Uganda Peoples Defence Force (UPDF),

Spartan wrote:

Olekoima wrote:Congratulations:-
http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/90-UPDF-soldiers-get-promotion/-/688334/1654982/-/r9lo2d/-/index.html

I was finally remembered. Not.

Not? Kudos all the same.

Check this:-

http://www.theafricareport.com/20121115501821502/east-horn-africa/ugandas-yoweri-museveni-a-regional-heavyweight-with-feet-of-clay-501821502.html

Nothing surprisingly insightful in that opinion which typifies Western narrative of Africa to suit Western Strategic Posturing.

Not to mean there are no truths expressed in the article, but that good disinformation is founded on same basic truths around contrived half-truths.

History written by East Africans will be very kind and appreciative of the Grand Ole Man M7 - his intentions, actions, successes, failures, philosophy, ideology.

Problem is that African History is often written and narrated by Westerners and their collaborative local cronies.

Olekoima wrote:Check this:-

http://www.theafricareport.com/20121115501821502/east-horn-africa/ugandas-yoweri-museveni-a-regional-heavyweight-with-feet-of-clay-501821502.html

http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/638624-nebanda-boyfriend-arrested-in-kenya-extradited.html

We pay tribute to the Kenya government and, in particular the Kenya Police, for their efforts to trace and deport the fugitive.

Lt. Gen Kale Kayihura

Hip Hip to regional cooperation

Uzi wrote:http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/638624-nebanda-boyfriend-arrested-in-kenya-extradited.html

We pay tribute to the Kenya government and, in particular the Kenya Police, for their efforts to trace and deport the fugitive.

Lt. Gen Kale Kayihura

Hip Hip to regional cooperation

Kayihura spoke for all of us who wanted the country to move on. Hope the fugitive's capture disabuses some wananchi of the notion that we kill unarmed civillians.

Spartan wrote:

Uzi wrote:http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/638624-nebanda-boyfriend-arrested-in-kenya-extradited.html

We pay tribute to the Kenya government and, in particular the Kenya Police, for their efforts to trace and deport the fugitive.

Lt. Gen Kale Kayihura

Hip Hip to regional cooperation

Kayihura spoke for all of us who wanted the country to move on. Hope the fugitive's capture disabuses some wananchi of the notion that we kill unarmed civillians.

All the more reason why criminals should not commit atrocities at home and hope to find shelter/hide in neighboring countries. Regional governments are increasingly working together. This is good for everyone.

aggressor one wrote:

i don,t think they is any think wrong by asking "where are the new toys that you guys allergically said you had"

he has a right as a taxpayer to ask...and lets cut the crap of bla blaa blaaa security.

for instance our Su-30 are Su30MK2 and its all to Google what it can and can,t do, and that my dear would change its ability what so ever.

The Uganda Civil Aviation Authority had a successful 'Open day' over the weekend, were Ugndans from all walks of life had a glimpse of planes and even had a 30 minute fun flight for US$15. The UPDAF had their assets on display-including Sus, Mig23s, Mig21s, L-39s, Mi-24 and Jet rangers. There was a lot of acrobatic action too.

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What became of the recent visit to Red square. Are u getting this bird? I suspect the first
Havoc we see in the region will be on Ug colours despite .Ke having a head start.

Uzi wrote:I suspect the first
Havoc we see in the region will be on Ug colours despite .Ke having a head start.

Rumour has it UG may soon have them.but then we know Ke has at least 16 of them in it's inventory.Eventually we'l see them in Ke colours Uzi.relax

mchoraji wrote:

Uzi wrote:I suspect the first
Havoc we see in the region will be on Ug colours despite .Ke having a head start.

