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countersniper wrote:its time someone took down the tall thin one and teach his foot soldiers a lesson..he is the one causing all these problems in Congo.we need to show his backers that he can be tamed.
problem is he keeps lashing out at anyone by using the 1994 genocide as cover for all his actions in the eastern Congo region.

I admire tall thin one alot. lets admit.... he indeed is a genius. If we had many african leaders thinking like him this continent would indeed be far.But he needs to be a bit measured in his endeavours. when screwing one of your neighbours wives, you do it covertly don't make it too obvious or there will be consequences. Rwanda also needs to take a hard look at itself the population increase especially has to be managed otherwise this will only breed chaos.
Thus said the SADC deployment and how it will play out is something to look forward to in the coming days.We need to see how the M23 & other armed guys in the region will take the whole thing.Am also waiting to see what tools will be deployed.When all is said, FARDC is the one that will in the end have to put it's act together. kabila has equipped them all they have is to put their backsides to productive use.otherwise the poor civilians in that region will continue in abject poverty in a sea of wealth while being displaced every other day & their poor women raped by the varios armed thugs in the region

For the avoidance of doubts, @Spartan, let me be as unequivocal as possible that it is my well founded belief GoU and the UPDF have waged war on the DRC directly and by proxy for over a Decade, and the M23 is really a transparent boogie for GoU and GoR formal involving in the destabilisation of the DRC. The justifications for this poorly camouflaged interference in the DRC are indeed stupedously obvious. ANYBODY WITH AN acceptable degree of access to the plethora of data on this most grave matter WILL RE-AFFIRM this belief just as unequivocally - waacha mambo ya ''facts mean different things to different people' - hakuna!!

The present talking-point where both Uganda and Rwanda find themselves being accussed of their duplicitous complicity in activities that have directly and indirectly resulted in genocidal killing and suffering of millions of Congolese and large-scale theft of Trillions of Dollars of precious raw materials in the past decade, is simply because the shadowy charactors in the Western world, in the Corporate, Political and Military sectors, with whom both GoR and GoU comtemplated and mounted these activities with since 1996, have now found it expedient to cut their links wth the GoR and GoU in the DRC matter, and whitewash they duplicity in it. There is no morality to display here, neithers sanitizing, high-sounding nationalistic mambo-jumboing in this situation - millions are dead since 1996 and many millions living in abject poverty and hopelessness in the Kivu and Ituri because of these GoR and GoU activities.

We too in Kenya have done our little bit of insidious strategizing in our Eastern Front - so I am not posting this with a holier-than-thou attitude. Just stating the unpleasant facts and refusing to be browbeaten by your threats of withdrawal. Nor your accusation of arrogance!

Now, go ahead and take your holiday - enjoy it too! The DRC-Ituri / Kivu / CRA / and the conundrum of GoR /GoU involvement in it will still be here when you return. Cheers!!

By the way, how easy is it to separate GoU & GoR's military/economic interests in that perilous region?

Kobooz wrote:By the way, how easy is it to separate GoU & GoR's military/economic interests in that perilous region?

They have non indigenos to themselves, and all interest they have in the DRC are those they have acquired of their greed.

When kagame talks of the FDLR twenty years after RPF masscred its way into Kigali, does he not imply that these former Rwandese Government Soldiers now in their fifties and sixties are ageless morons, or that their children were naturally born as bonafide members of the FDLR? What outrageous nonsense!! How can it be possible that the FDLR is a geopolitical talking point today? Isnt it his clever way of manipulating the world and more critically the majority Hutu population inside the Rwanda in the both Kivu with a Collectivised Guilt over a Genocide which a majority had nothing to do with nor even remember, but which that he more than anyone else was responsible for?

