Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Uzi wrote:http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000074148&story_title=Kenya-How-Police-gave-fake-PPO-security-chopper-ride

2 years! one more year and he would have made it in the head of state's list of commendation Lol.

ole Nkarei wrote:In due course inevitably the details of this messy situation will be established, even if we might not all get fed with ALL of it.

Granted, it is as shocking as it is scary. But we cannot not logically draw definitive conclusions yet one direction or the other.

Regardless of whatever spin our sensationalism-purveying media put to it, there is very little detail out presently.

As for claims of the family (his Dad is holding a "spill-the-beans" Press Conference at Noon) - - hell, would you give equal credit to a Gospel written by Barrabas family members, as to the Synoptic writings of Mathew Mark Luke and John?

Safe your weapons. Ngojeni mpaka ukweli upatikane.

countersniper wrote:ole n



let me digress kidogo
unconfirmed reports suggest that there is serious bad blood developing between KDF commanders on the ground and their main allies in kismayu the ras kamboni brigade commander.
we need to ventilate this ....whats going on?

Neutral Ground wrote:Allow me to digress abit on a taboo topic.What do you felas think of KDF deploying a few Panhards in major towns on election day.It would be a site to behold for the uninitiated and would be rouble rousers.I once witnessed them at Karobangi roundabout after matatus had caused a grid rock;their mare happenstance solved the problem and scared the touts to the marrow.You could hear them swear someone had ordered MBTs to displine them.

Just a thought.

Neutral Ground wrote:Allow me to digress abit on a taboo topic.What do you felas think of KDF deploying a few Panhards in major towns on election day.It would be a site to behold for the uninitiated and would be rouble rousers.I once witnessed them at Karobangi roundabout after matatus had caused a grid rock;their mare happenstance solved the problem and scared the touts to the marrow.You could hear them swear someone had ordered MBTs to displine them.

Just a thought.

ole Nkarei wrote:There ARE Contingencies for that eventuality, integral to the KDF Constitutional obligation to safeguard this Nation - in this respect by coming to the aid of the Civilian Authorities in a strictly support-role. Force Projection of th KDF in the manner you depict is counterproductive.

It needs to be clear that domestically deploying the KDF in effect implies a collapse of Civilian Governance Structures to varying degrees. It really is a Cold Coup when power and domestic responsibility is ceded to the Military for whatever duration and justification. The better option is to appropriately engender civilian institutions as would be necessary so as to make the utilization of the KDF domestically as a last-option consideration.

There will be just under one-hundred thousand Uniforms under the Inspector-General by April this year. More than adequate to address the Civil Order Thread Board by far.

Neutral Ground wrote:Allow me to digress abit on a taboo topic.What do you felas think of KDF deploying a few Panhards in major towns on election day.It would be a site to behold for the uninitiated and would be rouble rousers.I once witnessed them at Karobangi roundabout after matatus had caused a grid rock;their mare happenstance solved the problem and scared the touts to the marrow.You could hear them swear someone had ordered MBTs to displine them.

Just a thought.

Olekoima wrote:

jasiri wrote:While i was doing my high altitude aerial recce of this blog and its happenings, certain things happened in the world that i think we would do well to note.

China unveiled it 'indigenous' Jian 15 carrier aircraft (another name for Su 33)
The imperialists deployed patriot missiles to the Turkish border to 'counter' Syrian SSM's, as if Syria would be crazy enough to fire guided projectiles at Turkey
Russia 'sold' Iran the highly accurate hunter-killer Iskander SSM and deployed a flotilla (an ASW destroyer, a landing ship a fleet replenishment ship and a handful of frigates) to Syria
North Korea successfully launches its 'satellite'
China buzzes Diaoyu with a Coast Guard aircraft the Samurais go overboard in the response with 8 F-15's and an AWACS bird to chase away the 'deadly' Y-12 from 'Senkaku'
China declares from 1st January some Migingos off the coast of Phillipines, Malay and a bevy of other weird countries will under Chinese Jurisdiction and as such, shipping will need permission from Chinese maritime authorities to transit.
Annan and his hoard of marauding western puppets pump up the volume on the 'illegitimacy' of certain presidential candidates in Kenya.
The Rwandese are caught pants down shitting in the neighbours farm
SADC approves the deployment of an AMISOM type force to E. DRC
The Malian Force curiously fails to agree on anything while Chad, who by all means are the UPDF of North Central, conveniently get sucked into an out-of-nowhere rebellion in the CAR (funny, where is Kony in all this?)
oh, and Spartan once again does his characteristic 'pop up, shoot, dive' tactic on Ole Nkarei

