Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Guest Fri Mar 22 2013, 22:53

Hehehe, #Spartan! But couldn't have missed the C-in-C/KDF "Heshima Yako" Parade unless Duty called out of Motherland. Seated behind the Old Man not too far and in Full Ceremonial Dress. Amazing atmosphere and symbolism for all of us - traditions are growing and we are making National History. Was very proud of who I am and where I am.

Notice the Civilian "Host" to the C-in-C was DELIBERATELY an "Outgoing Minister" and not the Prime Minister nor the Vice-President neither the Deputy Prime Minister - in a landmark Transitional Phase National Event!! Effectively indicating NARA and "Collishon Gavament" has lapsed entirely! At least in certain Circles, including my little own.

Spartan wrote:Just tuned-in to the Kibaki send-off right now, just in time for the match past and flypast. And I think I've seen ole Nkarei in the crowd . Asante to Mzee Kibaki.

aggressor one Mon Mar 25 2013, 11:44

ole Nkarei wrote:Hehehe, #Spartan! But couldn't have missed the C-in-C/KDF "Heshima Yako" Parade unless Duty called out of Motherland. Seated behind the Old Man not too far and in Full Ceremonial Dress. Amazing atmosphere and symbolism for all of us - traditions are growing and we are making National History. Was very proud of who I am and where I am.

Notice the Civilian "Host" to the C-in-C was DELIBERATELY an "Outgoing Minister" and not the Prime Minister nor the Vice-President neither the Deputy Prime Minister - in a landmark Transitional Phase National Event!! Effectively indicating NARA and "Collishon Gavament" has lapsed entirely! At least in certain Circles, including my little own.

Spartan wrote:Just tuned-in to the Kibaki send-off right now, just in time for the match past and flypast. And I think I've seen ole Nkarei in the crowd . Asante to Mzee Kibaki.

A lot about politics, that is why i have been missing a little bit here. However, i have been traveling around too. Now, i want to discuss Armored Personnel Carriers that are in us in Somalia.

During my recent visit to Mogadishu, i noticed that the variety of APCs used by the Ugandan contingent has drastically gone up. In Addition to the regular Caspirs, Gilas and Mambas, the Ugandan contingent also has Revas and Ivecos. Having used all of them under different circumstances, i pick the Gila for comfort and the Mamba and REVA for easier manouvering. I wonder what your take is on this one.

Spartan Mon Mar 25 2013, 16:02

aggressor one wrote:A lot about politics, that is why i have been missing a little bit here. However, i have been traveling around too. Now, i want to discuss Armored Personnel Carriers that are in us in Somalia.

During my recent visit to Mogadishu, i noticed that the variety of APCs used by the Ugandan contingent has drastically gone up. In Addition to the regular Caspirs, Gilas and Mambas, the Ugandan contingent also has Revas and Ivecos. Having used all of them under different circumstances, i pick the Gila for comfort and the Mamba and REVA for easier manouvering. I wonder what your take is on this one.

Are they coming home when all is said and done, or are we leaving them with the Somalis?

aggressor one Mon Mar 25 2013, 17:33

Spartan wrote:
aggressor one wrote:A lot about politics, that is why i have been missing a little bit here. However, i have been traveling around too. Now, i want to discuss Armored Personnel Carriers that are in us in Somalia.

During my recent visit to Mogadishu, i noticed that the variety of APCs used by the Ugandan contingent has drastically gone up. In Addition to the regular Caspirs, Gilas and Mambas, the Ugandan contingent also has Revas and Ivecos. Having used all of them under different circumstances, i pick the Gila for comfort and the Mamba and REVA for easier manouvering. I wonder what your take is on this one.

Are they coming home when all is said and done, or are we leaving them with the Somalis?

I asked and i was told that they are actually UPDF equipment and that the UN/AU is simply paying for their use. They are certainly ours. However, given the impact of the salty environment in Somalia, i wonder if they will be of any use if they spend a much longer time there. Salt causes the vehicles to rust faster.