In the first three moths of the RPF entry into Kigali, a Millons Hutus were exterminated by rampaging RPF forces who had pursued them into Congo. In Kigali alone one masscre inside the City resulted in over 60,000 deaths, from UNAMIRs statistics, due to 120mm Mortor shelling of a refugee camp which Kagame wanted emptied!! Subesequent ''efforts'' by GoR and GoU has yielded an estimated 6Millions people dead inside this region in a period of fifteen years!! eeeiish!

ole Nkarei wrote:

Kobooz wrote:By the way, how easy is it to separate GoU & GoR's military/economic interests in that perilous region?

They have non indigenos to themselves, and all interest they have in the DRC are those they have acquired of their greed.

When kagame talks of the FDLR twenty years after RPF masscred its way into Kigali, does he not imply that these former Rwandese Government Soldiers now in their fifties and sixties are ageless morons, or that their children were naturally born as bonafide members of the FDLR? What outrageous nonsense!! How can it be possible that the FDLR is a geopolitical talking point today? Isnt it his clever way of manipulating the world and more critically the majority Hutu population inside the Rwanda in the both Kivu with a Collectivised Guilt over a Genocide which a majority had nothing to do with nor even remember, but which that he more than anyone else was responsible for?

In the first three moths of the RPF entry into Kigali, a Millons Hutus were exterminated by rampaging RPF forces who had pursued them into Congo. In Kigali alone one masscre inside the City resulted in over 60,000 deaths, from UNAMIRs statistics, due to 120mm Mortor shelling of a refugee camp which Kagame wanted emptied!! Subesequent ''efforts'' by GoR and GoU has yielded an estimated 6Millions people dead inside this region in a period of fifteen years!! eeeiish!

The question that people are not getting is this, with the SADC rolling into our sphere of influence, pacifying the Great Lake Region, what are we bound to miss out on? A country with a pop of over 75 million and infinite resources all screaming for investments, we are bound to loose all that. DRC will be out of bounds for the EAC to an extend that Tanzania will opt out of the community fully. I would rather the status quo remains in the region and it moves at our own pace, rather than the SADC rolling into town, setting up their industries in the region and we miss out on the biggest 'virgin' market in Africa. On other news, TZ has said that it is time SS is welcomed to the EAC. If TZ is the one proposing this, then the other countries better run for the hills! TZ has their own game plan in the region and that lies in SADC, PERIOD.

It is becoming clearer what the End-game of this SADC deployment in Eastern DRC is.

DRC has now officially subsumed all other Public Priorities to National Defence. The Monster might just be about to shake off it's sleazy slumber. Already, Kabila's point-men fanning are out in Kenya, South Africa, Uganda and further afield to raise capacity-expanders - men and equipment. Interesting times ahead!!

If Kabila has his way, DRC will swallow Rwanda and Burundi in the next five years!!

ole Nkarei wrote:It is becoming clearer what the End-game of this SADC deployment in Eastern DRC is.

DRC has now officially subsumed all other Public Priorities to National Defence. The Monster might just be about to shake off it's sleazy slumber. Already, Kabila's point-men fanning are out in Kenya, South Africa, Uganda and further afield to raise capacity-expanders - men and equipment. Interesting times ahead!!

If Kabila has his way, DRC will swallow Rwanda and Burundi in the next five years!!

Don't know if patriotism has ever been bought on a market table. The DRC is armed even better than the UPDF but cannot fight off a rag tag militia like the M23. This issue needs a political approach rather than a military one, they might end up with an egg on the face if they let testosterone lead the way.

Sierra Kilo wrote:... The DRC is armed even better than the UPDF but cannot fight off a rag tag militia like the M23. This issue needs a political approach rather than a military one, they might end up with an egg on the face if they let testosterone lead the way.

First of all, no one in the Great Lakes is better armed than the UPDF. In men, equipment, organisation, motivation, and leadership.

Second, a soldier fights better when he has a clear reason to fight for. After sixty years of autocratic, divisive, and despotic rule of Mobutu and the Kabilas, the Congolese are only a Nation in name only. Neither the past presidents nor the present has ever given them a sense of ownership of the DRC, and therefore the Congolese don't own the 'Problem' enough to fight resolve it. That is why tiny puny poor Country of 10 Million heavily polarized can match to Kinshasa 2450 Kilometres in two weeks from Goma on foot in two mixed Divisions and install their puppet in Kinshasa. But Kabila knows damn well what he has to do to correct that - whether he has the guts and sense of history to do so is entirely another matter.

