Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

@ON
forgot to mention - my form 5-6 class was a unique one. It was 'militarised'. Classtime started with marching drills and shouting of orders. My buddy, Ben, (we called him Sgt Ben) was the leader and yours truly his able assistant. Everyone marched to class and stood by their seats until 'amri imetolewa' then they sat down. Three of us then led out in the usual drills before marching to our respective seats. We all loved it and enjoyed every bit of it. Therefore, when KAF [actually '82AF] recruiters came to town we were there. What started that the practice is a story for another day.

mogen wrote:@ON
forgot to mention - my form 5-6 class was a unique one. It was 'militarised'. Classtime started with marching drills and shouting of orders. My buddy, Ben, (we called him Sgt Ben) was the leader and yours truly his able assistant. Everyone marched to class and stood by their sits until 'amri imetolewa' then they sat down. Three of us then led out in the usual drills before marching to our respective seats. We all loved it and enjoyed every bit of it. Therefore, when KAF [actually '82AF] recruiters came to town we were there. What started that the practice is a story for another day.

Awesome!! A lot of us sort of fell into careers either by fate or accident. A substantial few subconsciously nurtured choices through role-playing in our formative years - all I remember of my involvement in Group Play is structured martial-type activities, not football, athletics, drama, that sort of thing. More like lock-and-step prancing aping Military parade drills, extensive boy-scouting, small game hunting with wooden arrows, forest-creeping, mock-fights with next village gangs, and later as a teenage into other things more 'robust'. Fitting into a structure, a vital part of a bigger entity, my shoulder toa shared yolk. Even going group-river-swimming as kids was a military-type affair.

In the Military, this distinction of '' Nurtured Choice'' shows eventually in career progression through the ranks. But you seem to have held on to that Mike-Alfa-Juliet incident for too long, buddy. Time to let go - serve well as you are serving. Ama?

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Somalia to have federal government

Interesting article and comments here: http://somalilandpress.com/somalia-nation-to-have-federal-government-29354

Could anyone confirm the number of dead

hi guys, a treasure trove dug up in some undisclosed location. Bonus points if you can identify ALL the casings....

Efrommers wrote:Could anyone confirm the number of dead

Don't always assume the worst,

we are a resilient people, if we survived MO1 we will outlast these #**$%s

am new here but have been following this forum amost every day...ACCORDING TO MOGADISHU-KNN REPORT.Afmadow has fallen to KDF,SNA a short while ago.how credible is this????

areba wrote:hi guys, a treasure trove dug up in some undisclosed location. Bonus points if you can identify ALL the casings....

.50 cal big bullet, second .270, .223 third bullet, cant figure out the last one but i know it.

Looking at the age of these bullets they must have originated circa 1940's

i know i might be off topic here but i think the spooks involved in monitoring information need to factor in information from unverified sources.. i couldnt help but notice that Goldman had warned of an attack that was different from the regular grenade attacks.. i believe that this fellow goldman has ears in various agencies that help him piece information..

jogoo2012 wrote:am new here but have been following this forum amost every day...ACCORDING TO MOGADISHU-KNN REPORT.Afmadow has fallen to KDF,SNA a short while ago.how credible is this????

It has been almost a month since Afmadhow fell. You will notice that KDF has reorted to a reserved media engagement

Source1

Source2

Efrommers wrote:

jogoo2012 wrote:am new here but have been following this forum amost every day...ACCORDING TO MOGADISHU-KNN REPORT.Afmadow has fallen to KDF,SNA a short while ago.how credible is this????

It has been almost a month since Afmadhow fell. You will notice that KDF has reorted to a reserved media engagement

Source1

Source2

AMISOM rules do not allow the rehatted KDF to have free-wheeling media contacts. However, I doubt if the fall
of Afmadow which has been reported in two sites only happened a month ago [the reports are only by: Strategic Intelligence News and KULMIYE News Network].