As this events were happening, not necessarily in the listed order, i realised something. Kenya has it's backside exposed.
In my evaluation of 'the troubles' in relation to the ambitions this country has i conclude we have an armed force woefully inadequate of the task before us. The United States has slowly been backed into a corner and this new desperate America is becoming dangerous to everyone around them. Russia's snarling in Europe is now developing into a ''crouch'' position ready for an attack. China is squeezing the U.S Navy out of the South, East China Seas, Yellow Sea and Gulf of Tonkin. As a super power emerging it is owning its waters the way the U.S owns the Pacific, Atlantic and the Mexican Gulf. The direct result of this is a moody Washington which no longer cares about subtleness but now jumps for the jugular of nations at the slightest hint of kichwa ngumu in relation to its foreign policy.

Back to Kenya.

We have a Vision to industrialise oursleves by 2030. To achieve this, certain nations must be on board. C.A.R, D.R.C, South Sudan, Somalia, Burundi (making up the hard nuts) Uganda, Tanzania and Rwanda (the more willing members). This requires allot of strategising on our part because as it already, some senseless wars are breaking out (like this one of CAR). It is as if someone is frustrating us in their larger than life chess game. We need a military that take care of problems at a regional level. Our lack of strategic assets will be our Achilles heel. Risasi once said that future operations will take a regional shape. however, even in a regional setting there must be a leader regardless of whoever owns the rotating chairmanship. Museveni seems to be the guy reading his bones and beads correctly. We have most to gain from East Africa and therefore we have the most to protect in E.A.
The above said, i propose it's time we re-organised our forces starting from the most vital unit going into the future..

The Navy.

Here @Mjeshi could help...a force organised into 2 fleets. One focused on the coast of Mombasa, Tanzania, Mozambique and DRC in the Atlantic, i'll call this the Southern Fleet. Another one focused on the coast of Mombasa, and Somalia (in my estimates the toughest challenge). These 2 fleets should be armed with a mix of 2 LPD's (that between them can transport a battalion of marines (the KRI Makassar is a good example) 4 frigates (fully capable of land attack), 16 corvettes* (littoral capable e.g Cigala Fulgosi, Baynunah), about 8 coastal patrol boats (like the Nyayo and Shujaa class) and about 4 LST's (with a slightly higher displacement than the Tana and Galana). Now with this set up a Submarine force is obviously a neccesity, but since this will be primarily for anti-shipping(which the possibility for a naval war is a bit off), intelligence gathering. . .4 capable subs will be adequate. Between them, two fully mechanised Marine battalions. naturally the army will be resistant to this new powerful navy, therefore a permanent detachment of air calv from the army should be seconded to support amphibious operations.

Air Force,

they have pretty much covered it on the fighter front. What the completely lack, n are very comfy about it, is a lack of strategic air lifters. If we are going to lock down our turf then we need to re-supply troops deployed far from our borders. our current airlift capacity is laughable for a country with this big an ambition. A couple of C-130 class (the Yun 8 looks promising) air assets ought to cover that front. Since going into the future the air operations will primarily be air-ground instead of air-air, a respectable replacement for the F-5's once they reach the end of their usefull life is in order (the F-15's if Multi role will be a huge plus).

As for the army

..hehehe..OLE NKAREI..when i asked about converting the old ladies to heavy IFV's it is because i realised that what we have in this country is primarily a motorised infantry. We pia unajua we cant call the PUMA's APC's, they are MRAP's period! Their role and application is way different from APC's and IFV's. luckily, someone realised this and hence the LAZAR's (beautiful animals this ones). This will go a long way in complementing the WZ 551's. The tank force should also have a major makeover. I personally do not believe the T-72 was a good choice seeing as this tank will be obsolete in the next few years. A powerful and expanded tank force should keep anyone in check. Their air Calv is pretty much well equipped so that's a plus. Field guns and artillery, more punch more mobility more variety in range. Thats all i can say on arty coz i hardly know jack about it.

