Kenya Defence Force

ole Nkarei wrote:

fusebox wrote:Alright then, popular opinion rules.
I shall filter my posts.

Tis not a popularity joust, little bro Fusebox.

Notice there are no moderators here? The assumption, I presume, is disciplined self-regulation. At least this expectation is a given for the Uniforms. You would be surprised just how much reading from you chaps has influenced my strategic geopolitical thinking - school just comes alive!! When i get to break from a ''hard day'', or am riding my desk needing a break to refresh my perspective, or just a little worn of the austerity of Military Regimen, I pant with eagerness to read your posts. And those of others here too.

So, lets educate and increase each other, eh bro?

Agreed!...(Just for the record, i meant "popular opinion" in a democratic way....you know...majority rules kind of way)

The time has come for real active moderation. Those who flout netiquette should be warned. For a second offence,suspended for 3 days;third offence ,banning the username and IP address. There's no other way to keep an interactive forum civil.
If the mod. is too busy for the job he can nominate a responsible forumer.

MWAURA wrote:The time has come for real active moderation. Those who flout netiquette should be warned. For a second offence,suspended for 3 days;third offence ,banning the username and IP address. There's no other way to keep an interactive forum civil.
If the mod. is too busy for the job he can nominate a responsible forumer.

@Mwaura, moderation is good however it should not be the excuse to kill creativity, i believe all the forumers here have the decorum to self regulate without necessarily holding a gun to their heads. Lets work to retain the niche to which this forum really is.

jasiri wrote:.....]I know this because one of the arrested suspects is an acquaintance and a day before he had called a friend stating his intention to leave for Somalia.

All this makes me seriously question some of the info that we have been fed with regards to OLN. Where is the truth in all this? Someone here once told me 'believe none of what you hear and half of what you see', i am beginning to understand wholesomely what he meant by that.

I advise some circumspection with information of such associations at this time. And yes, it is true in times of war, we shoot real bullets as much as BS that advances the War intentions. Frustrating for knowledge-seekers, but true.

....with regard to the Somalia airstrike, a typical drone as most speculate would carry a AGM 114 Hellfire missile. A Hellfire missile warhead is about 8kg's. an F-5 carries AGM-65 Maverick missiles, a typical warhead is about 55Kgs(not very sure). an MD-500 carries BGM 71 TOW missiles, a TOW warhead weighs about 4-6Kg. I wonder which of the above would have a report being heard almost 100miles away(though i tend to think they exaggerated here.)

Johnny-Press declares Sammy or Louis carried out the Aerial precision-targeted take-out at K60 near Crazy Town Saturday night (twenty-seven AS in two SUVs and coupla light-trucks, several Kenyan AS amongst them Sheik Abukar Hajji and two Mid-eastern-types AS). Johnny-Press claims that Fighter Jets from JSOC in Djibouti were led in by Sammy's Deltas of JSOC. And that KDF lack the Ordnance and Delivery Platforms for such a strike! Absolute nonsense! Two KDF Attack Gunships, four MD500 in escort with two KDF-Deltas riding each Skid, an advance Recon Unit astride the Intercept-point. Couple of Tigers running diversion. After-Strike Kill & identities Confirmation by the Deltas. This is magic for an African Army?? Bana!!

ole Nkarei wrote:Johnny-Press declares Sammy or Louis carried out the Aerial precision-targeted take-out at K60 near Crazy Town Saturday night (twenty-seven AS in two SUVs and coupla light-trucks, several Kenyan AS amongst them Sheik Abukar Hajji and two Mid-eastern-types AS). Johnny-Press claims that Fighter Jets from JSOC in Djibouti were led in by Sammy's Deltas of JSOC. And that KDF lack the Ordnance and Delivery Platforms for such a strike! Absolute nonsense! Two KDF Attack Gunships, four MD500 in escort with two KDF-Deltas riding each Skid, an advance Recon Unit astride the Intercept-point. Couple of Tigers running diversion. After-Strike Kill & identities Confirmation by the Deltas. This is magic for an African Army?? Bana!!