No doubt a lot must have happened in the last several weeks away from the media eye. I remember, months ago we read that the mobile phone transmission tower at Afmadow was knocked out. Al Shabaab claimed responsibility but most people saw the hand of KDF Special Ops guys. I never heard or read any report confirming that the transmission tower was back in action. I believe it is still out of action. Methinks, the battle of Kismayu/Chismaio isn't far now. My pesa nane

Risasi wrote:@observer. ON is one of the key contributors on the forum. His like a rain cloud once he passes all the frogs start croaking and emerging from their holes.
Also note that KDF has other types of military strikes other than surgical strike.

@forum from my personal two cents and not an official stand is. I feel the MoU is a “give the dog a bone” maneno. The media and the public want a reason for the delay well here is one. go fetch and chew it boy while we sort out some internal wrangles. It’s a legitimate one but not the crucial issue.

The critical issue still lay in balancing the regional players after the incursion and post OLN. The triangle lies between Ras Kamboni rivalry with the TFG and the two, rivalry with Ex-AS jump ships whom KDF wants to include in the future of the region as a motivating token...

My personal otonglo.

@risasi "otonglo" on MOU well noted, regarding the surgical strike i,m not in doubt KDF is versatile, i guess i meant "surgical" in the sense of a strategically planned offensive as opposed to a precision attack...as of @ON, well i do reckon the guy is like the "Mullah" so to speak, he does carry his field pack with finesse...i can picture him with a turban and long mustache, doubt he'd grow a beard based on KDF culture, is he a guy from the days of AFTC? ... i digress...

... Well if indeed the Moi Ave blast was Al Shabab then it takes me back to a post on this forum regarding AS most likely having a base in Kenya " the dragon head and tail story", which in many assessments may be valid. But if the Dragon has decided to shit where it lays it head then things must be really thick...could this be a precursor to the "chai movement"...does AS feel that with the imminent fall of Kismayo then even keeping their engagements away from their money markets back in Nairobi is no longer a strategy, a sort of last hiss from the dragon...if this is the case then we may see Nairobi streets getting deadly...

@Moi Ave blast i am trying not to look cold,lookslike a tit for tat reprisal after some incident below the radar went through. Kill my cat I kill your dog…kitu kama hivyo anyway we regret it but its part of our life sasa.
@Observer good on surgical strikes..but kuna nyengine which I was referring to . its called a Decapitation strike. Strikes that end the war before it start. That’s what I was referring to.
@mogen an impressive recruitment story yako p/s “transmission tower at Afmadow was knocked out…..” codename AWACS. Some ops shouldn’t be a surprise if you’re a die hard member of this forum. Ama?

Risasi wrote:
@mogen an impressive recruitment story yako p/s “transmission tower at Afmadow was knocked out…..” codename AWACS. Some ops shouldn’t be a surprise if you’re a die hard member of this forum. Ama?

@Risasi
We feel for the innocent victims of the Moi Ave incident. Lakini kazi yenu waacha iendelee mpaka mwisho. Mkipata kichwa mapema the better. Keep us in the dark pia sawa. We can live with that. Tunajua tu kazi ni moto kule. Unaona hata man 'Colossus' mwenyewe ameanza technical appearances hapa kama Bulletman.

Kenyan Ships Shell al-Shabab Controlled Kismayo





Mohammed Yusuf
May 29, 2012


Kenyan warships have shelled the Somali port of Kismayo. Kenya says it shelled the al-Shabab-controlled port city of Kismayo after Kenyan ships came under fire.

Kenyan military spokesman, Cyrus Oguna, said “they fired at us and we fired back.” Oguna says Kenya Defense Force ships routinely patrol the area, but this is the first time that they have engaged in combat in Kismayo. He said he could not confirm casualties at this time.


http://www.voanews.com/content/warships-fire-on-al-shabab-stronghold-in-somalia/1120702.html

chui wrote:Kenyan Ships Shell al-Shabab Controlled Kismayo





Mohammed Yusuf
May 29, 2012


Kenyan warships have shelled the Somali port of Kismayo. Kenya says it shelled the al-Shabab-controlled port city of Kismayo after Kenyan ships came under fire.