When i left last week, over 50 brand Iveco APCs were being fixed with weapons to replace the old vehicles in Somalia. Apparently, these came straight from the manufacturer and landed in Mogadishu sea-port.

aggressor one Tue Mar 26 2013, 11:22

aggressor one wrote:
Spartan wrote:
aggressor one wrote:A lot about politics, that is why i have been missing a little bit here. However, i have been traveling around too. Now, i want to discuss Armored Personnel Carriers that are in us in Somalia.

During my recent visit to Mogadishu, i noticed that the variety of APCs used by the Ugandan contingent has drastically gone up. In Addition to the regular Caspirs, Gilas and Mambas, the Ugandan contingent also has Revas and Ivecos. Having used all of them under different circumstances, i pick the Gila for comfort and the Mamba and REVA for easier manouvering. I wonder what your take is on this one.

Are they coming home when all is said and done, or are we leaving them with the Somalis?

I asked and i was told that they are actually UPDF equipment and that the UN/AU is simply paying for their use. They are certainly ours. However, given the impact of the salty environment in Somalia, i wonder if they will be of any use if they spend a much longer time there. Salt causes the vehicles to rust faster.

When i left last week, over 50 brand Iveco APCs were being fixed with weapons to replace the old vehicles in Somalia. Apparently, these came straight from the manufacturer and landed in Mogadishu sea-port.

Now this maneno in CAR, apparently, SA forces suffered a lot more KIA in just one battle than the 13 they are telling us. Info from Entebbe airbase where they are transiting points at over 30 dead! This is over 15% of their entire deployed strength of 200 men. Wonder how SADF will handle the more sophisticated gunmen in DRC!

pacifist Tue Mar 26 2013, 19:20

http://in2eastafrica.net/kenya-police-nightmares-over-political-vips/

The IGP is looking at ways to reduce the 'protection footprint' of the police. the article says he is looking at the NYS in some instances. I happen to live near three Very high ranking GOK officials and have noted that AP's are deployed daily to man the gates of residence. while in this case it is prudent to man these residences by armed police officers i am sure in countless other instances a unit of Nys officers could do more effectively. Duties in guarding a residence involve many low risk repetitive tasks like monitoring traffic around the gate, communication with the 'secure package' controlling entry, reporting incidences, relaying messages, logging access etc. deploying police officers to do this tasks reduces their effectiveness in analysis and reaction to high risk ones. my view is that a unit should be formed within the nys to handle the "watchmen" part of protection and retain police officers for high risk jobs like escort and bodyguard duties. We have thousands of public officials who require protection. I once witnessed a mean looking GSU bodyguard get out of the vehicle in order to open the gate, in case of an ambush.. both of them dead

Batian Wed Mar 27 2013, 14:44

Heshima kwenu wakuu @risasi @ON, I kinda lost touch of how I used to forum here and got caught somewhere else so was busy reharsing. On a light, the role of NSAC in the past is well documented but currently does this NSAC maneno exist or is it a creation of the media? is it active?

proud kenyan Thu Mar 28 2013, 09:52

the Jubbaland maneno,how far is it, other sites i go through seems to show they are so near yet so far..ON ur comments/guidance on this

Guest Thu Mar 28 2013, 13:25

Wellocamu baki, oleBatiani. Don't go MIA again, soldier. Send your ground coordinates, and TEA will HALO in a SAR, pap!!

As for the NSAC - if you were the C/KDF-AF, would you take instructions from a Body lacking Constitutional grounding, to lay out our ''Air-Force-One'' for the President-Elect's exclusive use? Even small-fry like myself would not even react if it so ordered unless NSAC establishes VERY CLEARLY its Constitutional Authority to order me to SQUAT!!

On matters of National Security and Defense, I tell you, no matter what the Media postulates, there absolutely can be no lacuna created within the National Security and National Defense Structures from an imposed unconstitutional Body. Period!!

Batian wrote:Heshima kwenu wakuu @risasi @ON, I kinda lost touch of how I used to forum here and got caught somewhere else so was busy reharsing. On a light, the role of NSAC in the past is well documented but currently does this NSAC maneno exist or is it a creation of the media? is it active?