It is still magic for many African armies. But that's not the point. The point is that for the consumers of such press, we still live in trees and have only just figured out that there's more to rubbing two sticks together than killing boredom. So, when they say that KDF lacks the ordnance and delivery platforms for such like, it is Scripture.
And they get away with it because we let them. We can be more assertive regarding the Gospel according to KDF, eh?

ole Nkarei wrote:

Olekoima wrote:

areba wrote:Im I getting old or is the general demeanor on the site taking a nosedive?

Well some posts here are not even worth reading anymore. Some fellows like to dwell on trivial issues and this is affecting quality of dabate.

Indeed my views exactly, Jasiri, Mjeshi, Areba, Olekoima, Vitruvian, AzKahia, etc. And to my own personal anguish and some degree of anger. Heck, this was started as a forum for interchange between Uniforms and Civilians on Military & Intelligence thinking - factual, speculative or even intelligence conjecture, but definitely not as a chit-chat site for senseless social gossip and the ‘’my-thing-is-longer-than-yours’’ stupidity that define Mashada, Nipate, Kibowen, jaluo.com, mwigithiania, etc. Doggonnit - check the Categorization on the Userboard!!

On the average, the older members have posted between 0.3 and 0.5 posts per day over a period lasting over a year; very well-rounded very considered and weighty opinions that have clear value and substance - I for one am greatly indebted to many here in many ways. In contrast, one of the hot-rods recently joined has a record-breaking 3.9 posts per day in a record two months!! Little of which add to anybody’s education upon reading them! I have nothing against vision and thinking big, mind you! But the denigration of contrary opinions that is the hall-mark of those other gossipy sites is taking root here as some pronounce themselves ‘’gospel-shooters’’. Some not-so-clever others employ crudity to wrench information that is yet classified without regard to the consequences that might ensue, and in their failure resort to dismissive insults. Other posting have little relevance and certainly no substance, apparently slang out from boredom / ennui . Is it any wonder in last week that up to 33 members actually log in daily but only at most 5 members end up posting anything during the same day? Eeeiish!!

We need to get back our groove, and to stay there. Newer members add very good colour, strong flavor to knowledge-pool of the blog, the more the better, but dammit, guys, we will kill this blog if it becomes an avenue for the expression of boredom, a contest for the superiority of intelligence, a reflection of our political slants, etc. Let us keep it simple and real – an avenue for interchange between the Uniforms and Civilians on Military and Intelligence thinking.

Ama, brothers?

Well im glad to break records!!

@Fusebox
The ball of contention lies between us…… I would have PM you personally but since you brought it up I will let you know… I was pissed of on how you handle yourself. an elephant in a china shop. What you saw was privileged and not for an Engineer Martin or small bro Puis South of our capital.

At time Intel calls for planting info spefic,s in order to track an opponents info gathering systems. Jenking. You were collateral and not part of the show.

Nobody addressed or entertained you at that venue. I thought you would realize that, rather than resurfacing the issue. Keep it mam from hence forth and be a Good boy Mr James Bond….decoded to your fittings.

Coincidences?

..125

https://youtu.be/y54aLcC3G74

Hey you guys check this video out on the next battle game changer the rail gun which will be designed to replace all armaments of naval ships. So imagined if we had this in kenyana we would have africas most powerful navy.I wonder why our engineering schools dont churn out such research so we can create some incredible equipment

There is an old song we used to hear with this one single line that applies universally: < Kujenga Nyumba ni Kazi Ngumu, Kubomoa ni Rahisi tu >.

Onto more serious business, there was a certain discussion about a certain group of Not Kenyan Kenyans that was out of bounds at then because of the sensitivity of the matter. Is that still the status Mister Ol.Nk? Im itching with emotion and lots of my nerves need calming.