Thirdly, it is not the size or the number of the guns that makes a Soldier. What does is carefully inculcated in consistent and purposeful training and a developing history of a fighting formation. KDF draws from the pride and long history of the Kings African Rifles from Seventy years ago and to the present times, as does probably the UPDF and the JWTZ. DRC has nothing but a empty long dehumanized and brutalized history.

If Kabila makes effects to be more inclusive in his politics, and motivates his people to own the problem of their defense, there will be no lack of external expertise to help him inculcate a fighting culture and ability in his Army, nor the money to finance it.

Btw - what is the logic of 16 clandestine visitors to this blog and only three posts? In an entire day? People need to 'own' this baby, men!

Flying Crane wrote:Hey K.E buddies i received a note that Mt.Kilimanjaro is now T.Z. and K.E has sent a Coy of GSU forces to retrieve it from the T.Z. what going on??

For a moment i thought it was something credible then realised its one of your many stale jokes. Kilimanjaro has always been TZ territory and our respect for international boundaries is paramount.

http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2012/dec/27302/ethiopia_kenya_decided_to_takeover_somalia.aspx
http://www.hiiraan.com/op4/2012/dec/27325/somalia_igad_s_shocking_memorandum_of_understanding.aspx

With semblance of peace coming to Somalia the liberators are now being labelled aggressors. Its important to finish what we started coz the stability of Somalia and vision 2030 are tied to the hip. We need a secure environment around Lapset corridor.
For example Kenya's EEZ (Exclusive Economic Zone) and The continental shelf with Somalia is yet to be formalised. The coastal state has sovereign rights for exploration and exploitation of the natural resources of the seabed and subsoil, including mineral and other non-living resources and living organisms belonging to sedentary species on the 200nm from the coastal baseline. According United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea Article 15 Delimitation of the territorial sea between States with opposite or adjacent coasts where the coasts of two States are opposite or adjacent to each other, neither of the two States is entitled, failing agreement between them to the contrary, to extend its territorial sea beyond the median line.
Kenya’s position is that the maritime boundary, over which there is no formal agreement, should run due east from the point at which the land border meets the coast, like the maritime boundaries of other countries along the coast. While Somalia says the boundary should extend perpendicular to the coastline, giving it a big chunk of the waters claimed by Kenya.
Consultants involved in border demarcation said the two countries won’t have a legitimate boundary until they sign a treaty that delimits the border, but that is unlikely to happen until Somalia has a stable government.
Thats why there is no turning back for . Ke on stabilising Somalia.

Uzi wrote:

Spartan wrote: Any more repetition of charges like these I will, along with other Ugandans withdraw from this forum so you Kenyans can outdo each other with your skewed superiority complex.

This line is becoming common. You shouldn't feel frustrated bcoz other people choose to interpret the issue differently. It aint a Kenyan vs Ug thing. On the same forum Kenyans have been criticizing their own security organs and policies (am yet to see that from Ug) so kindly look at the issue objectively without resorting to blackmail even when others have a diverse opinion.

Good to see I'm not the only one who notices that passive aggressive tone. Also I'm not the only one who objects to it;fyi Spartan your boys choose that tone way back in the nairobichron days. The only ones here with a complex are those with a massive inferiority complex-and it ain't us.

countersniper wrote:its time someone took down the tall thin one and teach his foot soldiers a lesson..he is the one causing all these problems in Congo.we need to show his backers that he can be tamed.
problem is he keeps lashing out at anyone by using the 1994 genocide as cover for all his actions in the eastern Congo region.