Kenyan military spokesman, Cyrus Oguna, said “they fired at us and we fired back.” Oguna says Kenya Defense Force ships routinely patrol the area, but this is the first time that they have engaged in combat in Kismayo. He said he could not confirm casualties at this time.


http://www.voanews.com/content/warships-fire-on-al-shabab-stronghold-in-somalia/1120702.html

Well they attack us we return the favor as mogen had stated above.

And it also looks like Alshabab is trying to take out the president and other government officals of Somalia prolonging the conflict further.
"In another development, security officials in Somalia say al-Shabab
fighters have ambushed a convoy escorting Somalia President Sheikh
Sharif Sheikh Ahmed as he returned from a visit to the recently
liberated town of Afgoye.

The president was not harmed and has returned Mogadishu. Several of his
bodyguards were injured by the attack in the Alamada area between
Mogadishu and Afgoye"

The Kismayo Naval activity was cover for a larger-than-usual covert insertion at 03H00, and a subsequent extraction, of our SOC chaps late same morning with some high-value Local Assets. Hummint, Mapping and Recon. Nothing to do with a tit-for-tat maneno.

AS ambushed the Presidential Motorcade was just a few Kilometres out of Afgoye along a corridor supposedly sanitized by UGABAG in their AMISOM breakout out of Mogadishu last week. Tactical intention is to slow down the AMISOM push north-west to Baidoa, by attacking the exposed flanks of AMISOM along the corridor - the possible killing of Sharif in this process was opportunistic. Insidiously clever buggers these AS chaps, never forget!!

SOC- KDF/Navy has been taking delivery of quite a lot of some specialist Combat Equipment from the stores Olekoima has referenced - and causing an ugly flap in DC. And also some new stuff only the USNavy Seals use - i.e 10 units of the 11M Naval Special Warfare Rigid Inflatable Boats, just to give indication of the seriousness of this maneno, jooo! Na bado.

Meantime, AS is running footage of interviews THEY CONDUCTED of victims and eyewitnesses of the MoiAvenue blast!! They watched and taped the aftermath of their dastardly work - and interposing themselves in the gathering crowds that clogged the scene and hampered rescue and detection activities, they spoke extensively to Kenyans who love shooting their mouths off at every opportunity! Dammit all!! This school-girl naivity of Kenyans must end, and we start conducting ourselves like a Nation under mortal attack defending itself!!!!!

ole Nkarei wrote:
SOC- KDF/Navy has been taking delivery of quite a lot of some specialist Combat Equipment from the stores Olekoima has referenced - and causing an ugly flap in DC. And also some new stuff only the USNavy Seals use - i.e 10 units of the 11M Naval Special Warfare Rigid Inflatable Boats...

@ON. True, President Obama got a great deal of bashing for gifting to Kenya several specialized combat vehicles including the 11metre rigid inflatable boats usually available to SEALs only. BTW the reports online indicate we are getting 5 (and not 10) of the inflatable boats.

Anyway, see what some Americans wrote about President Obama:
True_American says:
May 29, 2012 at 9:53 am
Since he’s on his way out, it looks as though he is going to build up his country of birth as much as possible at the expense of the American taxpayers. obama is a trifling excuse for a human being, and less as the POTUSA.

willyrho says:
May 29, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Is Kenya now going to let him on the Ballot to be Prime Minister of Kenya when he is OUTED as a Kenyan Born Native?