[quote="mashaa"]

Wrong answer, Cylon.
This isn't a spam-me-to-oblivion gutter forum. It is a place of maturity and intellectual capital. In that respect, it isn't public property.
Take cue from Fusebox. If you cannot, there are several forums mentioned by the Colonel below that might be more suitable for you.
You have been asked nicely.

cylon wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:

Indeed my views exactly, Jasiri, Mjeshi, Areba, Olekoima, Vitruvian, AzKahia, etc. And to my own personal anguish and some degree of anger. Heck, this was started as a forum for interchange between Uniforms and Civilians on Military & Intelligence thinking - factual, speculative or even intelligence conjecture, but definitely not as a chit-chat site for senseless social gossip and the ‘’my-thing-is-longer-than-yours’’ stupidity that define Mashada, Nipate, Kibowen, jaluo.com, mwigithiania, etc. Doggonnit - check the Categorization on the Userboard!!

On the average, the older members have posted between 0.3 and 0.5 posts per day over a period lasting over a year; very well-rounded very considered and weighty opinions that have clear value and substance - I for one am greatly indebted to many here in many ways. In contrast, one of the hot-rods recently joined has a record-breaking 3.9 posts per day in a record two months!! Little of which add to anybody’s education upon reading them! I have nothing against vision and thinking big, mind you! But the denigration of contrary opinions that is the hall-mark of those other gossipy sites is taking root here as some pronounce themselves ‘’gospel-shooters’’. Some not-so-clever others employ crudity to wrench information that is yet classified without regard to the consequences that might ensue, and in their failure resort to dismissive insults. Other posting have little relevance and certainly no substance, apparently slang out from boredom / ennui . Is it any wonder in last week that up to 33 members actually log in daily but only at most 5 members end up posting anything during the same day? Eeeiish!!

We need to get back our groove, and to stay there. Newer members add very good colour, strong flavor to knowledge-pool of the blog, the more the better, but dammit, guys, we will kill this blog if it becomes an avenue for the expression of boredom, a contest for the superiority of intelligence, a reflection of our political slants, etc. Let us keep it simple and real – an avenue for interchange between the Uniforms and Civilians on Military and Intelligence thinking.

Ama, brothers?

Well im glad to break records!!

Vitruvian wrote:

So, when they say that KDF lacks the ordnance and delivery platforms for such like, it is Scripture.
And they get away with it because we let them. We can be more assertive regarding the Gospel according to KDF, eh?

I think we need serious campaigners for kenya's in the west. It seems like we are only blowing our own trumpet to our ears about KDF's achievement. Something needs to be done urgently or we are likely to see ex-Iraqi mil-ware headed to Burundi and UG.

'Increased U.S.-backed operations around Mogadishu, largely by Ugandan and Burundian troops as part of an African Union force, have weakened al-Shabab' .............Ham laid out ongoing efforts by the U.S. to provide training, equipment and support to a number of nations across northern and east Africa.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hSTBoCohT8ODQ5GQ1GzqLSuo8LMg?docId=d1b149e69d7f4e99897a4bd0b6800b8e

UN is begging for some toys to deploy in sudan. Ki-moon will soon come knocking. The more reason we need serious campaign. However our glorious story seems not to see the light of day.

'Ban complained last month that he had been reduced to begging governments for helicopters and still could not get peacekeepers to the besieged South Sudan town of Pibor'.

http://www.defensenews.com/article/20120227/DEFREG04/302270005/UN-asks-Angola-helicopters?odyssey=tab%7Ctopnews%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE

@ON advise taken.

@Mwaura we should not have a need for a moderator. We have lived without one before n we can do without right now. like TON says, some may have actually contemplated leaving to give space to the newly joined gospel-truth preachers.