RWANDA SCHEMED THIS WHOLE THING
Apparently there has been a report made at the US congress that indeed Rwanda schemed and commanded the M23 rebels.it is also claimed that Rwanda wont settle for anything short of a 'victory' which is a federal / an independent state in Eastern DRC.I guess this to them would be a puppet state they can be leading by proxy & milking it's wealth dry.

http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Kigali-wants-autonomous-state-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1644654/-/srdlvdz/-/index.html

Rwanda under kagame has been involved in too many controversies.It has also rattled almost everyone else in the region.besides the forays in the DRC, there was the confrontation with the UPDF in kisangani in the 90s which led to soar relations with UG for a while.Many may not be aware that around 1996 rwanda tried to assassinate a hutu politician (Faustin Twagiramungu) who had been the first prime minister under RPF but later fell out with kagame & fled to nairobi.Luckily they failed & twagiramungu had to flee to belgium.kenya arrested the two rwandan perpetrators of the act one of which was a diplomat at the rwandan embassy in nairobi. when the moi govt asked rwanda to waive diplomatic immunity so that the guy could be charged rwanda refused & kenya closed down the rwandan embassy in nairobi. soon enough rwanda realized they needed kenya & sued for peace. moi accepted the gesture & even made a state visit to kigali. since then the two nations have become best of friends.
The assassination of dissidents who flee to other nations has continued.two years ago a former RPF general called nyamwasa fell out with the tall thin one & fled to SA thr' UG. rwandan hit men followed him down south & almost badly injured him. SA was mad with rwanda & nyamwasa had to flee to the US. if you ask me, rwanda is biting more than they can chew. They'd rather just move a bit slow on these issues. it isn't ok to open so many fronts.
But maybe this initiative may just put his escapades in check. There was a time DRC was interested in joining the EAC. what happened? we really need them.

Paul Kagame is by far the most bloodthirsty leader in the great lakes region and am just surprised he had managed to cheat and blink his way into the warn hearts of some rich western nations despite all his activities.
he has more blood on his hand than 20 Bashirs put together and yet the world has never come calling action.
Time has come for action
Between 1994 and 1997 i operated variably in eastern Congo and Kigali and the fear and desperation i saw on peoples eyes whenever you mentioned Kagames name is always in my mind.

countersniper wrote:Paul Kagame is by far the most bloodthirsty leader in the great lakes region and am just surprised he had managed to cheat and blink his way into the warn hearts of some rich western nations despite all his activities.
he has more blood on his hand than 20 Bashirs put together and yet the world has never come calling action.
Time has come for action
Between 1994 and 1997 i operated variably in eastern Congo and Kigali and the fear and desperation i saw on peoples eyes whenever you mentioned Kagames name is always in my mind.

He is joined at the hip with the wazungu & they've both been raping eastern DRC

mchoraji wrote:

RWANDA SCHEMED THIS WHOLE THING
Apparently there has been a report made at the US congress that indeed Rwanda schemed and commanded the M23 rebels.it is also claimed that Rwanda wont settle for anything short of a 'victory' which is a federal / an independent state in Eastern DRC.I guess this to them would be a puppet state they can be leading by proxy & milking it's wealth dry.
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Kigali-wants-autonomous-state-in-east-DRC/-/2558/1644654/-/srdlvdz/-/index.html

It was a Congressional Session appearance by the same chap HEGE who chaired the ''Committee of Experts'' that authored that ''offending'' UNSC report on the M23. Obviously there are forces in the American Political Establishment that have determined to sanitize American complicity in the DRC Mess using all manner of tactics including that Report by Hege's Committee.

Many may not be aware that around 1996 rwanda tried to assassinate a hutu politician (Faustin Twagiramungu) who had been the first prime minister under RPF but later fell out with kagame & fled to nairobi. Luckily they failed & T wagiramungu had to flee to belgium. Kenya arrested the two rwandan perpetrators of the act

At that very time, and @C.sniper will validate this, the Recce boys hunted down and exterminated a full expanded-platoon of killers that Kagame had dispatched to Kenya to exhume out and Terminate with prejudice members of the former Ruling class on a large Hit-list. The arrest of the Diplomat was the tail-end of this operation, and that was the last Kagame ever mounted any covert quasi-military operation in Kenya.

