Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

agreed with ole nkarei
that indeed there is regulation on the books on ways and how the responsible media should operate. The CCK is supposed to be the one setting up the rules as the regulatory body.
BUT as far as i know there is no one sited on a desk somewhere within the NSIS purposely getting all manner of stories from all the corners of Kenya an approving which one will be aired or reproduced in print media.
There are no resources to do that or to say the least you can utilize those means elsewhere.
BUT this does not mean no one is listening.Believe me ..there is someone listening to content all the time...do you remember when someone came up with a requirement that all political gatherings or public speeches be recorded?this was after politicians caught out on the wrong side of the law claimed they were misquoted.
NOW DAYS IT IS EVEN BETTER ..WE HAVE INSTANT YOU TUBE UPLOADS. i can record you on my smart phone ..enter the next cyber cafe and in seconds upload your speech to the entire world.

[quote="Flying Crane"][quote="cylon"]

ole Nkarei wrote:


Hey cyclone cut out that teenage crap of yours. That’s a document you did on Microsoft word and posing it as a Sipri report. the fonts betrays you nigga. Grow up man. what do you benefit by posting lies on the forum? Cut out that wanna be staff or go form your own forum and satisfy your wimp.

We are deliberating meaningful topics , do us a favor go suck your thumb by the bedside while we discus Nation security issues If you can,t contribute on the discussion
.

I challenge you to post the credible website that indicate your above findings. You think we are all stupid as you are????. live your age , stop being an over grown baby.

Change for a better living Crane. Why do you have to throw tantrums hear now n then?

Can't you see you are diminishing your own credibility here as a blogger??...Or might you be one of those plubby malcontent cum cesseonist wannabeS who hav been banned from speaking to the MD?

You see...We wouldn't mind a well informed but not necessarily jingoistic Ugandan resourceperson providing some a homers perspectives and san spinning any "FABLES OF THE GREEN FOREST"

Cylon is well respectable n credible enough as he is, NO need for skirmishes around.

there is still room for improvement,...THE BALL IS ON YOUR SIDE my friend.

My Apologies Ole Nkarei, I misquoted you.

ole Nkarei wrote:

mogen wrote:

@ON - how about this story: Cargo ship sinks and blocks Kismayo port
http://somaliareport.com/index.php/post/3451/Ship_Sinks_in_Kismayo_Blocking_Port

don't know whether this is an A.S. deliberate action for some heinous gain

Sinking of a Maritime Asset on the Habor mouth or Estuary impedes Movement-in and Movement-out. To varying degrees.

That Rock blamed by the AS as the cause of the ''Accident'' did not naturally ''grow'' overnight on that specific spot, you know.

Now, what are the ramifications of the Habor-closure, to all ''interested'' parties?

Is the weight of loss outweighing on the Outflow or the Inflow of traffic?

Hehehee!!

@ON
my observations:
1. The businessmen who undertook this adventure must have some connections to A.S. - after all, they had to pay “taxes” for use of the port. I'm curious about the claim several 'businessmen' [a cooperative] own the 500kg of 'Sugar' onboard the sunken ship.
2. Prior to calling at Kismayo the vessel called on Mogadishu port– a little prudence would have seen the cargo impounded thus denying Al Shabaab logistical support.

To answer your question [may have been rhetorical] I'd say: It presents more problems for inbound traffic incl ammunition, therefore bad for AS. Outbound goods can go out through elsewhere.

The rock must have 'grown' very quickly indeed. Amazing, ehe! It appears there is more than meets the eye but clearly, interesting times are ahead. Can't wait to watch the unfolding drama. In the meantime vijana waendelee kuchapa kazi. May even see replay of Kismayo 2007!

Here is a pic of the ship as it went down"


On another note:
Al Shabaab have a system in which they make most companies based in central and southern Somalia to pay them the annual Zakah plus “donations” for special military campaigns, even if those companies are not in al Shabaab-held territories. For example, they withdrew from Mogadishu on the 6th of August of 2011 but they continued [?continue] to get their annual Zakah from the big companies based in Mogadishu. Others, such as Dahabshiil, are not even based in south Somalia but have been paying A.S. so that they may have access to the regions and towns controlled by the group.