Funny thing with this seaforce company, why are they classifying the Jasiri as if it's a stateless warship? one thing i have realised from this, Kenya Navy must have done something right to warrant such interest in that corvette.
@Mjeshi mmoja, talking of Desert Camo flight suits, i have always wondered why nearly all of or=ur air assets are painted in desert camo yet the troops do not have Dessert Camo combat/working dresses. It doesn't make sense for someone in Mariakani, Ishaqani, Garissa, Taveta, Moyale camps (etc) to have a jungle combat dress in an arid environment.

Allow me to divert a bit albeit on a very important matter of national/regional interest. I always feel that we are victims of economic sabotage, No! you tell me how does a ship dock at a restricted area and snap the partially government owned TEAMS fiber optic cable on departure? We are told this will cost Kenya $500 USD not counting losses incurred by neighboring countries, the Kenya Navy should have had their guns trained on this ship! and mind you this is not the 1st such case + numerous unexplained cable cuts on the main land.

Vitruvian wrote:Wrong answer, Cylon.
This isn't a spam-me-to-oblivion gutter forum. It is a place of maturity and intellectual capital. In that respect, it isn't public property.
Take cue from Fusebox. If you cannot, there are several forums mentioned by the Colonel below that might be more suitable for you.
You have been asked nicely.

Vitruvian - It might make sense for the forum members to create a set of guidelines which we can make into a forum sticky - so future new members may be directed to it.
I think as the popularity of the forum grows we are going to run into many spammers who dilute the discussion badly. With a sticky we can direct new members to read what is kosher before they post.

Another approach I have seen is where there is a general area which allows all newbies to post and from there only when that newbie has enough recommendations from fellow founder members of the forum then they get the right to post on the main board. Its a pretty democratic way but might be a little bit of IT work for the admin to set it up correctly. These are just suggestions.

I know I have been avoiding to post for the past few weeks as there was just too much random noise on the forum.

jasiri wrote:@ON advise taken.

@Mwaura we should not have a need for a moderator. We have lived without one before n we can do without right now. like TON says, some may have actually contemplated leaving to give space to the newly joined gospel-truth preachers.

Yes,but it seems clear times have changed. I along with several others have told him to slow down,especially on his pet projects,the space age wishful thinking like this:

Hey you guys check this video out on the next battle game changer the
rail gun which will be designed to replace all armaments of naval ships.
So imagined if we had this in kenyana we would have africas most
powerful navy.I wonder why our engineering schools dont churn out such
research so we can create some incredible equipment

This kind of bs will end with a 34 page thread discussing invisible hypersonic jet fighters! Which is why nobody responds to these kinds of threads and relevant issues eg,the Jasiri, the UKs intended Somali foray etc etc remain unanswered.

Funny thing with this seaforce company, why are they classifying the
Jasiri as if it's a stateless warship? one thing i have realised from
this, Kenya Navy must have done something right to warrant such interest
in that corvette.

Its technically still stateless and they're misusing it for advertising but as to your statement most definitely! The Naijjas ans Sri Lankans have seen smth Edward Clay and numerous morons haven't.

@Risiasi when will you give me a ride on this awesome looking heli.

Vitruvian wrote:Wrong answer, Cylon.
This isn't a spam-me-to-oblivion gutter forum. It is a place of maturity and intellectual capital. In that respect, it isn't public property.
Take cue from Fusebox. If you cannot, there are several forums mentioned by the Colonel below that might be more suitable for you.
You have been asked nicely.

cylon wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:

Indeed my views exactly, Jasiri, Mjeshi, Areba, Olekoima, Vitruvian, AzKahia, etc. And to my own personal anguish and some degree of anger. Heck, this was started as a forum for interchange between Uniforms and Civilians on Military & Intelligence thinking - factual, speculative or even intelligence conjecture, but definitely not as a chit-chat site for senseless social gossip and the ‘’my-thing-is-longer-than-yours’’ stupidity that define Mashada, Nipate, Kibowen, jaluo.com, mwigithiania, etc. Doggonnit - check the Categorization on the Userboard!!