There was a time DRC was interested in joining the EAC. what happened? we really need them.

One of the most stringent preconditions for joining the EAC-expanded in the visible reach / control of any government within its borders. Whether that is civil and political control or military. Until Kabila can effectively project his Government in Eastern DRC, it will be very difficult to gain more than an Observer-seat with special ties to the EAC like Soomaliya has become.

@ ole nkarei...i agree largely with your sentiments but here is my personal take..and background..

Former president moi always had an ace up his sleeve when dealing with foreign and national security situations.
that's why the likes of late Gaddafi,and Museveni disliked him but at the same time respected moi because he could be decisive and strike when pushed.
President Kibaki has learned this too late in the sunset years of his presidency
largely due to massive lobbying by the kenyan military top bras and
security inteligensia fuelled by public outcry and regional security implications that pushed his hands off
eyes off style leadership in the start and middle of his ten year presidency over the edge.

When Gaddafi was denied investment plans in Kenya in early1980s he started funding anti moi activities and indeed supported the massive student riots in those years..Moi JUST decided enaf is enaf and ordered all Libyan diplomats out of Kenya and sent the GSU to surround the embassy on loita street as the Libyan officials were asked to close and leave Kenya.
The Libyans only came back to Kenya by helping funding the DP party when kibaki became the opposition leader and their main point man in kibaki regime was none other than the late presidents cousin ALEX mureithi.

MUREITHI was one hell of a smart operator (he operated in the shadows) with very revolutionary ideas on social and economic mobility.Anyone who met him was surprised at his level of thinking and intellect indeed he was closely spied on by SPECIAL BRANCH who believed he had undergone some kind of training in LIBYA)but was never incarcerated. i have never understood why kibaki did not give him a bigger role in his first cabinet... but i guess Matere keriri and the murungarus did not want a revolutionary fellow near the seat of power ..hence they shunted him to the Tana river development AUTHORITY.

Museveni got a doze of mois wrath kidogo tu during the sofia(1988/1987)?? incident and the two men made piece after the brisk tent meeting even though the Kenyan top brass were itching to teach the then restless NRA boys a lesson or two....infact the then kenya army had moved up advance units of men and artillery to mumias and other nearby towns in western Kenya waiting for the final orders to move in while the GSU and AP RUN RIOT and went up to about 30 miles into Uganda.those were the days. i remember at one barracks guys were saying openly saying "sisi tunataka kula xmas huko kampala." sounds familiar?chai kismayu?
fortunately sense prevailed and the thing died down.
I believe this one of the reasons museveni embarked on massive re organization of his NRA into what is now the formidable and portent military force UPDF it is today.

About taking out kagames assassins...i know of one group that was smoked out of a house within RIRUTA in Nairobi area usiku wa manane by them RECCE boys. i will not say what happened to them for obvious reasons.
This Congo thing will have to be faced..and i see a volatile three to four years before the whole thing simmers down with winners and loosers not easy to tell ..but i think KABILA has the chips in his favor if he played the right cards.

countersniper wrote:@ ole nkarei...i agree largely with your sentiments but here is my personal take..and background..

Former president moi always had an ace up his sleeve when dealing with foreign and national security situations.
that's why the likes of late Gaddafi,and Museveni disliked him but at the same time respected moi because he could be decisive and strike when pushed.
President Kibaki has learned this too late in the sunset years of his presidency
largely due to massive lobbying by the kenyan military top bras and
security inteligensia fuelled by public outcry and regional security implications that pushed his hands off
eyes off style leadership in the start and middle of his ten year presidency over the edge.

When Gaddafi was denied investment plans in Kenya in early1980s he started funding anti moi activities and indeed supported the massive student riots in those years..Moi JUST decided enaf is enaf and ordered all Libyan diplomats out of Kenya and sent the GSU to surround the embassy on loita street as the Libyan officials were asked to close and leave Kenya.
The Libyans only came back to Kenya by helping funding the DP party when kibaki became the opposition leader and their main point man in kibaki regime was none other than the late presidents cousin ALEX mureithi.

