Re: Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Sierra Kilo Mon Dec 03 2012, 14:17

Naivasha, Kenya: Five Kenya army officers were on Monday arrested in Kongoni, Naivasha following the killing of a rhino in Oserian sanctuary by poachers.

The officers based at Lanet army barracks in Nakuru gave contradicting stories on their presence next to the sanctuary a few hours after the killing.

After hours of interrogation, the five were set free despite a tracker dog picking out one of the suspects on several occasions.

A senior police officer said the five were still suspects and could be recalled if there was enough evidence found incriminating them.

Trouble started after poachers killed the rhino and removed its horns but they were spotted and pursued.

Officers from Kenya Wildlife Service (KWS) and Police embarked on a major air and ground operation and arrested the five.

According to the Naivasha district KWS game warden Mr Munene Rauni, investigations indicated that the poachers used a gun to kill the rhino.

Munene said that after hours of searching they managed to recover one of the smaller horns near the scene of the crime.

“We were using a plane and officers from police, Oserian and KWS and the operation is still going on,” he said.

The warden confirmed the arrest of the five army officers adding that they were released as there was no evidence linking them to the crime.

“The five claim that they had come to see a land belonging to a colleague but we are still investigating this matter as their story is not adding up,” he said.

A source close to the investigations said that one of the army officers had been picked on several times by a tracker-dog.

“The first police officer on the scene say that one of the army officers was on the scene and had the AK47 rifle,” he said.

When did we start having armed soldiers marauding in private game sanctuaries?

What was the tasking and was it approved by KDOD?

what?

What?....&%$£")*^% Evil or Very Mad

Risasi Mon Dec 03 2012, 19:23

HokumA wrote:
Risasi wrote:The KC-390 as in theater transporter.
With due respect to Embraers cost effective parts and technology, the KC-390 runs on Jet engines unlike props. Jet engines are hight susceptible to physical damage considering the nature and environments of our perceived theaters.

Like always you are spot on with your analysis but the KC-390 can offer us what we need in terms of a tactical transporter and other roles which include but not limited to In-Fight-Refueling. It is true that Jet engines are not the way to go but that cannot be used as the sole reason to dismiss this promising and cost effective bird. This bird is packing some serious hardware something worth considering; http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Embraer-Launches-KC-390-Tactical-Air-Transport-Program-05380/

Belated answer:

i meant that the KC-390 is a paved runway Bird which would limit KAF wings ops to paved and well groomed areas, a fraction of our perceived areas of ops. for instants china town airport had virtually no tarmac on the runway, birds like the Yankee one two manage without issues.

i personally feel the Y8F400 (solid nose china antonov) offers a better platform.

http://www.y8f400.com.cn/indexPortal/home/index.do?cmd=goToChannel&cid=1379&cpid=2642&columnType=101&likeType=list

cylon Tue Dec 04 2012, 00:07

Will kenya give the somali military OLN equipment??

As we begin to acquire new military equipment will the current stock of used South African APC, Used LandCrusiers, Tanks, Panhards, aging naval ships and other equipment be sold to somalia? Are we also training the somali army to be a professional army?

What are the military projections of the defense forces?

Uzi Tue Dec 04 2012, 08:03

Sierra Kilo wrote:

“The first police officer on the scene say that one of the army officers was on the scene and had the AK47 rifle,” he said.
[/color]

When did we start having armed soldiers marauding in private game sanctuaries?

What was the tasking and was it approved by KDOD?

what?

What?....&%$£")*^%

You should know better since when did AK47 become standard KDF issue? If the guys did it it was their own mission and should bear the consequences.

Guest Tue Dec 04 2012, 10:06

[quote=] Tanzanian defence minister plans for stronger military
December 03, 2012

+ Comment now Print Email Reset
Tanzania plans to scale up its military capacity in the wake of recent natural resource discoveries, Tanzania's Daily News reported Monday (December 3rd).

Related Articles
Kikwete urges extraction companies to engage local communities
Tanzanian legislators approve budget
Kikwete calls for higher standards for leaders
Tanzanian officials call for calm in Zanzibar
"We have reached a point where the country's security should be of paramount importance due to recent discoveries of massive uranium deposits, gas reserves and the possibility of striking oil," Minister of Defence Shamsi Vuai Nahodha said at the weekend at the Tanzania Military Academy in Monduli.

