Uganda Peoples Defence Force (UPDF),

@spartan most of your elite Kids were on Brit DPM during the jubilee. Adapted those for SF/Elite crew?

Uzi wrote:
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/636361-independence-terror-attack-foiled-kayihura.html

"Kayihura said 27 have been charged in court and four released on bond pending further investigation. He also revealed that there are some young people who are being trained in Kenya, DRC and Tanzania to return here and destabilize Uganda".

Those are serious allegations, I sure hope you are wrong Police Chief, Gen. Kale Kayihura.

i sincerely hope this is a case of misreporting by an overzealous press
i don't think anyone sensible has time to train anyone to destabilize people in Uganda from Kenya..
we Are too grown up for that kind of shit.

countersniper wrote:i sincerely hope this is a case of misreporting by an overzealous press i don't think anyone sensible has time to train anyone to destabilize people in Uganda from Kenya..we Are too grown up for that kind of shit.

Kayihura wasn't implying that "Kenyans'' of "Kenya'' was trying to destabilise Uganda. Probably Al Shabaab or a radical Madrasa or even ADF, all of whom are active in Kenya.

HokumA wrote:When we were in school truckloads of PGB would be poured to frisk each student entering the compound all day long, the Man would show up in the evening have tea with the VC and off he went. I remember a time we went on strike and Men/Women of Bombo in full combat gear including a tank came to say hi, M7 does love a secure environment if you ask me.

We can't argue with, or corroborate your version of events. You really survived those PGB boys, didn't you? Nice to hear you went to school here though.

Risasi wrote:@spartan most of your elite Kids were on Brit DPM during the jubilee. Adapted those for SF/Elite crew?

Brigadier Muhoozi has been using it, now it has been fully adopted by the Special Forces Command/group.

Spartan wrote:

HokumA wrote:When we were in school truckloads of PGB would be poured to frisk each student entering the compound all day long, the Man would show up in the evening have tea with the VC and off he went. I remember a time we went on strike and Men/Women of Bombo in full combat gear including a tank came to say hi, M7 does love a secure environment if you ask me.

We can't argue with, or corroborate your version of events. You really survived those PGB boys, didn't you? Nice to hear you went to school here though.

@Spartan that's is the gospel truth. I was there for more than 5 years loved the food and of course the Westerna Women.

HokumA wrote:@Spartan that's is the gospel truth. I was there for more than 5 years loved the food and of course the Westerna Women.

My mother comes from the west, and yeah, they are beautiful women. But that's as far as I will agree with you here.
Tanks are armored vehicles designed to take on other armored vehicles or fortifications, not schoobies. Either the one who gave the order for the tanks to go to a school, along with the tank crew were mad or the story never happened.

Spartan wrote:

HokumA wrote:@Spartan that's is the gospel truth. I was there for more than 5 years loved the food and of course the Westerna Women.

My mother comes from the west, and yeah, they are beautiful women. But that's as far as I will agree with you here.
Tanks are armored vehicles designed to take on other armored vehicles or fortifications, not schoobies. Either the one who gave the order for the tanks to go to a school, along with the tank crew were mad or the story never happened.

@Spartan when this happened Kisanja (third term) was the hottest topic after federal and it so happened that people from my school had nothing but love for the FDC Man so deterrence was a matter of priority.

HokumA wrote:@Spartan when this happened Kisanja (third term) was the hottest topic after federal and it so happened that people from my school had nothing but love for the FDC Man so deterrence was a matter of priority.

Bro, the whole of Kampala and other urban centres are FDC, and tanks can't change that fact. Can we drop this?

RIP Comrades!!

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Sierra Kilo wrote:RIP Comrades!!

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Skeptical UG readers think the toll is higher than reported. Whatever the case might be: RIP the fallen UPDF heroes. The captured Bardugle Airbase [runway bigger than Mogadishu Airport's runway]must never revert to the alkebaabs' hands.

mogen wrote:

Sierra Kilo wrote:RIP Comrades!!

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Skeptical UG readers think the toll is higher than reported. Whatever the case might be: RIP the fallen UPDF heroes. The captured Bardugle Airbase [runway bigger than Mogadishu Airport's runway]must never revert to the alkebaabs' hands.

Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

aggressor one wrote:

mogen wrote:

Sierra Kilo wrote:RIP Comrades!!

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Skeptical UG readers think the toll is higher than reported. Whatever the case might be: RIP the fallen UPDF heroes. The captured Bardugle Airbase [runway bigger than Mogadishu Airport's runway]must never revert to the alkebaabs' hands.

Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

I read in the 'East African' John Onyango Obbo having written it's believed the toll is higher. He is ugandan......on my part I have no reason not to believe the toll released by updf

aggressor one wrote:

mogen wrote:

Sierra Kilo wrote:RIP Comrades!!

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

Skeptical UG readers think the toll is higher than reported. Whatever the case might be: RIP the fallen UPDF heroes. The captured Bardugle Airbase [runway bigger than Mogadishu Airport's runway]must never revert to the alkebaabs' hands.

Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

Ma broda. I'm Kenyan and not skeptical. I accept the number given by the UPDF because I have no reason to doubt. I believe what you tell me until I confirm you have told me untruths then I start to doubt. Here are the negative reader comments i was referring to:

READER COMMENTS
@Tommy • 14 hours ago
If Kulaygye reports 4, those are 14 dead soldiers.

@You idiots! • 7 hours ago
The Ugandan gov't is reaping big from this war in terms of dollars. However, some ugandans will always pay in blood. I will bet thlse killed are more than four.

You can see them and more in the Readers' Comments section here http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/4+UPDF+soldiers+killed+in+Somalia/-/688334/1539584/-/2cs12y/-/index.html

aggressor one wrote:Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

It’s advisable to first gather all facts then rush out into offence else you end up mobilizing to counter friendly forces, not cool . Some of the readers of the article felt that the UPDF was giving a scaled down count of the KIA occasioned by the ambush on a UPDF unit en route to Baidoa.

HokumA wrote:

aggressor one wrote:Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

It’s advisable to first gather all facts then rush out into offence else you end up mobilizing to counter friendly forces, not cool . Some of the readers of the article felt that the UPDF was giving a scaled down count of the KIA occasioned by the ambush on a UPDF unit en route to Baidoa.

In any case, these are people's opinions. Nothing to worry about. I don't see why you guys should fight about these. There cannot be shortage of varied opinions in the net. Just read them and move on.

Olekoima wrote:

HokumA wrote:

aggressor one wrote:Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

It’s advisable to first gather all facts then rush out into offence else you end up mobilizing to counter friendly forces, not cool . Some of the readers of the article felt that the UPDF was giving a scaled down count of the KIA occasioned by the ambush on a UPDF unit en route to Baidoa.

In any case, these are people's opinions. Nothing to worry about. I don't see why you guys should fight about these. There cannot be shortage of varied opinions in the net. Just read them and move on.

The count of UPDF KIA can not be hidden during an international assignment like AMISOM, simply because every death and injury is processed and payments done, and accountability filed with the UNSC and other funders. The AMISOM page on wikipedia is updated regularly on all casualties, including those who die in hospitals in Nairobi and elsewhere. My own count (GOU put it at 75 two or three months ago, and they were right then) is that all the UGABAG groups have lost 81, plus or minus three. 81 KIA in six years in an active theatre like Somalia is pretty impressive, although I would have preferred if there were none. If you multiplied KDF KIA in the past one year, it would come to around the same figure. Our Burundian brothers have not been so lucky, with 140 or so killed so far.

But there are those who thrive on rumours and conspiracy theories, who will believe anything, including enemy propaganda.

Spartan wrote:

Olekoima wrote:

HokumA wrote:

aggressor one wrote:Which skeptical Ugandans think that the toll was higher? Or it is you who is pretending to be a 'skeptical Ugandan?

It’s advisable to first gather all facts then rush out into offence else you end up mobilizing to counter friendly forces, not cool . Some of the readers of the article felt that the UPDF was giving a scaled down count of the KIA occasioned by the ambush on a UPDF unit en route to Baidoa.

In any case, these are people's opinions. Nothing to worry about. I don't see why you guys should fight about these. There cannot be shortage of varied opinions in the net. Just read them and move on.

The count of UPDF KIA can not be hidden during an international assignment like AMISOM, simply because every death and injury is processed and payments done, and accountability filed with the UNSC and other funders. The AMISOM page on wikipedia is updated regularly on all casualties, including those who die in hospitals in Nairobi and elsewhere. My own count (GOU put it at 75 two or three months ago, and they were right then) is that all the UGABAG groups have lost 81, plus or minus three. 81 KIA in six years in an active theatre like Somalia is pretty impressive, although I would have preferred if there were none. If you multiplied KDF KIA in the past one year, it would come to around the same figure. Our Burundian brothers have not been so lucky, with 140 or so killed so far.

But there are those who thrive on rumours and conspiracy theories, who will believe anything, including enemy propaganda.

Look, what UPDF and burundian forces have accomplished in Crazy Town and elsewhere in Somalia cannot be hidden
http://horseedmedia.net/2012/10/24/signs-of-hope-surface-in-somalia/

We have this Ugandan page yet some people still post Uganda stuff on the Kenyan page. I wonder why.

Uganda feeling frustrated here. I can understand their position:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-20081847

Who said that sector 1 was quiet?

http://allafrica.com/stories/201210251444.html

More pictures from that Hind mess.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Uganda+pulling+out+of+Somalia++says+Amama/-/688334/1609936/-/d778ygz/-/index.html

It apparent M7 wasn't bluffing. Something ought to be done to prevent this action or else the gains achieved at crazy town will be reversed. Am not sure Burundi contingent can hold on its own or whether Crazy town fits in KDF's OLN plan. Where is AU's voice in all this?