MUREITHI was one hell of a smart operator (he operated in the shadows) with very revolutionary ideas on social and economic mobility.Anyone who met him was surprised at his level of thinking and intellect indeed he was closely spied on by SPECIAL BRANCH who believed he had undergone some kind of training in LIBYA)but was never incarcerated. i have never understood why kibaki did not give him a bigger role in his first cabinet... but i guess Matere keriri and the murungarus did not want a revolutionary fellow near the seat of power ..hence they shunted him to the Tana river development AUTHORITY.

Museveni got a doze of mois wrath kidogo tu during the sofia(1988/1987)?? incident and the two men made piece after the brisk tent meeting even though the Kenyan top brass were itching to teach the then restless NRA boys a lesson or two....infact the then kenya army had moved up advance units of men and artillery to mumias and other nearby towns in western Kenya waiting for the final orders to move in while the GSU and AP RUN RIOT and went up to about 30 miles into Uganda.those were the days. i remember at one barracks guys were saying openly saying "sisi tunataka kula xmas huko kampala." sounds familiar?chai kismayu?
fortunately sense prevailed and the thing died down.
I believe this one of the reasons museveni embarked on massive re organization of his NRA into what is now the formidable and portent military force UPDF it is today.

About taking out kagames assassins...i know of one group that was smoked out of a house within RIRUTA in Nairobi area usiku wa manane by them RECCE boys. i will not say what happened to them for obvious reasons.
This Congo thing will have to be faced..and i see a volatile three to four years before the whole thing simmers down with winners and loosers not easy to tell ..but i think KABILA has the chips in his favor if he played the right cards.

In my own tours of Kigali I noticed several worrying trends:
-the Tutsi were extremely attached to the strangest myths of origin. One guy told me when they migrated from Ethiopia the Hutu followed them. Why? They needed their cowshit since they were farmers! He said this with a straight face.
-a justification of violence as a political tool. Those guys will kill anybody they feel like and feel nothing. Its nothing wiping out whole villages and thousands as the Congolese are sadly aware
-misplaced faith in Euros and other dishonest narratives. Contrary to the mainstream narrative it was the Hutus who were slaughtered en masse in 94. No less an authority than researchers from I think Northwestern university said as much in 2005 after reviewing population figures. They also feel a weird sense of satisfaction that the Euros are on their side,atoning for the genocide.
-greatly overestimating their importance. In the mid 90s these guys were openly saying Moi would leave, not by elections. They truly see their RPF militia as a NATO standard force with continental projection capability,all due to the ease of harassing the unfortunate Congolese in cross border ops
The intrinsic trouble with the DRC lies in the nature of its natives,IMO. Happy go lucky and fond of ease,the responsibility of protecting their wealth is frankly beyond them. I live for the day I hear a DRC church led initiative calling for a similar Operation linda nchi in the East.

An interesting though lightly spicy piece in the Media. The errors are grave but not fatal to the story written.

Clearly the pages of the TEA are highly corruptive. HEKO jamaa.

http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/DN2/The-world-of-Kenyas-elite-forces/-/957860/1645208/-/item/0/-/ndyuqh/-/index.html

ole Nkarei wrote:An interesting though lightly spicy piece in the Media. The errors are grave but not fatal to the story written.

Clearly the pages of the TEA are highly corruptive. HEKO jamaa.

http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/DN2/The-world-of-Kenyas-elite-forces/-/957860/1645208/-/item/0/-/ndyuqh/-/index.html

I wonder much about writers' motivation than his deficiency in percentage of facts. For those privy to KDF - SF formation and training will digest entire essay to conclude abt 52% inaccuracies and 64% under-rating. By ancestral eyes, Xavier and group trained for SF roles and did overseas training couple of years before 2009 adventure. The famous yutube clip/s is way one of the many recorded and in different force/doctrine orientation. It is interesting how mainstream media not just in that land but World all-over siphone blogs to fill pages without astitute deciphering and research of packaged info and source. No wonder Iron mike transgendered into a queen before iron mike again. @Ole Nkerai....whats all after Kericho brew @ kis-town? After "check-mate" and commanders intent squared, political intent needs to be rapidly achieved and exfil be rapid BUT balanced not to undercook ENTIRE plan. But you guys its pregnant silence since the fall? Whats going on guys? pm if you like.

ole Nkarei wrote:An interesting though lightly spicy piece in the Media. The errors are grave but not fatal to the story written.