Nahodha said that as the country acquires wealth, it becomes a potential target for enemies inside and outside its borders. He said the government intends to invest in better training, modern equipment and care for its officers.

"In reinforcing our military forces, we are intending to create a well-trained, fully equipped, modest but modernised armed forces," he said. "It is this outfit that will face the challenges of changing times." [/quote]

Seems every nation in the region is strengthening militarily

Guest Tue Dec 04 2012, 11:07

cylon wrote:Will kenya give the somali military OLN equipment??

As we begin to acquire new military equipment will the current stock of used South African APC, Used LandCrusiers, Tanks, Panhards, aging naval ships and other equipment be sold to somalia? Are we also training the somali army to be a professional army?

What are the military projections of the defense forces?

Did the UN lift the arms embargo against somalia? that would stand in the way to what you are proposing

MWAURA Tue Dec 04 2012, 12:24

Ole Nkarei,please come in! I know you're busy on sites I myself avoid like dysentery, but please tell us: how are things in Kismayu and the wider Jubbaland? Have the citizens and ALS accepted the new realities? Everything and everybody in that sector is quiet-tell us what you can.

Guest Tue Dec 04 2012, 16:07

Jambo wazalendo.

Sorry my tag-team took a short R&R from TEA. Got spooked the increasing politically "correct" post without discernible inferences to the purpose of these TEA forums. Chaps stay "dark" during all discussions and only coming out to throw bucolic barbs that lack relevance. Comments that can only draw Politically Partisan responses. There a plenty of sites where different types of Politics are the normal food fare. And since I am voting next year for the first time, I am dipping my beak in some of them too - get a better grasp of those things before Ballot Day.

I suggest for the umpteenth time - let's draw a line between a church and a brothel by the purposes of one's visit and need, aiseeei!

That aside there is a gag-order from pretty near heaven on Theatre activities especially in Chair Town to avoid corrupting the delicate process of founding Jubbaland by the myriad of interested parties some with obviously insidious intentions. Will string out snippets.

Jubbaland Convention Rules,format and delegates numbers agreed on 28th Nov as a prerequisite benchmark. A consultative Convention is about to be summoned. From this Convention will result a Parliament and Presidency / Executive. Others Organs will be constituted in logical sequence. IGAD has made the creation of Jubbaland a Regional Security Imperative which fortunately has force of the Federal Soomaliya Charter.

OLN proves itself.

Moozalendo / Migfighter - get off my "six" or get your Camo-paint on and go 'Weapons-free', bro! Hehehe!

Neutral Ground Tue Dec 04 2012, 20:14

@ON good to hear from you' ship almost running aground.Troops conduct unbecoming.As for @Mooz' 'Already removed from your six o'clock by mild tracers' no need for any further lock on target.Wingman.

cylon Wed Dec 05 2012, 06:49

mchoraji wrote:
cylon wrote:Will kenya give the somali military OLN equipment??

As we begin to acquire new military equipment will the current stock of used South African APC, Used LandCrusiers, Tanks, Panhards, aging naval ships and other equipment be sold to somalia? Are we also training the somali army to be a professional army?

What are the military projections of the defense forces?

Did the UN lift the arms embargo against somalia? that would stand in the way to what you are proposing

They will be gone soon, somalia is already on the path of rehabilitation....

cylon Wed Dec 05 2012, 06:51

Risasi wrote:
HokumA wrote:
Risasi wrote:The KC-390 as in theater transporter.
With due respect to Embraers cost effective parts and technology, the KC-390 runs on Jet engines unlike props. Jet engines are hight susceptible to physical damage considering the nature and environments of our perceived theaters.