To stop A.S. extortion they must be made to lose:
1) territory and;
2) their security wing.

Best news on progress in Soomaaliya that I read today is here: http://www.globalpost.com/Somalia-conflict-al-shabaab-hudur
The country is clearly turning a corner.

A.S. fighters' Kenyan widows: http://allsomali24.com/2012/06/16/kenyan-al-shabab-fighters-present-problems-for-families/

"Everybody in Soomaaliya is tired of war" Mohamed Abdi Abdullahi (A.S. defector)

Save me another day Jasiri and tempest. The info you have (tempest) posted doesn,t indicate a consignment of 93 aircrafts and 8 warship. I want cylone or cylon or whatever his botanical name is, to produce that info which reflects his posting.
The web links that you posted cyclone send us to the Spri homepage no such data.
are you trying to be stupid or something.

@ Cycoh 'DUDUS' you don,t want to mess with me today …ok

Below is the authentic Sipri report posted by Tempest .

tempest wrote:Here is what was bought



And the below was declared by Ukraine in 2010

Al Shabaab trying to persuade Kismayo elders to take up arms
Multiple sources say that al-Shabab had set up a new defensive position in a place called Birta Dheer, midway on the road between Afmadow and Kismayo. Birta Dheer is the main strategic position for the militants, and if that position is taken it may be difficult for al-Shabab to defend the port city of Kismayo. In fact, intelligence reports indicate that al-Shabab met with Kismayo clan elders to encourage them to fight against allied forces. However, al-Shabab is likely not to put up a fight and may pull out of the port city.
http://dagaal.com/2012/06/09/somali-militia-says-forces-move-closer-to-al-shabab-stronghold/

It looks like all the discussion about Kenya buying F-18 and F-16 was all hot air.

Based on info we see on multiple sources..and the Standard newspaper which was specific about Rafale, it looks like we have this metal


To me, it looks realistic since the French are more desparate to sell their stuff and have even recently sold even the technology to India.
Further, this is not a huge monster jet like f-18 yet it carries a comparable load and has good electronics.
I am convinced that kenya has this bird.

bwanapesa wrote: ...Based on info we see on multiple sources..and the Standard newspaper which was specific about Rafale, it looks like we have this metal...

@bwana chapaa
The authority of the standard article [you refer to] is questionable. Take that info with a large pinch of salt. I'm not privy to KDF procurement statistics and will let others speak but trash the work of that lazy Standard journalist. I believe, and there is enough evidence that we have the Rafale but that does not exclude the existence of kinds of birds. The ability to add things to the Rafale without obstacles is certainly a plus for this bird. No doubt, there is something going on (quietly) between KDF and the French.
It is an attractive bird
https://youtu.be/lWeiG52Q88w

@Bullet man, please help us here. Where are you hiding?

bwanapesa wrote:It looks like all the discussion about Kenya buying F-18 and F-16 was all hot air.

Based on info we see on multiple sources..and the Standard newspaper which was specific about Rafale, it looks like we have this metal

What are you willing to bet, @bwanapesa?

That Standard Story was lifted word-word-for-word off these pages, without the slightest efforts of validation by any insider-source. ''Our Sources tell us..'' ''Defense industry sources confirm..'' If conversations here are hot air, like you put it, then it follows that the Standard story was rumour-mongering, eh??


The French bird, variant A,B C & M price tag ranging Usd91-130Million a piece - limited penetration in the Arms Market. Beautiful bird, like the Citroen, but there in lies its weaknesses too. Also note that the Froggies shafted Gaddafi without batting an eye.

American Eagles A/B/C/D/Strike and Silent Variants range between Usd31-100 Million. Much better bird in all considerations, better support, solid history, and less complication the Geopolitics of this Kenyana. Comparatively, Sammy has better staying power when convinced his strategic interests justify - 10 years in Iraqi despite the huge cost in manpower, equipment, international goodwill and finances.

ole Nkarei wrote:

Efrommers wrote:That is significantly sending a message across. It diverges us from the thoughts that there is a sudden backing-down in consideration by KDF/GK on the war against terror. Ksh 83b for operations in Somalia. Even Bok* H@r@m should be shivering to there spine. Somalia for the next four years is a no go zone and playground for terrorists. At least we should not entertain another creation of a Yemeni landscape in E. Africa.

kDoD gets about Ksh70 Billion or so which is about at par with current GoK cover the KDF. Balance Ksh13.5 Billion is NSIS external / Internal / Economic.