On the average, the older members have posted between 0.3 and 0.5 posts per day over a period lasting over a year; very well-rounded very considered and weighty opinions that have clear value and substance - I for one am greatly indebted to many here in many ways. In contrast, one of the hot-rods recently joined has a record-breaking 3.9 posts per day in a record two months!! Little of which add to anybody’s education upon reading them! I have nothing against vision and thinking big, mind you! But the denigration of contrary opinions that is the hall-mark of those other gossipy sites is taking root here as some pronounce themselves ‘’gospel-shooters’’. Some not-so-clever others employ crudity to wrench information that is yet classified without regard to the consequences that might ensue, and in their failure resort to dismissive insults. Other posting have little relevance and certainly no substance, apparently slang out from boredom / ennui . Is it any wonder in last week that up to 33 members actually log in daily but only at most 5 members end up posting anything during the same day? Eeeiish!!

We need to get back our groove, and to stay there. Newer members add very good colour, strong flavor to knowledge-pool of the blog, the more the better, but dammit, guys, we will kill this blog if it becomes an avenue for the expression of boredom, a contest for the superiority of intelligence, a reflection of our political slants, etc. Let us keep it simple and real – an avenue for interchange between the Uniforms and Civilians on Military and Intelligence thinking.

Ama, brothers?

Well im glad to break records!!

I was broke that record talking from a both militaristic/civilian point of view reread all my posts i meant no harm but you army chaps need to take a breather there is no point of attacking a civilian we are all on the same side. And sometimes it takes days before anybody has any hard Intel or news about OLN,Weapons procurements etc so what do you want us civiis to do?

MWAURA wrote:

jasiri wrote:@ON advise taken.

@Mwaura we should not have a need for a moderator. We have lived without one before n we can do without right now. like TON says, some may have actually contemplated leaving to give space to the newly joined gospel-truth preachers.

Yes,but it seems clear times have changed. I along with several others have told him to slow down,especially on his pet projects,the space age wishful thinking like this:

Hey you guys check this video out on the next battle game changer the
rail gun which will be designed to replace all armaments of naval ships.
So imagined if we had this in kenyana we would have africas most
powerful navy.I wonder why our engineering schools dont churn out such
research so we can create some incredible equipment

This kind of bs will end with a 34 page thread discussing invisible hypersonic jet fighters! Which is why nobody responds to these kinds of threads and relevant issues eg,the Jasiri, the UKs intended Somali foray etc etc remain unanswered.

Funny thing with this seaforce company, why are they classifying the
Jasiri as if it's a stateless warship? one thing i have realised from
this, Kenya Navy must have done something right to warrant such interest
in that corvette.

Its technically still stateless and they're misusing it for advertising but as to your statement most definitely! The Naijjas ans Sri Lankans have seen smth Edward Clay and numerous morons haven't.

Well im sorry if im to ahead for you guys i was born in kenya but i was raised to think like an american so we usually get caught up with our achievements well i guess you all guys displayed to me your not ready for such discussions which is okay but modern warfare is changing i wouldnt be surprised if museveni has orders for usa drones(Because he pushed the bar with the su-30)
But there was a lively gossips about kenyan f15's and new gunships and a ship that all went to hell. but nobody answers these questions, and analyst this is gold mine so he hasnt been receiving his daily Intel of gossip to write on SIN.We can go back to bashing each others militaristic power and gossip with our uganda brothers if they are getting T-90's or if we are getting the JASIRI or F15s so lets go back. and im gonna start it off with the first question i posted on this forum What is the current progress with F-15s or Russian Helicopters Or OperationLindaInchi

You seem to be under a number of false impressions:
1. There are as many civilians contributing to this forum as there are uniforms.
2. You are not being attacked. You are being cautioned.
3. Asking a question does not necessarily entitle you to an answer. Stop whining about not being informed on the finer details of OLN operations and KDF procurement.
4. The imminent development of photon torpedoes, deep sensor arrays, teleportation devices and other Star Trek technologies you might have seen on television is not a serious topic for discussion. You are correct when you say that we are not yet ready for such consultation.
5. Your stab at cynicism and self-aggrandisement serves only to reinforce the conviction that you lack the maturity to add substance to this forum.
6. You were raised to think like and American?! Yessuh, Massa!