Like always you are spot on with your analysis but the KC-390 can offer us what we need in terms of a tactical transporter and other roles which include but not limited to In-Fight-Refueling. It is true that Jet engines are not the way to go but that cannot be used as the sole reason to dismiss this promising and cost effective bird. This bird is packing some serious hardware something worth considering; http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/Embraer-Launches-KC-390-Tactical-Air-Transport-Program-05380/

Belated answer:

i meant that the KC-390 is a paved runway Bird which would limit KAF wings ops to paved and well groomed areas, a fraction of our perceived areas of ops. for instants china town airport had virtually no tarmac on the runway, birds like the Yankee one two manage without issues.

i personally feel the Y8F400 (solid nose china antonov) offers a better platform.

http://www.y8f400.com.cn/indexPortal/home/index.do?cmd=goToChannel&cid=1379&cpid=2642&columnType=101&likeType=list

Why not then request some CF-Galaxy's which the americans proved their worth in the hot, dusty climate of Afghanistan and iraq

Guest Wed Dec 05 2012, 18:23

The frustration in this pages about the silence in the Soomaliya Theatre since Kismayu is palpable. Don't blame you folks at all. But all that has change is the nature of Operations.

In Kismayu we ride shotgun on leaving SNN and Raw Kabooni to project force. The Politicos from Nairobi are running the show frantically weaving a working civil administration for Jubbaland headquartered in Chai Town.

The Military component most active is Black Drapes and MIC. Because that is the nature of Armed contact currently - decapitation of Civilian and Military leadership on both sides. Very unpleasant business but necessary.

AS is more conventionally active Puntland and parts of Sector One than Sector Two where their activities are as above indicated though reduced and ineffectual.

If and when we get Jubbaland successfully running, we can come home.

@Spartan, Aggressor-one, Flying Crane - that's some nasty maneno in Dhanane - Afgoye last night. Hope the collateral wasn't too high.

Uzi Wed Dec 05 2012, 18:51

http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2012/Dec/27154/fight_against_al_shabaab_instructive_model_for_future_u_s_general.aspx

Interesting read. Its thumbs up to Amisom. Pray same success will be replicated in west Africa.

aggressor one Wed Dec 05 2012, 20:03

ole Nkarei wrote:The frustration in this pages about the silence in the Soomaliya Theatre since Kismayu is palpable. Don't blame you folks at all. But all that has change is the nature of Operations.

In Kismayu we ride shotgun on leaving SNN and Raw Kabooni to project force. The Politicos from Nairobi are running the show frantically weaving a working civil administration for Jubbaland headquartered in Chai Town.

The Military component most active is Black Drapes and MIC. Because that is the nature of Armed contact currently - decapitation of Civilian and Military leadership on both sides. Very unpleasant business but necessary.

AS is more conventionally active Puntland and parts of Sector One than Sector Two where their activities are as above indicated though reduced and ineffectual.

If and when we get Jubbaland successfully running, we can come home.

@Spartan, Aggressor-one, Flying Crane - that's some nasty maneno in Dhanane - Afgoye last night. Hope the collateral wasn't too high.

Action was in Marka when an IED went off as ministers toured-resultant fire fight left some SNA injured but no dead. UGABAG 9 has been poised outside Johwar, 90kms from Mogadishu for weeks now, two days ago, they made what seems to be a final move and the city will soon be free. On the road to Baidoa, elements of UGABAG X are steadily moving towards

Guest Wed Dec 05 2012, 23:38

aggressor one wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:The frustration in this pages about the silence in the Soomaliya Theatre since Kismayu is palpable. Don't blame you folks at all. But all that has change is the nature of Operations.

In Kismayu we ride shotgun on leaving SNN and Raw Kabooni to project force. The Politicos from Nairobi are running the show frantically weaving a working civil administration for Jubbaland headquartered in Chai Town.

The Military component most active is Black Drapes and MIC. Because that is the nature of Armed contact currently - decapitation of Civilian and Military leadership on both sides. Very unpleasant business but necessary.

AS is more conventionally active Puntland and parts of Sector One than Sector Two where their activities are as above indicated though reduced and ineffectual.

If and when we get Jubbaland successfully running, we can come home.

@Spartan, Aggressor-one, Flying Crane - that's some nasty maneno in Dhanane - Afgoye last night. Hope the collateral wasn't too high.

Action was in Marka when an IED went off as ministers toured-resultant fire fight left some SNA injured but no dead. UGABAG 9 has been poised outside Johwar, 90kms from Mogadishu for weeks now, two days ago, they made what seems to be a final move and the city will soon be free. On the road to Baidoa, elements of UGABAG X are steadily moving towards

I wasn't referring to that ambush. Exfil of the three Soomali Minister and Chief of Police was by Helios - whose choppers were they, eh?