However all this done, wish should not underestimate the power of soft-force. cross training, bilateral agreements, mutual assistance programs, mutual defence pacts etc. I personally liked what Kibaki did with Burundi, extending military aid to the Burundians. In asmuch as this helps them, it endears us to them and gives us a launching pad into the beehive that is Congo should it come to that. I propose the same for the CAR too. this is a country that is seriously underdeveloped and a shoulder to lean on like Kenya's should be much appreciated. Train their troops in exchange of trade opportunities (and that little detail about a base in CAR) should be more than fair. Angola should be a 'friend' in the Atlantic. We would do well to have them as an ally than a competitor. It shouldn't be that hard to convince Kabila of the need for naval security in the Congo. This is whee the southern fleet's frigates should and corvettes would work their magic. A ready amphibious force that can deploy anywhere in our AOI should keep any cheeky party contained. The primary reason for such a large force of littoral capable corvettes is because the future naval challenge will be securing Lines of Communication from pirates more than foreign warship (even though this too is a reality). A respectable corvette armed with ship to ship missiles and good guns for littoral warfare should be very effective. The frigates will be primarily for when things go south real bad.

If we kid ourselves that the status quo will remain with the current troop levels then we are in for a shock. No country worth it's name wants foreign warships with unknown intentions drifting off its coastline. Ever wondered why Myanmar built a new Capital city?
Haya open to debates and criticism.

MERRY CHRISTMAS men of the blog

Happy new year to you all,
I agree with you @Jasiri especially on the tank force. The T-72 may not last long and is being acquired by every Tom, Dick and Harry meaning that we may no longer maintain the edge over others by fielding a vastly superior machine as we have done for years with the Vickers. It may be worthwhile to consider other potent tanks like the Leopards. Indeed even UG seems to be eying newer machines like the T-90. What does this tell you?

Hahahhaha very interesting. First and foremost, happy belated holidays and a prosperous 2013 to all TEA members, old and new......…. Sasa maneno ya vikosi.

Gentlemen let’s not confuse duly tailored military units to an east African safari rally crew. if you’ve got 2000cc wheel I ought to get a bigger one to outsmart the opponent. Hapana.

1. KDFs future mission and vision. Something likes what you call the Vision 2030 Kenya for Gov’t. by the way KDF had a vision and mission before even the Gov,t recited one. tuko mbale baba.

countersniper wrote:the most effective strategy kdf employed in operation OLN was to pretend to give information and yet in doing so they were giving distinctive disinformation..
they ultimately fooled alshabab about an impending massive land based invasion of kismayu ..only to land by sea. and take kismayu without firing a shot.

Risasi wrote:Hahahhaha very interesting. First and foremost, happy belated holidays and a prosperous 2013 to all TEA members, old and new......…. Sasa maneno ya vikosi.

@jas. And friends Mambo haya pangwi namna hiyo esp. not in KDFs doctrines and protocols on doing things

Gentlemen let’s not confuse duly tailored military units to an east African safari rally crew. if you’ve got 2000cc wheel I ought to get a bigger one to outsmart the opponent. Hapana.

Jas your suggestions are good and any developing country will be happy to be so but looking at it as an expert the stuff will spend 70% of its valuable prime time as dockyards, hangers and barracks beauty queens. In short we don’t have threats that deserver that ordinance/weaponlogy, not in the near decade. Wewe wacha bwana Subs, landcrafts etc for what??? Not forgetting training and maintenance against a ghost or an undefined enemy. Your ordnance is what I can call; meant for intimidation and deterrence. A weak and an irresponsible purpose.

Risasi as always you made the mistake of assuming i'm asking for an immediate procurement and commissioning of these crafts, not so my grey haired friend. The average type it takes to build a warship, outfit it and take it through it's acceptance trials is about 3 years. That divided by 22 major surface combatants this 'new navy' will have at about two ships per delivery averages around 15 years. If i'm to understand you correctly are you saying that in your expert view the current naval fleet will be adequate for the next decade? Hubris my friend. Ole Nkarei here stated a few replies down that indeed the KDF is in the process of forming a Marine Expeditionary Force. Now how do you propose the get to their battle fields and protect their landings? Air drops and air strikes? remember this is a MARINE unit and as a spearhead of a larger force it definitely needs some armour that you guys in the Air Force will be unable to deliver to them. A fast mover is just to unsuited to support a landing force. Where will the heavy arty support come from? This Kismayu op itself highlighted the inadequate nature of our amphibious force. You don't agree? Then tell me why the M.V Alpha Kirawira was included into our 'merchant navy'.