You do not necessarily have to respond.

cylon wrote:I was broke that record talking from a both militaristic/civilian point of view reread all my posts i meant no harm but you army chaps need to take a breather there is no point of attacking a civilian we are all on the same side. And sometimes it takes days before anybody has any hard Intel or news about OLN,Weapons procurements etc so what do you want us civiis to do?

Well im sorry if im to ahead for you guys i was born in kenya but i was raised to think like an american so we usually get caught up with our achievements well i guess you all guys displayed to me your not ready for such discussions which is okay but modern warfare is changing i wouldnt be surprised if museveni has orders for usa drones(Because he pushed the bar with the su-30)
But there was a lively gossips about kenyan f15's and new gunships and a ship that all went to hell. but nobody answers these questions, and analyst this is gold mine so he hasnt been receiving his daily Intel of gossip to write on SIN.We can go back to bashing each others militaristic power and gossip with our uganda brothers if they are getting T-90's or if we are getting the JASIRI or F15s so lets go back. and im gonna start it off with the first question i posted on this forum What is the current progress with F-15s or Russian Helicopters Or OperationLindaInchi

[quote="Vitruvian"]You seem to be under a number of false impressions:
1. There are as many civilians contributing to this forum as there are uniforms.
2. You are not being attacked. You are being cautioned.
3. Asking a question does not necessarily entitle you to an answer. Stop whining about not being informed on the finer details of OLN operations and KDF procurement.
4. The imminent development of photon torpedoes, deep sensor arrays, teleportation devices and other Star Trek technologies you might have seen on television is not a serious topic for discussion. You are correct when you say that we are not yet ready for such consultation.
5. Your stab at cynicism and self-aggrandizement serves only to reinforce the conviction that you lack the maturity to add substance to this forum.
6. You were raised to think like and American?! Yessuh, Massa![quote]

Whining is a little bit overstated curious is a more satisfying word im a civilian and im entitled to know what kind of arsenal my military has to protect me as a citizen and the freedom of many others but as soon civilians start poking and prodding you put up a wall like its a big secret. the old days of moi/kibaki are over where paramilitary were used to abuse and kill protesting civilians and the action committed were only accountable to the executive well that is over so start accepting that now civilians are gonna want some oversight in Kenya's military matters ever since OLN was initiated and procurements of weapons have been shady and have not contributed to the sort of goals kenya should have accomplished.
Photon torpedoes,deep sensor arrays,teleportation devices when did you ever see me write such things but from your sense of logic pulling them from a television show just explains to me that you were not informed to what i was saying. seeing that you rather quote science fiction just further proves my point hahaha. I dont know how i practice to show that im important or selfish only words from someone who sits in a computer judging others and you barely even know me or even have even met me to judge me or even know wht type of person i am. Im immature but yet your trying to call me a slave just wake up and smell the coffee that rudimentary understanding is long gone or you would like to bring such things back. because africans dont appease Europeans or Americans on a daily basis you guys ask for aid etc while you have lands and means to provide for yourself even building roads you need assistance from outside no wonder whites dont appreciate your work because you havent proved to them that you can do it yourself always begging. i went there and i will go there again SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO TAKE CHEAP SHOTS!!

Im immature but yet your trying to call me a slave just wake up and smell the coffee that rudimentary understanding is long gone or you would like to bring such things back. because africans dont appease Europeans or Americans on a daily basis you guys ask for aid etc while you have lands and means to provide for yourself even building roads you need assistance from outside no wonder whites dont appreciate your work because you havent proved to them that you can do it yourself always begging. i went there and i will go there again SO IS THERE ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS TO TAKE CHEAP SHOTS!!

