Type_59G_main_battle_tank_Tanzania_Tanzanian_army_defence_forces_640

TPDF Type 59G Tanks

@olekoima, the Russians, when they've made up their mind, get thousands of them. So a small price change really makes a big difference.

Olekoima Wed Feb 22 2012, 19:38

jasiri wrote:
fusebox wrote:Speaking of the grippen, why do europeans LOVE delta-wing configs more than the stealthy,conventional pak-fa and f22 type config?

i think it partially has to do with a hangover from cold war air combat strategy. Because of the superior USSR air forces, NATO developed a strategy where in case of their air bases getting cratered they would use roads and hastily cleared forest air strips. for this to work they needed a plane that could perform the task effortlessly. so they designed delta winged canard design. in my knowledge of air crafts, canard equipped aircraft tend to have a shorter take off run as compared to conventional design a/c.

@ countersnipper, the port of Mombasa can handle a carrier. HMS Illustrious docked in Dec of 01, some French carrier docked sometime in 06 i think. a carrier of the Saipan displacement class can comfortably dock in MSA

I don't think this is true. In the cold war era, the East(Warsaw pact) was far superior in the ground while the West(read NATO) was equally far superior in the air. The sea front was somewhat evenly balanced.

UncleBoni Wed Feb 22 2012, 20:47

cylon wrote:
githinjibn wrote:I came across this forum last week, loved it and have been following it since then(though on the sidelines). I have been loving the witticism of @OleNkarei, @Jasiri and company in matters military. I couldn't help but observe that the forum has mainly been centered around military hardware. Being an IT guy, a coder to be specific, I wondered how adept is KDF in cyber warfare?

Nsis handles cyber warfare pretty well but there is nobody in africa probably foreign sources would hack our data stores. but knowing the government all data is still stored in paper meaning less of a threat to reveal any info. why do you think KDF is so good at hiding military secrets still from today i have no idea what the military of kenya buys with 1billion shillings annually

That's true, GoK could still be doing papers and that's probably why KDF is so secretive(read acquisition of hardware) but that will surely change soon. Modern warfare is nor just about acquiring next-gen military hardware, it also has a lot to do with the capability of an army to infiltrate the enemy while incurring the least in causalities and spending the least(read UAVs).
I'm not gonna talk a lot about NSIS coz I know not a lot about their effectiveness but I have for long heard them criticized of ineffectiveness and inadequacies(not just from SIN). As the military strategists forge the way forward, I'd strongly advise them to constitute a formidable cyber army. You know, the kind that can do Stuxnet(en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuxnet), drone viruses(wired.com/dangerroom/2011/10/virus-hits-drone-fleet/) etc. The type that can march China, Russian, Iranian cyber armies.

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 20:58

[quote="Olekoima"]

jasiri wrote:
fusebox wrote:Speaking of the grippen, why do europeans LOVE delta-wing configs more than the stealthy,conventional pak-fa and f22 type config?

[b][u][color=red]i think it partially has to do with a hangover from cold war air combat strategy....... NATO developed a strategy where in case of their air bases getting cratered they would use roads and hastily cleared forest air strips. for this to work they needed a plane that could perform the task effortlessly. so they designed delta winged canard design. in my knowledge of air crafts, canard equipped aircraft tend to have a shorter take off run as compared to conventional design a/c.

I don't think this is true. In the cold war era, the East(Warsaw pact) was far superior in the ground while the West(read NATO) was equally far superior in the air. The sea front was somewhat evenly balanced.

That was never definitely established, studies generally indicated Air-Force strengths at par, both Fighter and Strike. Both sides developing distinctly different Offensive and Response strategies, conventional and nuclear, with NATO determined to stop Warsaw Invasion within the 300Km or so between Warsaw Pact Staging Grounds and the German Border, while Warsaw Pact strategised on rapidly brieskreg overwhelming every hard-point in Central Europe using both Air Assets and their preponderance in Armoured Power. In this context then, JAS is spot on in the concepting and utilisation of the Delta-winged Strike and Fighter Plane during the Cold War era .

Control of the air was the linchpin in this theater conflict. Without control of the air, NATO would have been defeated because airpower could not have been brought to bear against Warsaw Pact armored forces. Secondly, modern airpower was the most strategically and operationally agile element of US military power and was the only element that could be brought to bear quickly from American territory into the European Theater. Thirdly, airpower offered great flexibility. Significant numbers of NATO fighters could have shifted from air defense to ground attack, to nuclear strike, and back, depending on the situation. But Warsaw was acutely aware of these facts and actively worked to mitigate against them.

Guest Wed Feb 22 2012, 22:20

The UNSC voted for UN logistics package for AMISOM, including funds for nine utility helicopters and three attack helicopters.. Shoot-me-dead!!!

They left out, intentionally or by quint incompetence, the Kenya Navy on aggressor-patrol from Gulf-of-Aden-to-Lamu and well out into the continental shelf - not a cent!!

But they loftily declared an embargo on Charcoal exports through Kismayo --without declaring a blockage of Kismayo!!

Eeeiish!!

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