Rumour has it UG may soon have them.but then we know Ke has at least 16 of them in it's inventory.Eventually we'l see them in Ke colours Uzi.relax

@Mchoraji, reliable rumour on this side of Atlantic put it that UG is gunning for 16 of them just like Ke plus an option of a dozen Ka 52. Fueling fire to that rumour is that pilot selection and training is started. Looks like recent m7 trip to red square was serious. Maybe Flying crane can disclose what is necessary.
I would prefer a mix of Mi-28 and Mi-171 as opposed to Ka 52. An armed Mi-171 with a capacity of 25 troops is ideal for vertical insertion or other special ops. 3 of them can effectively lift GI coy strong with support wpns. Tactical employment of such combination can be lethal especially with sufficient training. What do you guys think?

Hi, am in crazy town and wider Somalia. i have to say, tremendous work done here by AMISOM since last visit. I hve met a few Kenyan men, mainly escorts of Kenyan officers at force h/q. They look good with their M-16s. I will give you a clear assessment of the situation in a few days, but if you have an questions, just fire it.

@Mchoraji, reliable rumour on this side of Atlantic put it that UG is gunning for 16 of them just like Ke plus an option of a dozen Ka 52. Fueling fire to that rumour is that pilot selection and training is started. Looks like recent m7 trip to red square was serious. Maybe Flying crane can disclose what is necessary.
I would prefer a mix of Mi-28 and Mi-171 as opposed to Ka 52. An armed Mi-171 with a capacity of 25 troops is ideal for vertical insertion or other special ops. 3 of them can effectively lift GI coy strong with support wpns. Tactical employment of such combination can be lethal especially with sufficient training. What do you guys think?

Mi-171 is perfect for resupplying FOB and to some extent tactical engagement but looking at the fuselage this bird is primarily a medium-lift helicopter. That said the bird combination will depend on what the UPDF is aiming to achieve there is a clear need for modern reliable attack helios as there is a need for medium-lift helios, the UPDF military decline seems for think of international boundaries as unusually thick lines on the map making the Mi-171 a sensible choice. However Mi-171 has been in service since 80's but too many of these birds have been lost to small arms file, shoulder-fired missile and accidents.

Other than acquiring the Mi-171 the UPDF should look at acquiring the upgraded Mi-35 the Indians went for this as compared to acquiring the Apache which speaks volumes about this bird they call it the Apache baap (father). The Mi-35 score A's when it comes to survivability it is also packing 80 mm rockets, 23 mm cannons and nose-mounted four-barrelled 12.7 mm gatling guns, it can also be equipped with ant-tank missiles and other goodes which makes it a gunship and attack helio all rolled into one. It can also play the troop transport role but on a limited scale.

The Ka-52 looks good, the bird was designed to do recon, target designation and provide tactical support for ground troops and other attack helios. But the bad economic times affected the development what was produced was not what the designers and the Soviet council of Ministers envisioned for example

1. to solve a weight issue they scaled down the armor plating
2. also some components on this bird were developed by third party Countries like Israel (due to slow development of homemade components) which might make technology transfer a thorny issue.

Given the choice UPDF should go for the tried and tested ka-50 (Hokum A).

Perfect combination = 16 ka-50 + 12 Mi-35 (acquire or upgrade current Mi-25) + 3 to 6 Mi-171 (never leave home without escort)

The Mi-35

aggressor one wrote: I will give you a clear assessment of the situation in a few days, but if you have an questions, just fire it.

Ssebo Aggressor no questions for now.but compile a detailed report.really waiting to hear what's happening up there.If someone could let us know what's happening in Sector 2 would also be good

This story seems to confirm what i saw earlier on SIN:-
http://www.strategypage.com/qnd/uganda/articles/20130110.aspx

SIN story,
http://intelligencebriefs.com/?p=3259

daily monitor wrote: Uganda’s oil prospects yesterday got a boost following another discovery in the northern part of the country.The Commissioner for Petroleum, Mr Ernest Rubondo, confirmed the development but declined to give details, pending what he referred to as further analysis.