The key philosophy in KDF is always to be a breast in strategies and tactics in the regions. If I were to crack little open the chest to how things are done, you will see the following in the below priority.

1. KDFs future mission and vision. Something likes what you call the Vision 2030 Kenya for Gov’t. by the way KDF had a vision and mission before even the Gov,t recited one. tuko mbale baba.

2. Let the neighbours define they force and strategy, and we will create a collective antidote for them, again drawn from KDFs mission and vision

So we are basically a reactionary force and not a proactive one? Kenyanese...

Finally …On the onset of OLN you personally read and heard ours neighbours bold opinions on KDF. 1 year down the lane we cleansed our name and ended the show. I beg you oooh…Use that as a “writing on the wall” on what those around us know in details about the insides of strategies and planning of the KDF.

if still not convinced I wouldn’t mind discussing a few bits and scraps on KDF strategy and planning at a layman’s level.

Asanteni

jasiri wrote:

Risasi wrote:Hahahhaha very interesting. First and foremost, happy belated holidays and a prosperous 2013 to all TEA members, old and new......…. Sasa maneno ya vikosi.

@jas. And friends Mambo haya pangwi namna hiyo esp. not in KDFs doctrines and protocols on doing things

Gentlemen let’s not confuse duly tailored military units to an east African safari rally crew. if you’ve got 2000cc wheel I ought to get a bigger one to outsmart the opponent. Hapana.

Jas your suggestions are good and any developing country will be happy to be so but looking at it as an expert the stuff will spend 70% of its valuable prime time as dockyards, hangers and barracks beauty queens. In short we don’t have threats that deserver that ordinance/weaponlogy, not in the near decade. Wewe wacha bwana Subs, landcrafts etc for what??? Not forgetting training and maintenance against a ghost or an undefined enemy. Your ordnance is what I can call; meant for intimidation and deterrence. A weak and an irresponsible purpose.

Risasi as always you made the mistake of assuming i'm asking for an immediate procurement and commissioning of these crafts, not so my grey haired friend. The average type it takes to build a warship, outfit it and take it through it's acceptance trials is about 3 years. That divided by 22 major surface combatants this 'new navy' will have at about two ships per delivery averages around 15 years. If i'm to understand you correctly are you saying that in your expert view the current naval fleet will be adequate for the next decade? Hubris my friend. Ole Nkarei here stated a few replies down that indeed the KDF is in the process of forming a Marine Expeditionary Force. Now how do you propose the get to their battle fields and protect their landings? Air drops and air strikes? remember this is a MARINE unit and as a spearhead of a larger force it definitely needs some armour that you guys in the Air Force will be unable to deliver to them. A fast mover is just to unsuited to support a landing force. Where will the heavy arty support come from? This Kismayu op itself highlighted the inadequate nature of our amphibious force. You don't agree? Then tell me why the M.V Alpha Kirawira was included into our 'merchant navy'.

The key philosophy in KDF is always to be a breast in strategies and tactics in the regions. If I were to crack little open the chest to how things are done, you will see the following in the below priority.

1. KDFs future mission and vision. Something likes what you call the Vision 2030 Kenya for Gov’t. by the way KDF had a vision and mission before even the Gov,t recited one. tuko mbale baba.

2. Let the neighbours define they force and strategy, and we will create a collective antidote for them, again drawn from KDFs mission and vision

So we are basically a reactionary force and not a proactive one? Kenyanese...

Finally …On the onset of OLN you personally read and heard ours neighbours bold opinions on KDF. 1 year down the lane we cleansed our name and ended the show. I beg you oooh…Use that as a “writing on the wall” on what those around us know in details about the insides of strategies and planning of the KDF.

if still not convinced I wouldn’t mind discussing a few bits and scraps on KDF strategy and planning at a layman’s level.

Asanteni

To my understanding it was contracted to FERRY equipment’s and also double as a mother ship at a green area ,high seas away from visual and enemy contact.



24 vehicles capable.

KNs Galana and Tana did the actual beach assault from MV M.V Alpha Kirawira .

The concept used was similar to a mother assault ship (kirawira) and support landing crafts (Tana & Galana) at fraction the coast. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphibious_assault_ship

if that ain,t improvising and tactics then educate me more.

HokumA wrote:Loved it

ole Nkarei wrote:@Jas.