Clearly the pages of the TEA are highly corruptive. HEKO jamaa.

http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/DN2/The-world-of-Kenyas-elite-forces/-/957860/1645208/-/item/0/-/ndyuqh/-/index.html

What was the purpose? Doesn't such a write-up unnecessarily disadvantage the KDF, esp the elite units described? (Never mind the errors). Irresponsible journalism.

looks like someone sending a message to someone. however crudely written
enemies beware it seems? we are coming soon ?

@Mogen.
There is nothing substantive in the story which is injurious to the SOCOM. Intact the devious hand of "someone" in scattering this story in all directions is very evident. Lotsa interests on the KDF since OLN started. Remember, a good cover-legend is founded on a verifiable truth and never strays too far off that fulcrum. Nothing to fret about.

@ole sidai - like I had posted a while ago, the dance in Theater has changed and so too are the male dancers. It is now (a) political warfare driven by the bureaucrats in Nairobi - creating Jubbaland, and (b) an attrition of the military politico and financiers of the AS in Juba Gedo lower Shabelle and Bikool - the 30th have open hunting licenses which explains the reduce footprint of the AS in Sector II despite the absence of Armed Contact reports. And because the 30th has field primacy, there is a dearth of formal news from Theater - it is not pretty work what these silent chaps in camouflage T-shirts bristling with guns grenades knives Comms do, to report home about! So, move the fight to politics and decapitate the negative extremist elements so that they cannot impair the political war going on. Hiyo tuu.

mogen wrote:

ole Nkarei wrote:An interesting though lightly spicy piece in the Media. The errors are grave but not fatal to the story written.

Clearly the pages of the TEA are highly corruptive. HEKO jamaa.

http://www.nation.co.ke/Features/DN2/The-world-of-Kenyas-elite-forces/-/957860/1645208/-/item/0/-/ndyuqh/-/index.html

What was the purpose? Doesn't such a write-up unnecessarily disadvantage the KDF, esp the elite units described? (Never mind the errors). Irresponsible journalism.

@ole sidai - like I had posted a while ago, the dance in Theater has changed and so too are the male dancers. It is now (a) political warfare driven by the bureaucrats in Nairobi - creating Jubbaland, and (b) an attrition of the military politico and financiers of the AS in Juba Gedo lower Shabelle and Bikool - the 30th have open hunting licenses which explains the reduce footprint of the AS in Sector II despite the absence of Armed Contact reports. And because the 30th has field primacy, there is a dearth of formal news from Theater - it is not pretty work what these silent chaps in camouflage T-shirts bristling with guns grenades knives Comms do, to report home about! So, move the fight to politics and decapitate the negative extremist elements so that they cannot impair the political war going on. Hiyo tuu.

Tribal mistrust between these communities will never end. Generation after generation the talk is all about tribal affiliation and animosity/sibling wars. Even those born and brought up right here in this gangland are taught tribal doctrination right at the breastfeed. Common dececy would expect young generation to shun such adventure especially being born continent away but wapi??? I find balkanizing the giant land into semi-autonomous federation unified by common interests working to some degree. Those wazees brewing this noble idea should be encouraged by the strides of Somaliland and Puntland. If anything tribes in Europe are countries. For our interest, baby Jubaland should start walking coz time is of the essence as vision 2030 is calling. Also resources need be retooled and shifted elsewhere.