“I can confirm that we have discovered more oil in Nwoya, but the details about the volume and its commercial viability can only be ready in about three weeks after analysis,”

So UG discovers more oil in the Northern region. Seems like our region has been sitting on all these riches for all these years.How come Johnny never exploited this wealth when he was in charge? I heard that the brits had an idea that western uganda had oil since early last century. There was this area that had a black substance oozing from the ground but they never exploited it. Then shell discovered oil in turkana kenya way back in 1990 why i ask was further analysis not done back then? Anyway gas in Tz and possibly off shore in kenya & more oil in Ug & kenya.
The current oil find in Ug will be good news to the people Ugandans call Northerners. It's quite near the region's capital Gulu. I've lived in Ug & Norther & Eastern Ug seemed the most under-developed. Add the kony war in the mix & a few strange diseases like the so called 'nodding disease' & it's an area in dire need of this type of news.May this herald a new era of security & development in the region. Hope the west learns to approach the region respectively arrogance will only make russians & uncle Hu reap big time.

my parents worked for the shell company in the 1950s and i also remember in the the late 60s as as toddler we lived on the grounds of kilembe mines in uganda when my dad worked there.he has once told me that the British new there was oil in east Africa ..but for the political reasons decided not to exploit these since most of the countries were fighting for independence.
we shall only get to know the truth if secret papers kept by the colonial government are released after 70 years.

aggressor one wrote:Hi, am in crazy town and wider Somalia. i have to say, tremendous work done here by AMISOM since last visit. I hve met a few Kenyan men, mainly escorts of Kenyan officers at force h/q. They look good with their M-16s. I will give you a clear assessment of the situation in a few days, but if you have an questions, just fire it.

wait too. roger oscar

Risasi wrote:

aggressor one wrote:Hi, am in crazy town and wider Somalia. i have to say, tremendous work done here by AMISOM since last visit. I hve met a few Kenyan men, mainly escorts of Kenyan officers at force h/q. They look good with their M-16s. I will give you a clear assessment of the situation in a few days, but if you have an questions, just fire it.

wait too. roger oscar

Hi, it is all quiet in Mogadishu and to a person like me who has been visiting this city for the last few years, this is a very strange feeling. I had been accustomed to my body armor and helmet Somalia is on the way to humanity again. i was in Mogadishu for over a week and for the first time, i did not hear any gunshot through out all those days. This is a sign of better security in Mogadishu.Humanity is slowly but surely returning to Mogadishu. Roads are being constructed all over the city, road lights are being set up, new buildings are coming up, and night life is active again.

The seaport is more active now, with at least 15 huge ships waiting to dock every day. The airport receives at least 30 flights every day including from established companies like Turkish airways. There has not been any suicide bombing in Mogadishu for the last two months-which is also very strange indeed. I can rightly say for now that al shabaab is defeated and only waiting to be buried in Somalia.

There are reports that they are regrouping in the mountains of Puntland, AMISOM should be given a mandate to follo them there.

Risasi wrote:

aggressor one wrote:Hi, am in crazy town and wider Somalia. i have to say, tremendous work done here by AMISOM since last visit. I hve met a few Kenyan men, mainly escorts of Kenyan officers at force h/q. They look good with their M-16s. I will give you a clear assessment of the situation in a few days, but if you have an questions, just fire it.

wait too. roger oscar

By the way, the location of the French hostage rescue attempt was less than 15 miles from the UPDF last defence after Marka. UPDF/AMISOM coms were picking the action from kebaabs coms. The fact is that the objective was not at that location. Strange why the French did not give a lip to the Ugs who have been near this location for close to three months now.

Risasi wrote:

aggressor one wrote:Hi, am in crazy town and wider Somalia. i have to say, tremendous work done here by AMISOM since last visit. I hve met a few Kenyan men, mainly escorts of Kenyan officers at force h/q. They look good with their M-16s. I will give you a clear assessment of the situation in a few days, but if you have an questions, just fire it.

wait too. roger oscar

By the way, the location of the French hostage rescue attempt was less than 15 miles from the UPDF last defence after Marka. UPDF/AMISOM coms were picking the action from kebaabs coms. The fact is that the objective was not at that location. Strange why the French did not give a lip to the Ugs who have been near this location for close to three months now.