THANK YOU and please keep it up,Cylon. I guess per your standards you call this "net freedom".

Sanity has come back

You can tell more about a person by what he says about others than you can by what others say about him.
Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought.

...im a civilian and im entitled to know what kind of arsenal my military has to protect me as a citizen...

I agree but this is not a Government-run site. You're asking the wrong people.

...Photon torpedoes,deep sensor arrays,teleportation devices...

... and other such technologies that will not see the light of day for decades. Or centuries.

...i guess you all guys displayed to me your not ready for such discussions ... Well im sorry if im to ahead for you guys...

...I dont know how i practice to show that I'm important...

Make up your mind.

...i was born in kenya but i was raised to think like an american...

...but yet your trying to call me a slave...

Not calling you a slave, just addressing Massa in the prescribed manner.

Please try to understand the content of a post before tearing it to pieces.

did i just read that " I WAS TAUGHT TO THINK LIKE AN AMERICAN or my eyes are playing tricks on me? Tell me you just didnt say that! i have tried to stay away ever since this forum became an exchange of absurdity and i will tell you i have lived in United States for 10 years and for someone to suggest they are taught to think like Americans is the most outrageous,most shallow,most absurd allegation ive come across.First i will tell you Americans dont think so whoever taught u to think like them taught you not to think.Secondly, if there is anything like "thinking like an American," i suggest its about time someone starts thinking like an African.
My point here is that Americans are not better thinkers what they have is a disciplined system that ensures Politicians and office holders who are supposed to guard peoples trust do not fuck things up.You have heard the saying by Bismark that "AMERICAN SYSTEM WAS CONSTITUTED BY A GENIUS BUT IS RUN BY A BUNCH OF FOOLS." Those words hold true to this day.

Still quoting others, eh? You're incorrigible! But as long as it enlightens us, keep it up.
On another note, it is the quality of the discussions that has attracted you, me and others to this forum. We have never required a set of rules or a moderator. Self-moderation has worked just fine. Despite the many heated exchanges on this forum, exceptions that confirm the rule, we have managed to maintain the level of maturity, moderation and relevance that makes this forum what it is. And when several long-term contributors start complaining about certain posts, an attempt is made to nudge them in the "right direction." You have had to swallow that pill yourself, and it worked. Fusebox and others have accepted it graciously and maturely as well. We are all capable of self-moderation. None of us is the best.
Perhaps I need that pill too. I am renowned for my hip-shots, accurate and relevant though I believe them to be. That's my personality. When someone tries to shove an "I'm-better-than-you" down our collective throat - read: unlike the rest of the rabble here I think like an American - I go for the bazooka. And if that makes me qualify for Leo Aikman's quote below, then so be it.

Analyst wrote:Sanity has come back
You can tell more about a person by what he says about others than you can by what others say about him.
Discovery consists of seeing what everybody has seen and thinking what nobody has thought.

Risasi wrote:@Fusebox
The ball of contention lies between us…… I would have PM you personally but since you brought it up I will let you know… I was pissed of on how you handle yourself. an elephant in a china shop. What you saw was privileged and not for an Engineer Martin or small bro Puis South of our capital.

At time Intel calls for planting info spefic,s in order to track an opponents info gathering systems. Jenking. You were collateral and not part of the show.

Nobody addressed or entertained you at that venue. I thought you would realize that, rather than resurfacing the issue. Keep it mam from hence forth and be a Good boy Mr James Bond….decoded to your fittings.

Coincidences?

..125

@ Risasi. you have treated us to a couple of pix on f5 tigers and their crew, how about some few on the Hawks as well? this squadron has rarely come to the limelight even if in reserve mode

Gentlemen,

My appeal. Let's not be too engrossed with house cleaning matters. There's a lot of healthy debate space and time running to waste. Why can't we go back to what this forum is known to be and forge on? Personally have a learnt a lot from the exchanges here and had my ribs cracked by Crane's insights all the while.