AU/UNSC pick up the tab for OLN pre-and-post rehatting - which is substantially a really huge expediture-tranche of kDoD anyway. Ergo, a lot more of this Allocation will be redirected to Equipment procurement, TOR and Training than would have been possible were OLN to have closed in December, even with the same level of Budgetary Allocation.

Also Gava-to-Gave equipment transfers not featured in this Allocation will be substantial this year, in view of the dynamics developing around us.

@ON, thanks for breaking this down, it is good that military procurement/purchase/procedures be made transparent henceforth just as Mh. Ruto stated to prevent it from intense politicization. It will be a sigh of relief that in the coming future no politics will dare constrain efforts by KDF/GoK.

Kismayo in pictures:


dilapidated Kismayo airport:


Kismayo port:

Kismayo University:

al Shabaab fighters defence line at Birta Dheer near Kismayo:

Shabaab march in Kismayo:

Blasts near Kismayo:

And lastly, a Meles-needs-alshabaab cartoon [perhaps this might explain the recent puzzling moves by the ENDF in southern Somalia]:

Harafu burudika na hii porojo (enjoy this 'armchair journalistic trivia'). http://africaanswerman.com/?p=4950

I do not think ENDF/AWSJ are keen to end the Somalia and the terrorist menace. Ethiopia's homeland security is currently not under vicious threats. For them, they are not keen and neither regard the final consequences of loosing such towns to AS. Their incursion is not based on fighting terror and its probable combatants per-se, but an action founded out of Sammy's admonition and moral support. In fact, these uncoordinated operations if unchecked will significantly multiply the clouds of war at sector II and III. The other most visible downside of operations by allied forces is the open boycott of CAS and aerial bombardment to spot and deter combatant movement. Does it matter how you effectively incapacitate the combatant. Just a question...How well have AMISOM command and its forces prepared to counteract such occurrences. Or are they like the proverbial "goats" heading to the slaughter house unawares of the dangers in-front, rushing to "Chaisimayu" while other sectors pose significant threats to entire operations?

Efrommers wrote:I do not think ENDF/AWSJ are keen to end the somalia and the terrorist menace. Ethiopias homeland security is currently not undervicious threats. For them, they are not keen and neither regard the final consequences of loosing such towns to AS. Their incursion is not based on fighting terror and its probable combatants per-se, but is an action founded out of sammys admonition and moral support. Infact, these uncoordinated operations are multiplying the clouds of war. Does it matter how you incapacitate the combatats. And the most visible downside of deployed operations is the open boycott of CAS and heavy bombardment for such sensitive operations.

@Efrommers
You see, whether it is Sammy's bidding or not Ethiopia has its own age-old agreements and recent joint business ventures with Kenya which need to be considered. Sammy may provide Ethiopians with money but not land or ports thro' which to ship Ethiopian goods. Kenya can and is set to provide that service. Why undermine Kenya's effort in Somalia when Kenya is trying to secure that safe passage?

Another op-ed from a misinformed academic. Check it here: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/its_lonely_being_no_1?page=0,0

Uganda Army to Acquire US Aircracts With ISR Capabilities

U.S. Africa Command projected it could transfer air-crafts with Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities worth $51.5 million to several African countries including Uganda, Djibouti Burundi, and Mauritania.

........This technology is mainly fitted in fast jets, large airliner class transport airframes, satellites, or Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV).

Source (Strategic Intelligence News /?p=2532) (defensenewsstand.com)



Gentlemen.....what is your take on Uganda's increasing military fortunes?

mogen wrote:

Efrommers wrote:I do not think ENDF/AWSJ are keen to end the somalia and the terrorist menace. Ethiopias homeland security is currently not undervicious threats. For them, they are not keen and neither regard the final consequences of loosing such towns to AS. Their incursion is not based on fighting terror and its probable combatants per-se, but is an action founded out of sammys admonition and moral support. Infact, these uncoordinated operations are multiplying the clouds of war. Does it matter how you incapacitate the combatats. And the most visible downside of deployed operations is the open boycott of CAS and heavy bombardment for such sensitive operations.