Guest Thu Mar 28 2013, 13:39

It is a matter of time before the Convention now winding up this coming week will proclaim the New State of Jubbaland. The Convention was suspended two week ago to facilitate the arrival of Delegates from GEDO that had been held hostage by the SFG in Gedo's Capital City just prior to traveling to Kismayu a month ago for the Opening of the Convention. Finally also the SFG conceded last week that the formation of Jubbaland will Legally happen with or without their approval and participation because (a) it is firmly grounded in the Federal Constitution, and (b) there is complete unanimity between the three Sub-states and the IGAD, on the formation of Jubbaland. Consequently, the SFG Ministers of Defense and Internal Security arrived this week in Kismayu for the restart of the Convention while the Prime Minster of the SFG was expected on Monday - some snafu about increased Threat from SFG elements opposed to Jubbaland formation without their direction has threatened his arrival, but the Convention will go on the its logical conclusion next week. Remember that the SFG had earlier declared the Convention an Illegality, while the Federal Charter recognizes the centrality of the SFG in driving the Processes of formation of Federated States in Somaliaya.

This optimism is what has driven the brave determination of the ECOWAS Police-Troops to finally deploy into SECTOR II his week. And no, KDF is not gong to effect a troop draw-down because of this - there is a hell of a lot to do, although we are fortunate that the our Homeland serves as a rear-base for activities inside Soomaliya that give us very credible capacity to aggravate our aggressive posture inside Theatre without drawing any sweat.

proud kenyan wrote:the Jubbaland maneno,how far is it, other sites i go through seems to show they are so near yet so far..ON ur comments/guidance on this

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Fri Mar 29 2013, 02:06

Something sinister? Anyone with some 'covert/overt' insider-knowledge?

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenya-protests-UN-arms-trade-draft-agreement-/-/1056/1733348/-/f41fx2z/-/index.html

Guest Fri Mar 29 2013, 08:03

Nothing beyond what was publicly stated by our Ambassador. Civil Society hijacked this initiative and corrupted it with idealism wholly misplaced. Kenya has midwifed this Treaty development for years. Some sees an opportunity to get UN-Sanction Authority over National Jurisdictions / Sovereignty to advance these shallow Civil Society Agenda.

Will not happen.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:Something sinister? Anyone with some 'covert/overt' insider-knowledge?

http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenya-protests-UN-arms-trade-draft-agreement-/-/1056/1733348/-/f41fx2z/-/index.html

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Fri Mar 29 2013, 09:13

ole Nkarei wrote:Nothing beyond what was publicly stated by our Ambassador. Civil Society hijacked this initiative and corrupted it with idealism wholly misplaced. Kenya has midwifed this Treaty development for years. Some sees an opportunity to get UN-Sanction Authority over National Jurisdictions / Sovereignty to advance these shallow Civil Society Agenda. Will not happen.

I somehow have faith in that logically-twisted ideolism concerning the treaty at large, as the cause of all this diplomatic maraudness. Those remarks by our ambassador actually rose my eyebrows, Dispassionately very weighty comments. I hope there is nothing sinister when you put our ambitions theoretically in-play as a country.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Fri Mar 29 2013, 16:45

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:Nothing beyond what was publicly stated by our Ambassador. Civil Society hijacked this initiative and corrupted it with idealism wholly misplaced. Kenya has midwifed this Treaty development for years. Some sees an opportunity to get UN-Sanction Authority over National Jurisdictions / Sovereignty to advance these shallow Civil Society Agenda. Will not happen.
I somehow have faith in that logically-twisted ideolism concerning the treaty at large, as the cause of all this diplomatic maraudness. Those remarks by our ambassador actually rose my eyebrows, Dispassionately very weighty comments. I hope there is nothing sinister when you put our ambitions theoretically in-play as a country.

Now I see where the contradiction lied.
http://www.nation.co.ke/News/Kenya-laments-collapse-of-talks-on-UN-arms-trade-treaty/-/1056/1733914/-/9kl66xz/-/index.html

What a way of Civil Service to delude themselves!