I was referring to your chaps shelling a suburb of Afgoye last night. Ashabaab is infiltrating Afgoye and makingntye Afgoye transport corridor a death-trap. If you chaps run up collateral with such tactics used in earl days of your Crazy Town Trench Wars, we may never leave this place man!

The Government appears to leak intelligence to Alshabaab like a Gituamba call-girl. ALshabaab has every detail of the travel itinerary of Government Officers! Eeiish!

Sierra Kilo Thu Dec 06 2012, 22:24

Belvoir hospital hosts Kenyan military officers

November 21, 2011

FORT BELVOIR, Va. -- Col. Daniel Mbinda (left), senior medical officer, and Lt. Col. Musa Kimuge (right), chief nursing officer, of Defence Forces Memorial Hospital in Nairobi, Kenya, speak with staff members at Fort Belvoir Community Hospital here during a tour of the Intensive Care Unit Nov. 10, 2011. The officers spent five days learning about evidence-based design and patient- and family-centered care as part of a military-to-military exchange program. (Department of Defense photo by Marc Barnes)

Two Kenyan medical officers recently shadowed doctors at Fort Belvoir Community Hospital to observe how American medics manage hospital operations and medical care.

Col. Daniel Mbinda, senior medical officer, and Lt. Col. Musa Kimuge, chief nursing officer, of Defence Forces Memorial Hospital in Nairobi, Kenya spent five days learning about evidence-based design and patient- and family-centered care as part of a military-to-military exchange program.

Most impressive to the Kenyan officers are features that specifically focus on patient care. From the design of the patient rooms to procedures that enable doctors to wait for the patient in the treatment room, Mbinda and Kimuge said there is a lot of innovation here that make the environment "completely unique."

"The concept of incorporating the family in the patient's care is quite elaborate, and the team spirit is very high," Kimuge said.

The week prior to the Kenyan's visit, their host -- Col. John O'Brien -- played student to the Kenyan team as he shadowed the officers at their premier referral hospital for the Kenyan department of defense. Mainly focused on the research and treatment of infectious diseases, the Defence Forces Memorial Hospital staff showed O'Brien the latest in care for tuberculosis, malaria and HIV.

"They have a very high-quality program when it comes to HIV care," O'Brien said. "They have great models we can learn a lot from."

In terms of treating war trauma patients, this is a relatively new focus for the Kenyan military medical community. Operations mainly centered on peacekeeping efforts up until a recent Somalia conflict, Mbinda explained.

"The care here is the best care that can be offered," Mbinda said in reference to treating war-wounded patients.

Although this was the first exchange program at the Belvoir hospital, U.S. Africa Command regularly deploys teams of mentors to countries in Africa to develop cooperative relationships with military forces there. The goal is to work with the partnering nation to strengthen friendships and increase overall security, stability and peace.

"The world is a global village," Kimuge said. "You cannot know your weaknesses until you have something you can compare it too. And you can't just look at slides from a presentation. You need to be able to see the processes and be able to conceptualize it."

Too often, there is a tendency to focus on differences, O'Brien said. "We may have different equipment, but we have the same approach and goal -- to provide the highest quality care possible. Hopefully, we can build a long-lasting relationship that will benefit both countries and further medical care."

The Medical Corps are not forgotten

Flying Crane Fri Dec 07 2012, 09:14

ole Nkarei wrote:
aggressor one wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:The frustration in this pages about the silence in the Soomaliya Theatre since Kismayu is palpable. Don't blame you folks at all. But all that has change is the nature of Operations.

In Kismayu we ride shotgun on leaving SNN and Raw Kabooni to project force. The Politicos from Nairobi are running the show frantically weaving a working civil administration for Jubbaland headquartered in Chai Town.

The Military component most active is Black Drapes and MIC. Because that is the nature of Armed contact currently - decapitation of Civilian and Military leadership on both sides. Very unpleasant business but necessary.

AS is more conventionally active Puntland and parts of Sector One than Sector Two where their activities are as above indicated though reduced and ineffectual.

If and when we get Jubbaland successfully running, we can come home.