@Efrommers
You see, whether it is Sammy's bidding or not Ethiopia has its own age-old agreements and recent joint business ventures with Kenya which need to be considered. Sammy may provide Ethiopians with money but not land or ports thro' which to ship Ethiopian goods. Kenya can and is set to provide that service. Why undermine Kenya's effort in Somalia when Kenya is trying to secure that safe passage?

Another op-ed from a misinformed academic. Check it here: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/its_lonely_being_no_1?page=0,0

@Mogen,
It's ok and there is nothing wrong with deliberating on common economic interests, but such jibes from misinformed scholars/US based think-tanks are not worthy. Their indignations are aroused from their visibly declining influence in matters military for the perceived "stubborn" horn of Africa. Notable successes have been achieved on the first phase of OLN. In a few words, it is an obscuring campaign for AMSIOMS/KDF's role. Why couldn't they rank themselves after the infamous "black-hawk-down". We have no situation where dead Kenyan soldiers have been dragged on a rough asphalt tarmac. Most soldiers have passed on as a result of enemy-fire and aircraft mishaps. (Just a thought on ENDF....) If war is expensive, can AS be completely defeated on a shoe-string budget? That is the reason it might be neccessary to rehat more soldiers from other countries to boost the successes of the war against AS. From the theater, there seems to be an indication of a very low resolve to ensure militants are completely wiped out.

http://www.stripes.com/news/africa/us-spying-in-africa-with-network-of-ordinary-looking-planes-1.180295

mogen wrote:
Another op-ed from a misinformed academic. Check it here: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/its_lonely_being_no_1?page=0,0

Other than his less than enthusiastic preditction of KDF's eventual achievements, I see nothing wrong with his theory. Doesn't Kenya's Azania/Jubaland project fall well within his thesis?

Al Bashir wrote:

mogen wrote:
Another op-ed from a misinformed academic. Check it here: http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/06/18/its_lonely_being_no_1?page=0,0

Other than his less than enthusiastic preditction of KDF's eventual achievements, I see nothing wrong with his theory. Doesn't Kenya's Azania/Jubaland project fall well within his thesis?

@Al Bashir
Any proposal that does not address the refugee crisis, especially the urgency of a solution, while pontificating on the need to follow European or other templates falls short. Clearly, time has ran out for Somalis and their neighbours. 20+ yrs of suffering, insecuriry etc is too long a time.

In the meantime, there is an encouraging development. Check it here https://youtu.be/4dHxM2UgNKg

Analyst wrote:
Uganda Army to Acquire US Aircracts With ISR Capabilities

U.S. Africa Command projected it could transfer air-crafts with Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities worth $51.5 million to several African countries including Uganda, Djibouti Burundi, and Mauritania.

........This technology is mainly fitted in fast jets, large airliner class transport airframes, satellites, or Unmanned Aerial Vehicles (UAV).

Source (Strategic Intelligence News /?p=2532) (defensenewsstand.com)



Gentlemen.....what is your take on Uganda's increasing military fortunes?

My take is that someone needs to re-read the article, originally published in The Washington Post. The planes are meant for AFRICOm ops in the theaters shown below


The only thing they are sharing is intel, no where did I read that the planes were to be transferred to any participating countries, of which Kenya is one. Actually, if you had looked hard enough, you would have seen the powerpoint detailing what the contractors providing the aircraft were required to do.

So, how about a little due diligence before your analysis becomes a finished product.

i don't believe that we have over 100 American commandos based at manda bay on the Kenyan coast.

OTHERWISE IF THAT IS THE CASE why did those Somali kidnapers slip past and kidnap the french and British women last year?
how come we do not see any of their vessels or equipment patrolling the area?
The locals would be telling stories about American activities in the area.

in fact kdf spokesperson Colonel oguna has denied the presence of American commandos anywhere on Kenyan soil.