Guest Sat Mar 30 2013, 12:42

Precisely the thing, @Cycoh Dudus. And yet you have these same Brits running around the world blaming Iran Syria and DPPK for the mess, obviously omitting the objections these three sates raised which are similar to those raised by nearly all member of the Third and Second World UN members.

Eiiish!

MWAURA Sat Mar 30 2013, 16:16

Attention,all TEArs! This year I've noticed quite a number of hitherto unthinkable continental developments. Regional bigwigs are quietly increasing indigenous weapons systems. The Naijjas already producing small arms at DICON http://www.dicon.gov.ng/military1.html set up after independence.
Other players have now moved onto MRAP assembly.
Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 742378_apc_jpg64effaedd291fc332ba24652ddd3d3bf

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 742378_apc_jpg64effaedd291fc332ba24652ddd3d3bf

Recently we saw their first UAV earlier on this thread. Already they are building 100 foot river/seaward patrol boats. Here's the pioneer NNS Andoni inducted last year.

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 Nns-andoni-p100vanguard

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 Nns-andoni-p100vanguard

Meanwhile,there's also talk of producing 105 mms while their defmin declared they'll only buy from nations who agree to coproduction deals.
To the north Ethiopia has successfully developed a UAV and make SMGs,LMGs and chopper sub assembly along with Russian light armour while N.Sudan licence builds Chinese and Iranian armour and artilerry.

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 Daa01

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 Daa01

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 Small%20Arms

I know we've just begun our own MRAP assembly at the coast but IMO,we're behind the curve. IIRC,Nkash you once said a Chinese APC damaged near Afmadow was being slowly dismantled at the NMC under heavy guard either for local improvements or reverse engineering. Can you fafanua? If not I understand.
I'm happy to note Uhuruto mentioned home arms making capacity in their manifesto and I know they're both serious;others are frankly way ahead of us.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Sat Mar 30 2013, 18:08

MWAURA wrote:Attention,all TEArs! This year I've noticed quite a number of hitherto unthinkable continental developments. Regional bigwigs are quietly increasing indigenous weapons systems. The Naijjas already producing small arms at DICON http://www.dicon.gov.ng/military1.html set up after independence.
Other players have now moved onto MRAP assembly.

Recently we saw their first UAV earlier on this thread. Already they are building 100 foot river/seaward patrol boats. Here's the pioneer NNS Andoni inducted last year.

Meanwhile,there's also talk of producing 105 mms while their defmin declared they'll only buy from nations who agree to coproduction deals.
To the north Ethiopia has successfully developed a UAV and make SMGs,LMGs and chopper sub assembly along with Russian light armour while N.Sudan licence builds Chinese and Iranian armour and artilerry.

I know we've just begun our own MRAP assembly at the coast but IMO,we're behind the curve. IIRC,Nkash you once said a Chinese APC damaged near Afmadow was being slowly dismantled at the NMC under heavy guard either for local improvements or reverse engineering. Can you fafanua? If not I understand.
I'm happy to note Uhuruto mentioned home arms making capacity in their manifesto and I know they're both serious;others are frankly way ahead of us.

In fact, that's an interesting thread @Mwaura. Before others show up, lemmie put my mertinents head on and give some few things/pointers which might make Kenya be viewed as if its behind other African nations as far as home-grown arms production is concerned.

(I)These are some of the most capital-intensive programs to venture into, thus requires a sound-booming economy to properly mutate them into state-of-the-art products. If one can try to observe the African countries that 'are said' to produce some local stuff, they are the continent's economic giants, so to speak. Due to the capitalistic-nature of these ventures, they should be done with a business-oriented lacuna, so as to reciprocate the losses in the processes of production and to ensure a continuous arms-producing atmosphere. To date, no country have I heard signing export-deals from these "manufacturers", outside South Africa.

(II)The notch at which one takes Strategic matters with is very telling, mostly weapon's procurement & their Strategic viability. Of what Strategic-beauty would we want to produce our own version of the 'Amebo'? Zero, maybe for the usual swaggering, of-coarse, an overflow of national pride is always understandable. Right now, the Kenyan military is working on a considerable Strategic-projectile going down to post-Rwaza2030, thus one will find out that some of the "ought-to-be" local products totally don't fit in this matrix.