We moved around Somalia using UN aircraft that were recently brought in Somalia to improve the mobility of the UG contingent, i am not sure if the Kenyans are using the same planes-two Mi-8s and two ATR-72s based at mogadishu airport. But i was told that they have got a lot of restrictions, just like other UN property.

Read this in today's paper. Intresting talk from the General

Museveni tells MPs: Army can take over. President Museveni is reported to have warned the ruling party’s retreat in Kyankwanzi on Wednesday that if the “confusion” in Parliament persists, the military would not allow it.

The President’s reported warning came days after Defence Minister Crispus Kiyonga also delivered a veiled fear of a military intervention if MPs continue undermining public confidence in Parliament.

He however looks quite nice in uniform.


With kenyan VP

Now the ugandan CDF Gen Nyakairima says army take-over indeed possible if the hawkish MPs don't behave

Addressing a press conference to announce plans for this year’s Army Day, which falls on 6th February, the Chief of Defence Forces, Gen. Aronda Nyakairima, said the military would not allow “bad politics” take Uganda back into turmoil.

“We are going about our normal business. I can’t do more than what they said. The message was well taken for those to who it was intended. Stand warned. Stand advised. Should you not change course, other things will be brought into play. Let no one return to the past. We have seen enough, almost 25 years of turmoil.

Gen. Aronda was responding to a question raised by a journalist and when asked for clarification on the coup talk, he said, “the message was deliberately sent out and we leave it at that.”

Then the defence minister has also weighed in warning anyone asijaribu kuleta nyoko nyoko or the army will handle things. this must be quite intimidating. coming from kenya where there is so much freedom to do whatever one thinks of can't even imagine e.g Gen. Karangi or minister Yusuf Haji saying something even remotely related to the above statement. but as mogen pointed out in another post ours is a professional not revolutionary military & i like it that way

Defence Minister Crispus Kiyonga has emphasised the possibility of the military stepping back into political control should the politicians continue “not showing seriousness that they can solve the problems” facing the country.

Dr Kiyonga re-echoed the comments he recently made to the Parliament’s committee on rules and privileges and a day after President Museveni was quoted to have made similar comments at the ruling National Resistance Movement (NRM) caucus retreat at Kyankyanzi.

Dr Kiyonga, who first joined Parliament in 1980, told the Sunday Monitor in a wide-ranging interview that he had made the comments in Parliament not knowing that some of those in attendance worked for newspapers or that there were journalists but in confidence to colleague MPs and in the right forum of a committee of Parliament.

mchoraji wrote:Now the ugandan CDF Gen Nyakairima says army take-over indeed possible if the hawkish MPs don't behave

Addressing a press conference to announce plans for this year’s Army Day, which falls on 6th February, the Chief of Defence Forces, Gen. Aronda Nyakairima, said the military would not allow “bad politics” take Uganda back into turmoil.

“We are going about our normal business. I can’t do more than what they said. The message was well taken for those to who it was intended. Stand warned. Stand advised. Should you not change course, other things will be brought into play. Let no one return to the past. We have seen enough, almost 25 years of turmoil.

Gen. Aronda was responding to a question raised by a journalist and when asked for clarification on the coup talk, he said, “the message was deliberately sent out and we leave it at that.”

Then the defence minister has also weighed in warning anyone asijaribu kuleta nyoko nyoko or the army will handle things. this must be quite intimidating. coming from kenya where there is so much freedom to do whatever one thinks of can't even imagine e.g Gen. Karangi or minister Yusuf Haji saying something even remotely related to the above statement. but as mogen pointed out in another post ours is a professional not revolutionary military & i like it that way

Defence Minister Crispus Kiyonga has emphasised the possibility of the military stepping back into political control should the politicians continue “not showing seriousness that they can solve the problems” facing the country.

Dr Kiyonga re-echoed the comments he recently made to the Parliament’s committee on rules and privileges and a day after President Museveni was quoted to have made similar comments at the ruling National Resistance Movement (NRM) caucus retreat at Kyankyanzi.