Woa there, Jas. I didn't see the Bullet-man contradicting your concept. Rather ressizing it from an insider view.

Jas your suggestions are good and any developing country will be happy to be so but looking at it as an expert the stuff will spend 70% of its valuable prime time as dockyards, hangers and barracks beauty queens. In short we don’t have threats that deserver that ordinance/weaponlogy, not in the near decade. Wewe wacha bwana Subs, landcrafts etc for what??? Not forgetting training and maintenance against a ghost or an undefined enemy. Your ordnance is what I can call; meant for intimidation and deterrence. A weak and an irresponsible purpose

I don't know how you'd call that.


A bit earlier in reply to @Ole Sidai asking about the prioritization and determination of the competing Defense Procurement needs of Navy, Air and Army Arms of KDF, I launched into a windy rationalization on how this convoluted process runs from concept to procurement.

Undeniably, our Defense Funds are finite; our Defense needs infinite while our Defense Ideals almost Ethereal - the stuff of good idealism! The success is in a prioritized and optimized utilisation - on a scale ensuing from the Threat Board. So, we reach an realistic as possible Concept on each segmented facet onnon the Board and incrementally work our way towards each. Hell, there are procurement profile for anwhole range of scenarios including with the hydrocarbons yet underground ballooning our procurement capabilities.

And that's something all members here (even Cylon, where is he by the way?) understand. I clearly pointed that this will be a V2030 force, in that when the country is getting to 2030 the Defence Forces is growing too to protect this new found wealth. It will be substantial. A strong industrial base and flowing hydrocarbons...someone's got to develop a craving for our wealth.

The Marine Expeditionary Force is a realizable and realistic Concept at working stages. But that is where we are headed incrementally and deliberately. How soon to achieve rigid realization is uncertain at this point.

You know the AirCal tank killers developed a Concept of Eight to Ten Havoc Squadrons and six of the Black Sharks IN THE INTERMEDIATE term. As it turned out due to long delayed UN reimbursements for OLN Equipment use and losses, they got six squadrons of one and none of the other - for the moment. And that generally is the story for pretty much kila mtu!

The air force……is a lack of strategic air lifters… kindly expound that statement.

ole Nkarei wrote:@Jas.

Woa there, Jas. I didn't see the Bullet-man contradicting your concept. Rather ressizing it from an insider view. Let's retract yuma kidogo.

A bit earlier in reply to @Ole Sidai asking about the prioritization and determination of the competing Defense Procurement needs of Navy, Air and Army Arms of KDF, I launched into a windy rationalization on how this convoluted process runs from concept to procurement.

Undeniably, our Defense Funds are finite; our Defense needs infinite while our Defense Ideals almost Ethereal - the stuff of good idealism! The success is in a prioritized and optimized utilisation - on a scale ensuing from the Threat Board. So, we reach an realistic as possible Concept on each segmented facet onnon the Board and incrementally work our way towards each. Hell, there are procurement profile for anwhole range of scenarios including with the hydrocarbons yet underground ballooning our procurement capabilities.

The Marine Expeditionary Force is a realizable and realistic Concept at working stages. But that is where we are headed incrementally and deliberately. How soon to achieve rigid realization is uncertain at this point.

You know the AirCal tank killers developed a Concept of Eight to Ten Havoc Squadrons and six of the Black Sharks IN THE INTERMEDIATE term. As it turned out due to long delayed UN reimbursements for OLN Equipment use and losses, they got six squadrons of one and none of the other - for the moment. And that generally is the story for pretty much kila mtu!

A gunship, a tank and the armor corps.

gunships are therefore the best defense lines in open and wide threats against almost anything that crawls I,e for defense and counter attacks Locate and destroy in succession goes the slang. its therefore mandatory and paramount to have the best Gunship our economy can buy. The procurement of Mi28 is an imminent defense strategy rather than an intimidating one. At the moment what squadron of Mi-28 can do (in a secured sky) in a period of 24hrs locate artillery batteries, kill any amour skin in the present market is equivalent to what any tank squadron out there can achieve in 3 hours. so even if jirani gets T-90++ or an Abrams against our present armour ndugu zanuni consider yourself safe. Iko swali mpaka hapo?

Risasi wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:@Jas.

Woa there, Jas. I didn't see the Bullet-man contradicting your concept. Rather ressizing it from an insider view. Let's retract yuma kidogo.