Spudmans1 says:
May 29, 2012 at 9:59 am
What a very good native son, Barry. Kind of brings a tear to your eyes that he is rewarding his homeland. Gee, I wonder if Kenya will sell one of them to Red China or the soviets so those countries can skip the R & D expenses and do what they usually do and copy them. Good call by you #44 and if something goes wrong just blame #43 like you always do
Source: http://www.westernjournalism.com/kenya-getting-navy-seal-boats-obama/

mogen wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:
SOC- KDF/Navy has been taking delivery of quite a lot of some specialist Combat Equipment from the stores Olekoima has referenced - and causing an ugly flap in DC. And also some new stuff only the USNavy Seals use - i.e 10 units of the 11M Naval Special Warfare Rigid Inflatable Boats...

@ON. BTW the reports online indicate we are getting 5 (and not 10) of the inflatable boats.

@mogen - Consume like nose-tobacco online reports on Defense procurement. Rarely is full-disclosure of these possible on discussion foras. More like morsels dropped to comply with the public-need-to-know. 10 Units under construction, for KDF-Navy, probably an equal number at some future date.

For a country with over 260 Million Citizens, the world crucible to boot, America has more than enough of her share of crack-pots (hell - Kenya is 30 Million and you would think it is inhabited wholly by crackpots when you peruse newspapers!! ) But whether they re-elect or reject Obama is entirely their business, which I care not one whit one way or the other.

ole Nkarei wrote:The Kismayo Naval activity was cover for a larger-than-usual covert insertion at 03H00, and a subsequent extraction, of our SOC chaps late same morning with some high-value Local Assets. Hummint, Mapping and Recon. Nothing to do with a tit-for-tat maneno.

AS ambushed the Presidential Motorcade was just a few Kilometres out of Afgoye along a corridor supposedly sanitized by UGABAG in their AMISOM breakout out of Mogadishu last week. Tactical intention is to slow down the AMISOM push north-west to Baidoa, by attacking the exposed flanks of AMISOM along the corridor - the possible killing of Sharif in this process was opportunistic. Insidiously clever buggers these AS chaps, never forget!!

SOC- KDF/Navy has been taking delivery of quite a lot of some specialist Combat Equipment from the stores Olekoima has referenced - and causing an ugly flap in DC. And also some new stuff only the USNavy Seals use - i.e 10 units of the 11M Naval Special Warfare Rigid Inflatable Boats, just to give indication of the seriousness of this maneno, jooo! Na bado.

Meantime, AS is running footage of interviews THEY CONDUCTED of victims and eyewitnesses of the MoiAvenue blast!! They watched and taped the aftermath of their dastardly work - and interposing themselves in the gathering crowds that clogged the scene and hampered rescue and detection activities, they spoke extensively to Kenyans who love shooting their mouths off at every opportunity! Dammit all!! This school-girl naivity of Kenyans must end, and we start conducting ourselves like a Nation under mortal attack defending itself!!!!!

can someone say which kdf ships did the shelling? i thought some of the ships recently refurbished by frankitieri of ITALY had their armaments systems removed.?

jogoo2012 wrote:am new here but have been following this forum amost every day...ACCORDING TO MOGADISHU-KNN REPORT.Afmadow has fallen to KDF,SNA a short while ago.how credible is this????

i find this strange...given that major chirchir is tweeting that the SNA story is fake and not reliable....misleading..

countersniper wrote:

jogoo2012 wrote:am new here but have been following this forum amost every day...ACCORDING TO MOGADISHU-KNN REPORT.Afmadow has fallen to KDF,SNA a short while ago.how credible is this????

i find this strange...given that major chirchir is tweeting that the SNA story is fake and not reliable....misleading..

@Countersniper
the story is most likely fake. it appeared on kunmiye news network and Strategic Intelligence websites and nowhere else. Those two are hardly reliable outlets. AMISOM website should have reported it. When I didn't see the story there I knew it wasn't reliable.