Dr Kiyonga, who first joined Parliament in 1980, told the Sunday Monitor in a wide-ranging interview that he had made the comments in Parliament not knowing that some of those in attendance worked for newspapers or that there were journalists but in confidence to colleague MPs and in the right forum of a committee of Parliament.

I think this was a blunder by those involved. It seems the intended result back fired badly.

Interesting analysis http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Russia-targets-Uganda-as-big-market-for-weapons/-/688334/1688320/-/hgncp8/-/index.html

@Ug forummer why do UPDFAW transporters (fixed wings) have a brief spell in the AF colours and are end up or are operated by THE Uganda Air Cargo Corporation? First it was the C-130 and It seems that the 2 Y-12 also followed the same direction.
UPDF Y-12





it had a paint job at wilson airport K.E
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Uganda-Air/Harbin-Y12-IV/1938315/L/

Risasi wrote:@Ug forummer why do UPDFAW transporters (fixed wings) have a brief spell in the AF colours and are end up or are operated by THE Uganda Air Cargo Corporation? First it was the C-130 and It seems that the 2 Y-12 also followed the same direction.
UPDF Y-12





it had a paint job at wilson airport K.E
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Uganda-Air/Harbin-Y12-IV/1938315/L/

How easy is it to change plane numbers? I see three numbers: B-893L, B-907L and 5X-UYZ for the one in the link. Is it possible we are looking at different planes? Anyhow, UPDAF and Uganda Air Cargo Corporation fall under the Defence Ministry and re-registration (along with repainting) of aircraft is perfectly legal. However, don't expect to see any SU-30MK2 in civilian Ugandan colours soon .

Spartan wrote:

Risasi wrote:@Ug forummer why do UPDFAW transporters (fixed wings) have a brief spell in the AF colours and are end up or are operated by THE Uganda Air Cargo Corporation? First it was the C-130 and It seems that the 2 Y-12 also followed the same direction.
UPDF Y-12





it had a paint job at wilson airport K.E
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Uganda-Air/Harbin-Y12-IV/1938315/L/

How easy is it to change plane numbers? I see three numbers: B-893L, B-907L and 5X-UYZ for the one in the link. Is it possible we are looking at different planes? Anyhow, UPDAF and Uganda Air Cargo Corporation fall under the Defence Ministry and re-registration (along with repainting) of aircraft is perfectly legal. However, don't expect to see any SU-30MK2 in civilian Ugandan colours soon .

Those planes belong to Ministry of Defence, just like UPDF however they are also hired out to civilians either to carry cargo or move around the world. That is why it became neccessary to have them in civilian colors. For example, while the two C-130s are being used to transport UPDF/AMISOM cargo to somalia, they are also used by civilians to transport cargo to Europe and the region.

Spartan wrote:

Risasi wrote:@Ug forummer why do UPDFAW transporters (fixed wings) have a brief spell in the AF colours and are end up or are operated by THE Uganda Air Cargo Corporation? First it was the C-130 and It seems that the 2 Y-12 also followed the same direction.
UPDF Y-12





it had a paint job at wilson airport K.E
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Untitled-(Uganda-Air/Harbin-Y12-IV/1938315/L/

How easy is it to change plane numbers? I see three numbers: B-893L, B-907L and 5X-UYZ for the one in the link. Is it possible we are looking at different planes? Anyhow, UPDAF and Uganda Air Cargo Corporation fall under the Defence Ministry and re-registration (along with repainting) of aircraft is perfectly legal. However, don't expect to see any SU-30MK2 in civilian Ugandan colours soon .

HokumA wrote:Interesting analysis http://www.monitor.co.ug/News/National/Russia-targets-Uganda-as-big-market-for-weapons/-/688334/1688320/-/hgncp8/-/index.html

I suspect UG will be getting more additional Sukhois, tanks and even the Mi-28 from Russia anytime soon.