Gentlemen.....what is your take on Uganda's increasing military fortunes?

My take is that someone needs to re-read the article, originally published in The Washington Post. The planes are meant for AFRICOm ops in the theaters shown below


The only thing they are sharing is intel, no where did I read that the planes were to be transferred to any participating countries, of which Kenya is one. Actually, if you had looked hard enough, you would have seen the powerpoint detailing what the contractors providing the aircraft were required to do.

So, how about a little due diligence before your analysis becomes a finished product.[/quote][/quote]

Spartan...i beg to differ

Your answer is in reference to this article (U.S Opening More Spies and Drone Bases in Africa, SIN-/?p=2516)

U.S Opening More Spies and Drone Bases in Africa

Strategic Intelligence reports presence of Swiss made unmarked turboprop planes fitted with state of the art cameras and sensors in East and Central Africa. According to the intelligence, these planes fly thousands of miles between bases. The planes models are the single-engine Pilatus PC-12s, small passenger and cargo planes manufactured in Switzerland (Defense News)

The United States is militarizing its intelligence operations in Africa. In the Islamic Maghreb, the US has spy bases in Mauritania and Burkina Faso to gather intelligence on Al-Qaeda.

In Central Africa, Uganda and South Sudan harbor these spy planes and drones bases. The bases are used to launch operations to rout militants including the LRA and possible movement of North African Al-Qaeda through Sudan-Ethiopia to Eritrea and Somalia.

In East Africa, Ethiopia Seychelles, Djibouti, and Kenya are home to more advanced drones, spy planes, and intelligence gathering bases run by the CIA and the US special operations units.

My question is in reference to the below reference

Uganda Army to Acquire US Aircracts With ISR Capabilities (SIN-/?p=2532)

U.S. Africa Command projected it could transfer air-crafts with Intelligence Surveillance Reconnaissance (ISR) capabilities worth $51.5 million to several African countries including Uganda, Djibouti Burundi, and Mauritania.

Intelligence shows that US defense department has authorized this deployment whose objective is increasing the effectiveness of U.S. counter-terrorism operations.

Quite particular

mogen wrote:

Kismayo Today

Al-Shabaab leaders and fighters know they can't win the war against the allied forces who are expected in town anytime now. Nevertheless, they are frantically trying to rally men to help them defend the city. Religious propaganda is a great tool they are desperately trying to exploit.

They have also increased patrols within the city and residents have frequently seen armed fighters using boats mounted with machine guns in and around the port. Locals confirm that the fighters patrol the city from dawn to dusk.

Al-Shabaab has also added a series of checkpoints from Bulla-Hajji in the southern section, and also from the north side of the city particularly in the main districts and villages of Lower-Jubba region. They are highly visible in Jilib to Kamsuma and Bulla-gudud of the Lower-Jubba region.

The city's airport has deteriorated so much that it is unusable. However, the the seaport remains viable and it constitutes the main money spinner for the al-Shabaab.

The port works efficiently for nine months of the year, but the struggles in the months of July, August and September due to waves and monsoon winds which make docking difficult and time consuming. The three months are known as Kuusi (i.e. no money) months.

Typically, the port handles 38 boats per month. Al-Shabaab currently charges US$1.50 per unit ton and the fee for a 6000 ton capacity ship is $2225 dollars and the average income for al-Shabaab is $15 - $20 million dollars per month or up to $240 million dollars per year.

Kismayo in pictures:


dilapidated Kismayo airport:


Kismayo port:

Kismayo University:

al Shabaab fighters defence line at Birta Dheer near Kismayo:

Shabaab march in Kismayo:

Blasts near Kismayo:

And lastly, a Meles-needs-alshabaab cartoon [perhaps this might explain the recent puzzling moves by the ENDF in southern Somalia]:

Harafu burudika na hii porojo (enjoy this 'armchair journalistic trivia'). http://africaanswerman.com/?p=4950

Thanks for the link! You know the Whites reveal much of their innermost thoughts in their writings. Their unconscious leanings push their true tendencies to the fore which explains why every OLN writeup they do isn't only dismissive but contemptuous.
Bwanapesa,there's no way in hell we're getting Rafales!

countersniper wrote:i don't believe that we have over 100 American commandos based at manda bay on the Kenyan coast.