A bit earlier in reply to @Ole Sidai asking about the prioritization and determination of the competing Defense Procurement needs of Navy, Air and Army Arms of KDF, I launched into a windy rationalization on how this convoluted process runs from concept to procurement.

Undeniably, our Defense Funds are finite; our Defense needs infinite while our Defense Ideals almost Ethereal - the stuff of good idealism! The success is in a prioritized and optimized utilisation - on a scale ensuing from the Threat Board. So, we reach an realistic as possible Concept on each segmented facet onnon the Board and incrementally work our way towards each. Hell, there are procurement profile for anwhole range of scenarios including with the hydrocarbons yet underground ballooning our procurement capabilities.

The Marine Expeditionary Force is a realizable and realistic Concept at working stages. But that is where we are headed incrementally and deliberately. How soon to achieve rigid realization is uncertain at this point.

You know the AirCal tank killers developed a Concept of Eight to Ten Havoc Squadrons and six of the Black Sharks IN THE INTERMEDIATE term. As it turned out due to long delayed UN reimbursements for OLN Equipment use and losses, they got six squadrons of one and none of the other - for the moment. And that generally is the story for pretty much kila mtu!

To add on the above lets share an insight:

A gunship, a tank and the armor corps.

Am writing this script cause I encounter lads and buddies (and now forummers)that claim neighboring armies have upgrade their tank corps with better tanks than ours. if we look at it as the east African safari rally then the race has been won. T-90 are now with in our vicinity vs KDF pre 80ties tanks; Vickers MK3 ,AMl-90 and pre-90ties T-72. But before I go into long debilitations I would like to take the forum 60years back with a question.

Where was the US /allied armored during the Vietnam war ?? the tank Corps seen in WII and latter modernized and featured extensively in the 1&2 Gulf war.

Where was the massive allied tank corps during the Vietnam War??

I am posting a question because of procurement blunders, impulsive buying and misuse of taxpayers done around our border and I will show you why those latest equipment’s brought around our borders shouldn’t worry you.

A gunship, a tank and the armor corps.

Of late KDF has procured latest Soviet gunships a mixed squadron of Mi-28 and Mi-28NM. A state of art gunship that rivals none other than (debatable) the US apache advance model, the longbow apache AH-64D. We need these equipment’s not for pride or vanity sake but for a defensive statute.

70% of our nation is open country (arid and semi-arid) up north, south and coast regions. Such areas are imperiling to armor incursions and indeed our neighbors do have that capability.

Strategy and tactics

gunships are therefore the best defense lines in open and wide threats against almost anything that crawls I,e for defense and counter attacks Locate and destroy in succession goes the slang. its therefore mandatory and paramount to have the best Gunship our economy can buy. The procurement of Mi28 is an imminent defense strategy rather than an intimidating one. At the moment what squadron of Mi-28 can do (in a secured sky) in a period of 24hrs locate artillery batteries, kill any amour skin in the present market is equivalent to what any tank squadron out there can achieve in 3 hours. so even if jirani gets T-90++ or an Abrams against our present armour ndugu zanuni consider yourself safe. Iko swali mpaka hapo?

Now back to the opening question; the Vietnam war. The allied didn’t use (in plenty) their tank corps because it was a jungle war and its virtually impracticable operate Tanks in Jungle or Mountainous regions. Tanks strive well in open and wide areas. Tanks can,t maneuver turn shoot and run between large trees engagements is reduce also low as 20meters depending on the density of the forests or the inclinations of the mountainous terrain (Ole Sidai ex Tanker you will agree with me on that ).

so when you see a country sitting in the middle of or shares the Congo basin, one the word largest natural forest, investing in tank squadrons and subsequently Gunships you sit in wonder if the procurement was done out of imitation or impulsive buying. At the moment Kabila with his tank regiments T-90 (one of the latest tanks in the world) can’t punch a crack against the M23 rebels because that piece of jewel can’t fight in that environment. Those crawlers are no more than Garrisons beauty queens and parade apple eyes. Those state of the art tanks will not perform the prime function which the tax payer bought them in for, because there in the wrong environment.
Had his brass invested that cash in airborne brigades (simple choppers like the zw-9 utility version)and training or contracted an ex Vietnam veteran to draw up his military units, today rebel activities would be at per.


So young jas I know what am talking about and where such impulsive and chest thumping procurements can lead into.