I actually have seen the boat in action. Seems that these boats have to have to be delivered by SEALS prior to SOC engaging in any assaults on Kisimayu. The fact that AS had been waiting the KN at Kisimayu is absolutely logical. These inflatable boats dubbed the "lamborgini" has every thing metallic/engine tucked within the boat, and the outer boat is completely made of fiberglass making it un-spottable through radar. They have a capability of mounting automatic grenade launchers and sub-machine guns. The incisive decisions by KDF to wait until they acquire elaborate weapons is really unmatched. I am positive Amisoms wisdom would be on the contrary to carelessly sacrifice and step in the danger-zone.

ole Nkarei wrote:The Kismayo Naval activity was
cover for a larger-than-usual covert insertion at 03H00, and a
subsequent extraction, of our SOC chaps late same morning with some
high-value Local Assets. Hummint, Mapping and Recon. Nothing to do with
a tit-for-tat maneno.

AS ambushed the
Presidential Motorcade was just a few Kilometres out of Afgoye along a
corridor supposedly sanitized by UGABAG in their AMISOM breakout out of
Mogadishu last week. Tactical intention is to slow down the AMISOM push
north-west to Baidoa, by attacking the exposed flanks of AMISOM along
the corridor - the possible killing of Sharif in this process was
opportunistic. Insidiously clever buggers these AS chaps, never forget!!

SOC- KDF/Navy
has been taking delivery of quite a lot of some specialist Combat
Equipment from the stores Olekoima has referenced - and causing an ugly
flap in DC. And also some new stuff only the USNavy Seals use - i.e 10
units of the 11M Naval Special Warfare Rigid Inflatable Boats, just to
give indication of the seriousness of this maneno, jooo! Na bado.

Meantime,
AS is running footage of interviews THEY CONDUCTED of victims and
eyewitnesses of the MoiAvenue blast!! They watched and taped the
aftermath of their dastardly work - and interposing themselves in the
gathering crowds that clogged the scene and hampered rescue and
detection activities, they spoke extensively to Kenyans who love
shooting their mouths off at every opportunity! Dammit all!! This
school-girl naivity of Kenyans must end, and we start conducting
ourselves like a Nation under mortal attack defending itself!!!!!

Thanks@ ON AS seems to look like well cornered rodents according to reports from SOC, they seem to be lamenting against KN fire. Just a question @ ON; can our Internal security organs match up to the task? Seems there is a disconnect in regards to intelligence-sharing between our disciplined forces which I think should be reversed in the near future if we are to succeed in beefing our Internal security. We can testify of a very strong defense forces but a sloppy police unit. And the units we have like paramilitary police wing to upgrade training to full military operations while the regular police to upgrade training to paramilitary

countersniper wrote:
as far i know the M60 NAVAL specialist boats being given to kenya navy by the USA are mostly no longer in use as they were faced out by new boats that can carry a more lethal crew of 7 to 10 men... because the M60 is designed to carry maximum five heavily armed commando style men.
M60 are mostly in storage as surplus equipment i the usa navy.

@Countersniper
The rigid inflatable boats [described by the US Navy as “High-speed, high-buoyancy, extreme-weather craft with the primary mission of SEAL insertion/extraction”] destined for Kenya are being built. They are the kind in the clip below [typically carry 3 crew members and 1 SEAL Squad]. But you never know these things. They may already have some delivered and some on the way.Either way, there is something going on and will be clearer soon

https://youtu.be/r2KqytXgUOU

mogen wrote:

countersniper wrote:
as far i know the M60 NAVAL specialist boats being given to kenya navy by the USA are mostly no longer in use as they were faced out by new boats that can carry a more lethal crew of 7 to 10 men... because the M60 is designed to carry maximum five heavily armed commando style men.
M60 are mostly in storage as surplus equipment i the usa navy.