@Spartan, Aggressor-one, Flying Crane - that's some nasty maneno in Dhanane - Afgoye last night. Hope the collateral wasn't too high.

Action was in Marka when an IED went off as ministers toured-resultant fire fight left some SNA injured but no dead. UGABAG 9 has been poised outside Johwar, 90kms from Mogadishu for weeks now, two days ago, they made what seems to be a final move and the city will soon be free. On the road to Baidoa, elements of UGABAG X are steadily moving towards

I wasn't referring to that ambush. Exfil of the three Soomali Minister and Chief of Police was by Helios - whose choppers were they, eh?

I was referring to your chaps shelling a suburb of Afgoye last night. Ashabaab is infiltrating Afgoye and makingntye Afgoye transport corridor a death-trap. If you chaps run up collateral with such tactics used in earl days of your Crazy Town Trench Wars, we may never leave this place man!

The Government appears to leak intelligence to Alshabaab like a Gituamba call-girl. ALshabaab has every detail of the travel itinerary of Government Officers! Eeiish!

16 projectiles were sent in Afgoye , buddy ……..zero collateral. …morale of the story;

precision and extra coordination.

proud kenyan Sat Dec 08 2012, 09:57

what happened to the post-OLN discussions? i would like to know what tank would replace the vickers since someone on the blog had said something along the lines of them going out of service.
also,is there any news on the guys captured by AS pre-OLN ie the MIA soldiers plus the government clerk etc?
can the trainers be used for fly-bys on a day like Jamhuri day,really missing the air displays.
now that the navy also had a revision of their charter, what toys have they in mind for fulfilling their improved role?

Guest Sat Dec 08 2012, 12:43

There hasn't been recovery of our MIA and the hostages, I'm sad to say. Though not from lack of effort. Time isn't friendly to us; and dealing with chaps that lobe grenades into a crowd of women and children some cautionary optimism is advised - we keep looking and running down every lead, but we also prepare to accept the unimaginable.

The MK3 Vickers war-shield is not going to the farm anytime that soon. The monster is good to mix with the best and certainly with better results than anything below a T-72AV. There will be an increase of the Armored Corps in numbers and advanced equipment going forth next year but the MK3 will still field with the rest for a couple more years. Conversion into an Heavy Infantry Fighting Vehicle is unrealistic diversion - the real deal isn't unaffordable after all.

Forum Discussions about OLN - the trepidation of the Uniforms to get this going is really understandable. Theater iw still wide open despite the change of face. Notice also that even official briefings have stopped - the political stage Jubbaland are in is just that delicate and that important. Let the Soomaliyians get Jubbaland going, and a KDF withdrawal timetable firmed up, and we can chat about all things and everything!

An Arms race has been quietly ranging in these parts for the past ten years. With the hydrocarbons coming on-stream in the next five years, defense spending might just balloon out. And external forces in competition for primacy in Kenyana will further exacerbate the natural force of drifting apart. Tanzania has just announced their very aggressive retooling and rebooting of their Military. So, there is going to be a dearth of Defense Spending Intentions on Strategic equipment going forth. From every player hedging their actions and intentions.

proud kenyan Sat Dec 08 2012, 14:40

ole Nkarei wrote:
An Arms race has been quietly ranging in these parts for the past ten years. With the hydrocarbons coming on-stream in the next five years, defense spending might just balloon out. And external forces in competition for primacy in Kenyana will further exacerbate the natural force of drifting apart. Tanzania has just announced their very aggressive retooling and rebooting of their Military. So, there is going to be a dearth of Defense Spending Intentions on Strategic equipment going forth. From every player hedging their actions and intentions.

could this bird also be part of the arms race in the region?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42494839/page/5
i spotted it sometime back, i believe some other forummers also spotted it over Nairobi skies

Al Bashir Mon Dec 10 2012, 07:20

proud kenyan wrote:
could this bird also be part of the arms race in the region?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42494839/page/5
i spotted it sometime back, i believe some other forummers also spotted it over Nairobi skies