(III)Re-inventing the wheel. That's the daily routine taking place allover. And some local 'wheels' are even worse than the current global-substandard 'wheels'. I pray you ain't telling me that we should abandon the Raven UAV procurement at the expensive of having something like this lying in Laikipia. Very Happy

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 28 Pict35

No! I'd rather get civilian if I happen to see s/thing-this primitive lying on my AFB's runway!

It will take time, bro.

Cycoh 'DUDUS' Sat Mar 30 2013, 18:15

@ole Nkarei, get ready for some high-risk war games in a week's time bringing into focus Special Operations forces. Better start revising your documented covert sorties to sharpen your sword!

Guest Sat Mar 30 2013, 22:02

Damn! Out OpsSec is that porous? Well, we will fix that shortly. But we are locked and ready for jump-off any sec. A new C-in-C just makes the 30th incredibly sexier, I say. Damn exciting times ahead.

Btw @Mwaura - the IMRV was case-studied stripped and fully reassembled. Pretty easy job of it. Packed with six other near-photocopied prototypes in SOCOM/Gilgil. And three other Spec Ops All-terrain five-man/stick prototypes that we have been hard-testing in Soomaliya under real-time conditions for past year. But like @Cycor D says. A defence Industry cannot be sustained on domestic consumption alone - success verily depends on a robust and poignant export policy. And too many factors drive this not least the real value of reinventing the wheel on Defence Ordnance. We will very soon ave a large market in Kenyana from which a viable Defence Industry will grow - even the Boers are conscious of this fact and hence the interest by the Defence Industries to set up shop ob Kenya with very liberal technology-transfer protocols. Give Kenyans some little time alafu...

Cycoh 'DUDUS' wrote:@ole Nkarei, get ready for some high-risk war games in a week's time bringing into focus Special Operations forces. Better start revising your documented covert sorties to sharpen your sword!

mashaa Wed Apr 03 2013, 06:14

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mchoraji Mon Apr 08 2013, 09:53

At last +254 will be welcoming a new C-in-C & from me it's 3 big cheers.will be glued to my screen tomorrow more interested in what KDF has in store.it doesn't happen every other day.was just remembering some thoughts on this forum by Bulletman, Jas & ON late last year & early this year.i think these soldiers are prophets some of the scenarios they painted have or may take place before our very eyes.am loving seeing johnny's rep in nairobi tail between his legs mellowing to 'young ole'.....it's hilarious.what i pray happened to ''only essential contact?'' anyway this maybe the chance for EAC kukataa kata kata neo-colonialism. we should only engage where we're sure we'l reap big time.
However the new team's work is cut out.defence wise, as Olekoima intimated elsewhere on TEA if we don't already have a replacement for the F5, we sure will have our brass sent out on a shopping spree.i hope during the 50th anniversary celebrations later in the year the bird is un-veiled, that would be ecstatic.on our defence posture going forward, the young ole is not anywhere as reserved or 'reluctant' as the out-going ole man.if the old man could agree to send his troops to somalia, no should try to mess up with ke.what am most proud of is the quality of our senior officers & the fact that they 'see very far' am glad that these are the men shaping our defence issues & advising the new team.Enjoy the week buddies