@Countersniper
The rigid inflatable boats [described by the US Navy as “High-speed, high-buoyancy, extreme-weather craft with the primary mission of SEAL insertion/extraction”] destined for Kenya are being built. They are the kind in the clip below [typically carry 2 crew and 7 SEALS]

https://youtu.be/r2KqytXgUOU

thanks i have retracted my post above. my information was wrong...ABOUT THE BOATS.sorry. but as you can see from that you tube video..the boats can only carry maximum four to five operators

Just
curious, how could M60 being given to KN be obsolete to the new boats
that can carry more than 10-commando crew with heavily mounted
sub-machine guns and automatic grenade launchers. As @countersniper
suggest, with respect to the boat's capacity, I think this aspect does
not reduce (11M NSW RIB) capability. The in-thing for the boat is buoyancy. that means the boat has to to be light to perform. I have also seen the zodiac CZ7 operation which I think is the main-boat in action for the US navy

countersniper wrote:

mogen wrote:

countersniper wrote:
as far i know the M60 NAVAL specialist boats being given to kenya navy by the USA are mostly no longer in use as they were faced out by new boats that can carry a more lethal crew of 7 to 10 men... because the M60 is designed to carry maximum five heavily armed commando style men.
M60 are mostly in storage as surplus equipment i the usa navy.

@Countersniper
The rigid inflatable boats [described by the US Navy as “High-speed, high-buoyancy, extreme-weather craft with the primary mission of SEAL insertion/extraction”] destined for Kenya are being built. They are the kind in the clip below [typically carry 2 crew and 7 SEALS]

https://youtu.be/r2KqytXgUOU

thanks i have retracted my post above. my information was wrong...ABOUT THE BOATS.sorry. but as you can see from that you tube video..the boats can only carry maximum four to five operators

@Countersniper
I counted upto 8 in the picture [+room for 2 more] see it here: http://www.tradeaidmonitor.com/2012/05/kenya-getting-navy-seal-boats-from-obama.html

https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=ba9813b1a3d85451b51fef145293ef58&tab=core&tabmode=list&print_preview=1

Efrommers wrote:Just
curious, how could M60 being given to KN be obsolete to the new boats
that can carry more than 10-commando crew with heavily mounted
sub-machine guns and automatic grenade launchers. As @countersniper
suggest, with respect to the boat's capacity, I think this aspect does
not reduce (11M NSW RIB) capability. The in-thing for the boat is buoyancy. that means the boat has to to be light to perform. I have also seen the zodiac CZ7 operation which I think is the main-boat in action for the US navy

i clarified my post. i was reffering to an item i came across saying USA navy seals now operate much more capacity fast insertion crafts that carry seven to10 armed men.the ones featured has only three to four men plus one driver operator..and this kdf already Operates these from a few years back. given as anti terror aid by usa government

see this video..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32W7odoWs8w

meanwhile..the refurbished kdf ships arrived at kenya navy base last year...

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?id=2000041029&cid=464&story=State%20upgrades%20Navy%20fleet%20as%20security%20challenges%20mount&articleID=2000041029

countersniper wrote:

thanks i have retracted my post above. my information was wrong...ABOUT THE BOATS.sorry. but as you can see from that you tube video..the boats can only carry maximum four to five operators

No need for apologies, buddy. Honest minor error.

Btw, USNavy Seal sticks / teams are five men, like the Brits SAS, SBS while the Marine-Recon are optimized at 9 sometimes 11. - different tasking which underlies philosophy of training, equipment, command and control, etc. KDF-cdu/sbs are patterned to the SBS and Seals, and mirrored on the earlier constituted Deltas in the KDF-Army. Cross-training is then optimal, local and with these ''mother'' Units.

These boats were created exclusively for the Seals, seating Five Armed Seals and operated by three Navy on two heavy Machine Guns and a 40MM Mortar. They suit KDF just fine, because it is not envisaged that there will be larger-scale Navy conflicts in Kenyana anyway - more like black drapes ops with small compartmentalised teams of specialist forces. The boats are completely new, not hand-me-downs from the USNavy.

Reason the USNavy is moving on to the larger boat is to integrate their SEALS usage into the Marine-Recon requirement in space and armament. Hiyo tuu!!

Oh, the Afmadow story? Loud telling silence on this claim by the Uniforms on this Forum! Ama??