KDF is set to acquire a new type of MRAP from Serbia. This coming in barely a month after the announcement of a new factory in MSA to assemble the Mamba Mk5. The Serbian MRAP is rated at STANAG Level 3 protection vs Level I of the Puma M26-15 currently deployed.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28756:kenya-to-receive-serbian-armoured-vehicles&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Armoured-car-dealer-to-open--plant-in-Kenya-/-/539550/1618520/-/10ajkkq/-/index.html

Guest Tue Dec 11 2012, 00:19

proud kenyan wrote:

could this bird also be part of the arms race in the region?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42494839/page/5

Surely you jest, @Proud Kenyan!

areba Tue Dec 11 2012, 09:05

been a while since we heard of GOSS & Northern sudan, might they have hit mutual respect and working together to offload their hydrocarbs for their collective good? how about Ethiopia and Eritrea'n warming up relations? what do these mean for LAPSSET...

Talking of which, which of the developing geopolitical events are the most dangerous for Kenyanna? the scramble for somalia, Kivu & ituri, entry of SADC into DRC politics, or North / South Sudan peace?

areba Tue Dec 11 2012, 09:16

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF) - Page 10 Hercul10

How about this for our "transport" needs?

Guest Tue Dec 11 2012, 09:30

areba wrote:been a while since we heard of GOSS & Northern sudan, might they have hit mutual respect and working together to offload their hydrocarbs for their collective good? how about Ethiopia and Eritrea'n warming up relations? what do these mean for LAPSSET...

Talking of which, which of the developing geopolitical events are the most dangerous for Kenyanna? the scramble for somalia, Kivu & ituri, entry of SADC into DRC politics, or North / South Sudan peace?

Now, that is a hard-nut, @Areba. lets start by recognising that all these flash-point types are cleverly manipulated and typically distractive - the GoSS/Sudan spate is idiotic as it has hurt both in equal measure, i.e Eventually they seem to be growing weary of their juvenile antics, lossing the apetite for Armed Conflict (even their proxy animals are increasingly getting caged). They will settle next year into some sort of uneasy cohabitation of divorcees!!

The Scramble for Soomaliya is yet in the Board-rooms and driven by politics and diplomacy. It is safe - yet. As long as the AMISOM/Ethiopian convergence retains political synergy, that is. See how placcid and relentless the Jubbaland Formation? I do not imagine this situation dramatically changing in the next year or so.

Eritrea and Ethiopia have no ideological divergences and their history is not insurmountably negative neither. More like a fall-out of the ruling classes on both Countries. Meles departure has altered the dynamics of this conundrum immeasurably, and the reetry into IGAD (and EAC eventually) by Eritrea is imminent - Soomaliya will not be integrited into IGAD/EAC before / without Eritrea.

From where I am seating, the Eastern DRC maneno even before the flexing of hunger by SADC was the most Clear and Present Geopolitical Threat in Kenyana, above all others. With Zuma and Kikwete now pushing for an SADC Force that is independed from that proposed in ICGL-Kampala, in all practical intentions and purposes...... First SADC Elements will be in GOMA by Wednesday this week, judging from all pronouncements!

HokumA Tue Dec 11 2012, 14:02

Al Bashir wrote:
proud kenyan wrote:
could this bird also be part of the arms race in the region?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/42494839/page/5
i spotted it sometime back, i believe some other forummers also spotted it over Nairobi skies

KDF is set to acquire a new type of MRAP from Serbia. This coming in barely a month after the announcement of a new factory in MSA to assemble the Mamba Mk5. The Serbian MRAP is rated at STANAG Level 3 protection vs Level I of the Puma M26-15 currently deployed.

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=28756:kenya-to-receive-serbian-armoured-vehicles&catid=50:Land&Itemid=105

http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Corporate-News/Armoured-car-dealer-to-open--plant-in-Kenya-/-/539550/1618520/-/10ajkkq/-/index.html

I have seen some information on the same on Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazar_BVT), this vehicle looks promising we have to wait and see how the dry run goes hopefully sometime in 2014 if all goes according to plan.

HokumA Tue Dec 11 2012, 14:56

areba wrote:

How about this for our "transport" needs?