@Ole Nkarei/@HokumA,

It is worth noting nothing in history has ever threatened the very existence of CAR not even wars, but is NATO envisaging a situation where they send a strong force from countries that can barely feed themselves like Chadians. Chadians themselves have a dire need of humanitarian assistance and so does CAR. What is happening to the 'bloody' kenyana region, just the other day I read that AS have restarted polishing their guns somewhere in Somalia, I lost the link but will post it when I find it.

Another problem in Tana Delta is re-emerging that will indeed aggravate our internal security vulnerabilities. Most of your discussions have been focusing on DRC but has been circumventing the CAR which is another imminent blood-bath battle-theater in the making.

I found this interesting, please read on:-
http://www.theafricareport.com/news-analysis/who-are-the-exemplary-armies-in-africa.html

Has the first group of bandits been arrested? I mean the silly ones who threatened to shoot down KDF helios.

wrote:Baragoi suffers fresh attack
Updated 1 hrs 13 mins ago
By Michael Saitoti

SAMBURU, KENYA: Over two hundred heavily armed bandits have attacked Masikita village in Baragoi making away with a thousand goats and four hundred heads of cattle.

The bandits were armed with heavy general purpose machine guns, hand grenades, and weapons that are suspected to be of those police officers killed in Suguta valley in in November...

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000073487&story_title=Kenya-Baragoi-suffers-fresh-attack

ole Nkarei wrote:It is becoming clearer what the End-game of this SADC deployment in Eastern DRC is.

DRC has now officially subsumed all other Public Priorities to National Defence. The Monster might just be about to shake off it's sleazy slumber. Already, Kabila's point-men fanning are out in Kenya, South Africa, Uganda and further afield to raise capacity-expanders - men and equipment. Interesting times ahead!!

If Kabila has his way, DRC will swallow Rwanda and Burundi in the next five years!!

Thanks OK for the insight!

mogen wrote:Has the first group of bandits been arrested? I mean the silly ones who threatened to shoot down KDF helios.

wrote:Baragoi suffers fresh attack
Updated 1 hrs 13 mins ago
By Michael Saitoti

SAMBURU, KENYA: Over two hundred heavily armed bandits have attacked Masikita village in Baragoi making away with a thousand goats and four hundred heads of cattle.

The bandits were armed with heavy general purpose machine guns, hand grenades, and weapons that are suspected to be of those police officers killed in Suguta valley in in November...

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000073487&story_title=Kenya-Baragoi-suffers-fresh-attack

with the inept attitude of the police in Kenya, makes you wonder whether it is simply a situation of the police not up to the job or simply a case of ' dirty politics'. I simply cant imagine 200 bandits roaming without the security doing anything about it, or morons killing each other in Tana region. its simply politics, nobody can be this inept!

mbs wrote:

mogen wrote:Has the first group of bandits been arrested? I mean the silly ones who threatened to shoot down KDF helios.

wrote:Baragoi suffers fresh attack
Updated 1 hrs 13 mins ago
By Michael Saitoti
SAMBURU, KENYA: Over two hundred heavily armed bandits have attacked Masikita village in Baragoi making away with a thousand goats and four hundred heads of cattle.
The bandits were armed with heavy general purpose machine guns, hand grenades, and weapons that are suspected to be of those police officers killed in Suguta valley in in November...

http://www.standardmedia.co.ke/?articleID=2000073487&story_title=Kenya-Baragoi-suffers-fresh-attack

with the inept attitude of the police in Kenya, makes you wonder whether it is simply a situation of the police not up to the job or simply a case of ' dirty politics'. I simply cant imagine 200 bandits roaming without the security doing anything about it, or morons killing each other in Tana region. its simply politics, nobody can be this inept!

I cannot understand how security forces sit around as morons wreck havoc around the country. In Tana River many of the 1800 GSU officers recently deployed there are on the ground yet 41 people lose their lives in a new wave of senseless attacks?. Baragoi, KDF and police have been working with locals to contain the menace. How then do we have 200 heavily armed bandits take off with 2000 goats?

I hope someone is not playing pokies with people's live for political gains.