Uzi wrote:http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Uganda+pulling+out+of+Somalia++says+Amama/-/688334/1609936/-/d778ygz/-/index.html

It apparent M7 wasn't bluffing. Something ought to be done to prevent this action or else the gains achieved at crazy town will be reversed. Am not sure Burundi contingent can hold on its own or whether Crazy town fits in KDF's OLN plan. Where is AU's voice in all this?

It's about time. For a long time so-called UN experts had it easy on hapless African governments. If the UN doesn't make a total and public walk-back of these accusations, I too support the withdrawal. The tone, mood and content of statements from the ministers all point to an air of finality on this issue.

Spartan wrote:

Uzi wrote:http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Uganda+pulling+out+of+Somalia++says+Amama/-/688334/1609936/-/d778ygz/-/index.html

It apparent M7 wasn't bluffing. Something ought to be done to prevent this action or else the gains achieved at crazy town will be reversed. Am not sure Burundi contingent can hold on its own or whether Crazy town fits in KDF's OLN plan. Where is AU's voice in all this?

It's about time. For a long time so-called UN experts had it easy on hapless African governments. If the UN doesn't make a total and public walk-back of these accusations, I too support the withdrawal. The tone, mood and content of statements from the ministers all point to an air of finality on this issue.

@Sparta man
As I have said elsewhere, in this war with the reckless UNSC agents M7 is presently winning and will have the last laugh. The offending report may never be debated, that is if the trajectory of this manenos remains the same. But if, indeed, the report authors happen to table hard/incontrovertible evidence of a corrupt GoU official caught with his hand in the till in DRC then things will be elephant. Certainly, I do not countenance the possibility of M7 eating humble pie vis a vis this matter. in the meantime, the alkebabs high command must be praying, without ceasing, for the worst case scenario.

http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/UN+distances+self+from+Congo+report/-/688334/1610644/-/lisbqlz/-/index.html

I hope this settles it. sorry Kebabs you should have prayed harder

Uzi wrote:http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/UN+distances+self+from+Congo+report/-/688334/1610644/-/lisbqlz/-/index.html

I hope this settles it. sorry Kebabs you should have prayed harder

Obviously withdrawal of UPDF would not only set a bad precedent for African initiatives such as AMISOM but more critically embolden stragglers within the al kabab which is on its deathbed to hang in and wait for a better day. The UNSC cannot have their cake and eat it too...MONUC is one gigantic waste of resources because when m23 established in their zone of operation, where were they?

I also have troubling feelings about the m23 ...there is a Bishop Jean-Marie Runiga. Who is he and what is his life history? Who is Colonel Sultani Makenga and what is his story? Where were these guys say 3 four years ago? Where is Gen Nkunda? How close is Bunagana from the Ug border?

Suppose that it is actually true these fellas are getting some kind of support?

Ei maswali tele kweli!

Moozalendo.

THE UNSC has blinked; GOU my fellows, are a force to recon with and a strong contender in the Som theater.

Kodos

Flying Crane wrote:THE UNSC has blinked; GOU my fellows, are a force to recon with and a strong contender in the Som theater.

Kodos

I think these comments by fabrizio on the Kenyan forum capture the reality here.

Fabrizio wrote:I would not go as far as saying they blinked. I am not sure how familiar the monitor's reporters are with the workings of an international body like the UN. The report has neither been adopted nor rejected. Mr. Singh, the Indian representative, states the obvious in diplo-speak. When he says the views expressed by the experts “do not necessarily reflect those of the United Nations.” he leaves open the possibility that they may eventually reflect those of the UN.

Here is the report http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/UN+distances+self+from+Congo+report/-/688334/1610644/-/lisbqlz/-/index.html. Needless to say, the headline UN distances self from Congo report is misleading.

Sierra Kilo wrote:

Flying Crane wrote:THE UNSC has blinked; GOU my fellows, are a force to recon with and a strong contender in the Som theater.

Kodos

I think these comments by fabrizio on the Kenyan forum capture the reality here.

Fabrizio wrote:I would not go as far as saying they blinked. I am not sure how familiar the monitor's reporters are with the workings of an international body like the UN. The report has neither been adopted nor rejected. Mr. Singh, the Indian representative, states the obvious in diplo-speak. When he says the views expressed by the experts “do not necessarily reflect those of the United Nations.” he leaves open the possibility that they may eventually reflect those of the UN.

Here is the report http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/UN+distances+self+from+Congo+report/-/688334/1610644/-/lisbqlz/-/index.html. Needless to say, the headline UN distances self from Congo report is misleading.

Remember the authors of the report leaked it one media house. Not officially thro' the UNSC. A statement has nevertheless been made even if the UNSC full council ends up denouncing it in toto. The Indian ambassador wasn't speaking for himself. He's the UNSC President for the month of Nov 2012 and was therefore mandated to receive Uganda's protest letter. His word on this matter is official. You will soon see the UNSC forcefully denouncing the report and cutting adrift its agents who wrote it. The stakes are rather too high for them to take any other step.