That looks like the C-130 Hercules but at about $62 million (Old price) USD we are better of getting a cheaper transport solution for example the Embraer KC-390 (Jet engine not withstanding) or the Y8F400 however I don't like the Y8F400 because it is primarily a cargo transporter but we need a bird which can fit into different configurations e.g. transport, Air refueling, AEW&C, ambulance etc the KC-390 family is the bird best suited for this role and we can get them cheap plus Embraer is already planning to setup shop in Kenya to service KQ and other civilian customers in the neighborhood.

Guest Tue Dec 11 2012, 17:38

Unless one is a 'Continental Power' or has pretensions for that sort of Military Reach and Projection, a Turbo-prop large Transporter is the thing. If we project ourselves eight-ten years into the future, and envisage the theoretic extent of our Force Projection in this region, such will have determinant on bilateral concordance and therefore obviate the difficulties arising from 'reach' between Staging areas and Theatres of Ops- so, dispersed rear-base 'local' facilities over the region that allows for, say, land-refuels as opposed to air-tankers, land force-assembly and refitting / resupply areas, etc.

You a fly-boy,@Black Shark? Key it twice if yea!

Sierra Kilo Tue Dec 11 2012, 22:54

ole Nkarei wrote:Unless one is a 'Continental Power' or has pretensions for that sort of Military Reach and Projection, a Turbo-prop large Transporter is the thing. If we project ourselves eight-ten years into the future, and envisage the theoretic extent of our Force Projection in this region, such will have determinant on bilateral concordance and therefore obviate the difficulties arising from 'reach' between Staging areas and Theatres of Ops- so, dispersed rear-base 'local' facilities over the region that allows for, say, land-refuels as opposed to air-tankers, land force-assembly and refitting / resupply areas, etc.

Strategic Airlift capacity is glaringly missing for the KDF-AF it is the only force in the region without an aircraft of the class of An-12, C-130 or Y-8 transporters. During the start of OLN it was the french military that assisted in transporting strategic equipment from MAB or LAB to wajir. This is one thing that needs to be addressed ASAP as it means that the KDF cannot deploy speedily within or out of the country for both men and equipment. The 1960s DHC-5s have served well but its time to retire them. If a tiny country like Qatar can operate a C-17 Globemaster what does that say for KE.

Guest Tue Dec 11 2012, 23:41

Sierra Kilo wrote:
ole Nkarei wrote:Unless one is a 'Continental Power' or has pretensions for that sort of Military Reach and Projection, a Turbo-prop large Transporter is the thing. If we project ourselves eight-ten years into the future, and envisage the theoretic extent of our Force Projection in this region, such will have determinant on bilateral concordance and therefore obviate the difficulties arising from 'reach' between Staging areas and Theatres of Ops- so, dispersed rear-base 'local' facilities over the region that allows for, say, land-refuels as opposed to air-tankers, land force-assembly and refitting / resupply areas, etc.

Strategic Airlift capacity is glaringly missing for the KDF-AF it is the only force in the region without an aircraft of the class of An-12, C-130 or Y-8 transporters. During the start of OLN it was the french military that assisted in transporting strategic equipment from MAB or LAB to wajir. This is one thing that needs to be addressed ASAP as it means that the KDF cannot deploy speedily within or out of the country for both men and equipment. The 1960s DHC-5s have served well but its time to retire them. If a tiny country like Qatar can operate a C-17 Globemaster what does that say for KE.

Eh bana!! Read my post above a bit more keenly. We are not a Contnental Force nor have aspiration to be so, and in the scheme of things in Kenyana, future possible Power Projection across our Borders will be Bilaterally driven and hence grounded on established Military facilities in the Region.

So, you would have our Thunder stolen from us by whitey,eh? That famous fable about the French Transporting stuff for OLN is just a fantastic fable pandered by SIN. As it is, AMISOM has become baptised by Western Media as a "Western-backed-trained-supplied-led African Force'' in Soomaliya!! What is this stuff that these KDF/AF ''aging DHC'' cannot transport to staging grounds for such a small Force deployed on OLN? The OLN Force was inserted as a Compact Force, and two main staging grounds in Lamu and Wajir a mere 150 Kilometers from the furthest point of the egress into Soomaliya. And where did these French Planes stage from - Gabon? Camp Lemmonier? Seychelles? The French made deliveries of stores procured by kDoD and not necessarily for OLN.

Sponsored content

Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)