OTHERWISE IF THAT IS THE CASE why did those Somali kidnapers slip past and kidnap the french and British women last year?
how come we do not see any of their vessels or equipment patrolling the area?
The locals would be telling stories about American activities in the area.

in fact kdf spokesperson Colonel oguna has denied the presence of American commandos anywhere on Kenyan soil.

This is what they are saying:-

http://www.capitalfm.co.ke/news/2012/06/kenya-denies-hosting-us-spy-plane-operations/

may be we should follow this example from the British police and ask Google to delete propaganda material regarding kdf by alshabab from youtube in the name of denying them a propaganda platform..including tweter and facebook.





http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/communication-breakdown-10000030/police-demand-deletion-of-640-youtube-terrorist-videos-10026414/?s_cid=165



interesting reading...just wondering who this so called senior member of USA congress is and why he is pushing for collective punishment of KDF.i think this is linked to OBAMA re election politics and his Kenyan connection.

the people of mount Elgon applauded the kdf after they got rid of saboati land defense thugs just like they will do to the alshabab thugs in Somalia.

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/US+Congress+not+so+enthusiastic+on+Kismayu+assault/-/2558/1430750/-/1utnjy/-/index.html

countersniper wrote:
interesting reading...just wondering who this so called senior member of USA congress is and why he is pushing for collective punishment of KDF.i think this is linked to OBAMA re election politics and his Kenyan connection......
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/US+Congress+not+so+enthusiastic+on+Kismayu+assault/-/2558/1430750/-/1utnjy/-/index.html

@countersniper

Hopefully we are getting closer to the day when the captured administrators are freed


http://allafrica.com/stories/201206190367.html

mambotupu wrote:Hopefully we are getting closer to the day when the captured administrators are freed
http://allafrica.com/stories/201206190367.html

@mambotupu
Me too, I'm waiting to hear about the two administrators and soldiers whom A.S. has been holding captive.
I was encouraged when I read the story above. Some Somalis know where those guys are kept but me
thinks they will be returned unharmed, perhaps after the fall of Kismayo.

mogen wrote:

countersniper wrote:
interesting reading...just wondering who this so called senior member of USA congress is and why he is pushing for collective punishment of KDF.i think this is linked to OBAMA re election politics and his Kenyan connection......
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/US+Congress+not+so+enthusiastic+on+Kismayu+assault/-/2558/1430750/-/1utnjy/-/index.html

@countersniper

Senator Patrick Leahy is playing election politics. Being the first and only Democratic Congressman ever elected in Republican-leaning state of Vermont is generally pandering to Republican interests. They are busy propping up our neighbours to the north, NW and west who are no saints while demonising Kenya, especially our Defence Force. Phew, washindwe! Kismayu itaanguka wasaidie wasisaidie.

Best and most detailed article I read today on the war against A.S. is here:
http://www.mogadishutimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=309:senior-al-shabaab-leaders-flee-to-yemen-as-kdf-eyes-kismayu-&catid=1:qorshe-cusub

the same senator and the other republican ISSA are pushing for the downfall and possible impeachment of the first black attorney general and by extension president Obama through the fast and furious gun running scandal started by Bush.There will be a contempt vote today in the house on this.

Analyst wrote:Spartan...i beg to differ

Your answer is in reference to this article (U.S Opening More Spies and Drone Bases in Africa, SIN-/?p=2516)

U.S Opening More Spies and Drone Bases in Africa

Strategic Intelligence reports presence of Swiss made unmarked turboprop planes fitted with state of the art cameras and sensors in East and Central Africa. According to the intelligence, these planes fly thousands of miles between bases. The planes models are the single-engine Pilatus PC-12s, small passenger and cargo planes manufactured in Switzerland (Defense News)

Bro, I don't read S.I.N articles. I was only reacting to your assertion, which you swallowed hook, line and sinker from SIN, copied and pasted here , that Uganda and other countries were to receive ISR-capable planes. Which begs the question, are you and the S.I.N author one and the same?

I read the article from source, The Washington Post here.