Sierra Kilo Mon Apr 08 2013, 16:57

mchoraji wrote:At last +254 will be welcoming a new C-in-C & from me it's 3 big cheers.will be glued to my screen tomorrow more interested in what KDF has in store.it doesn't happen every other day.was just remembering some thoughts on this forum by Bulletman, Jas & ON late last year & early this year.i think these soldiers are prophets some of the scenarios they painted have or may take place before our very eyes.am loving seeing johnny's rep in nairobi tail between his legs mellowing to 'young ole'.....it's hilarious.what i pray happened to ''only essential contact?'' anyway this maybe the chance for EAC kukataa kata kata neo-colonialism. we should only engage where we're sure we'l reap big time.
However the new team's work is cut out.defence wise, as Olekoima intimated elsewhere on TEA if we don't already have a replacement for the F5, we sure will have our brass sent out on a shopping spree.i hope during the 50th anniversary celebrations later in the year the bird is un-veiled, that would be ecstatic.on our defence posture going forward, the young ole is not anywhere as reserved or 'reluctant' as the out-going ole man.if the old man could agree to send his troops to somalia, no should try to mess up with ke.what am most proud of is the quality of our senior officers & the fact that they 'see very far' am glad that these are the men shaping our defence issues & advising the new team.Enjoy the week buddies

Now where is the like button ^^^^

Olekoima Mon Apr 08 2013, 18:17

What do others say? Discuss:-
http://african.howzit.msn.com/africa%e2%80%99s-7-strongest-military-forces

Spartan Mon Apr 08 2013, 20:44

Olekoima wrote:What do others say? Discuss:-
http://african.howzit.msn.com/africa%e2%80%99s-7-strongest-military-forces

I had trouble navigating the site, but at least we had a 'honorable mention' Laughing

Personally, I have a checklist I use to size-up potential adversaries;
1. Ideology and how ingrained state-sponsored propaganda is. Soldiers from countries like North Korea will fight on even if the whole country has surrendered and they are a company strong. Remember the Kamikaze in Japan and the Vietcong in Vietnam? People in such countries like these readily accept take it, in addition to dishing it out.
2. Average age, training and numbers of foot soldiers
3. Strategic depth and location vis-a-viz ports or airports supplying vital supplies
4. How polarized or united a country is politically, culturally (liberal and conservative), economically (haves and have-nots) etc.

From there the rest stop mattering to me. Equipment, economic strength etc can all be compensated for on the battlefield with superior tactics, to some extent (read Afghanistan). The above points are the reason Ethiopia beat Italy in the early 19th Century, America hasn't invaded Cuba despite finding it easy to invade others thousands of miles away etc. What makes the west militarily strong is superior technology and a world economic order tailored to their comfort.

Disclaimer: The above was my personal opinion and not Ug's national defence philosophy [but it's compartible] Laughing

Olekoima Tue Apr 09 2013, 09:23

Here is the full list. I don't know what parameters they used, but they say they are about 40 of them. I expected to see Uganda and possibly Morocco intead of Libya.

http://www.globalfirepower.com/countries-listing.asp

timoh Tue Apr 09 2013, 10:51

am told the havocs were sighted jana doing rounds.will they be on display?flypast? can't wait....even for m7s speech hehe..goodday ya'all

aggressor one Tue Apr 09 2013, 13:38

timoh wrote:am told the havocs were sighted jana doing rounds.will they be on display?flypast? can't wait....even for m7s speech hehe..goodday ya'all

Just been watching the 21 gun salute, but i am wondering; Why have they used B-10s (recoilless) instead of field artillery pieces?

Spartan Tue Apr 09 2013, 14:32

timoh wrote:can't wait....even for m7s speech hehe..goodday ya'all

When he stopped and said "What I am going to say now is my personal opinion..." I knew exactly who was in his cross-hairs, and he didn't disappoint.

aggressor one Tue Apr 09 2013, 15:18

Spartan wrote:
timoh wrote:can't wait....even for m7s speech hehe..goodday ya'all

When he stopped and said "What I am going to say now is my personal opinion..." I knew exactly who was in his cross-hairs, and he didn't disappoint.

He knew exactly what the people in the stadium wanted to listen to and when he said it, they did not disappoint ...with their applause.

Risasi Wed Apr 10 2013, 08:06

aggressor one wrote:
timoh wrote:am told the havocs were sighted jana doing rounds.will they be on display?flypast? can't wait....even for m7s speech hehe..goodday ya'all

Just been watching the 21 gun salute, but i am wondering; Why have they used B-10s (recoilless) instead of field artillery pieces?

It’s a souvenir piece used by all out going, incoming head of states and state functions. It’s been under the navy’s custody since our independence.

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