Kenya Defence Forces (KDF)

Risasi wrote:...we will get bogged down in wishful thinking and day dreaming postings.
and as jas said the Super king, Y-12 are nothing more than operating platforms  

Risasi wrote:

mambotupu wrote:

Risasi wrote:

@mambo
the dinner was made fit for an Africa chief

 at the Pentagon


with a direct counterpart Gen.Martin E. Dempsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey





as well as else where too.

Risasi wrote:I feel your missing the point. lets bite what we can chew. when we
bring in privileged UAV like RQ-4,RQ-9,RQ-1,U2 etc we will get bogged down in wishful thinking and day dreaming postings.
and as jas said the Super king, Y-12 are nothing more than operating platforms  and its ideally right to employ a platform that is established in your logistic and servicing systems rather than employing a newer one.  

in a short dialects and in our mode of ops:
the Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft will be system-providing effect tool (detect , locate and identify ISR info. i.e investigating environments with its multi range sensor) while the UAV is a system enabler, a means of surveilling/monitoring known ISR information. 

Compact Multimission Isr Aircraft
in peace time
1.electro-Reconnaissance collects  platform on rival forces  military radio or radar frequencies, ranges for both sea and land emitting institution, mapping out points of interest 100km adjacent to our common border. real time  electronic emitting mapping.
2.locating enemies forward operations base ,troops  and equipment concentrated areas ,road leading to and way from points of interest.

in war time
locating known  hostile frequency eg. Air defense batteries ,listen into know enemy radio frequencies
airborne command and control in-theater platforms in conjunction with several system enablers ,UAV.

Flying Crane wrote:

...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16

mchoraji wrote:










Hii kitu has excited the blog a bit........hata Flying Crane ametoklezea       

Flying Crane wrote:

Risasi wrote:

mambotupu wrote:

Risasi wrote:

@mambo
the dinner was made fit for an Africa chief

 at the Pentagon


with a direct counterpart Gen.Martin E. Dempsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey





as well as else where too.

yes its me if you feel the room kind of get a little bit hotter.....



 



@ risasi so you were throwing us out of the trail, not so? good smoke screen...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16. 



ok the cats out of the bag share us some details.

jasiri wrote:

MWAURA wrote:

Risasi wrote:by th way wapi bloggers like A.K.A mwaura   

Still around,checking in every other day! Still waiting for detail from Jasiri or anyone else  about the Merk 4s. IMO,its one of the most important deals since independence. Really!

This one is pretty sealed, im not in a position to confirm anything sa hizi..

Flying Crane wrote:

Risasi wrote:

mambotupu wrote:

Risasi wrote:

@mambo
the dinner was made fit for an Africa chief

 at the Pentagon


with a direct counterpart Gen.Martin E. Dempsey http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Dempsey





as well as else where too.

yes its me if you feel the room kind of get a little bit hotter.....



 



@ risasi so you were throwing us out of the trail, not so? good smoke screen...its apparent that your goodies birds will be from the west and not from the east , like all those who operated F-5 the ultimate dream fighter would be a F-16. 



ok the cats out of the bag share us some details.

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

Olekoima wrote:

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?

jasiri wrote:

Olekoima wrote:

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?

@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas. 
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in. 

btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?

deconstructor wrote:

jasiri wrote:

Olekoima wrote:

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?

@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas. 
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in. 

btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?

The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.

Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.

I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....

jasiri wrote:

deconstructor wrote:

jasiri wrote:

Olekoima wrote:

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?

@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas. 
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in. 

btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?

The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.

Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.

I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....

@Olekoima, Egypt and Argentina are negotiating for the domestic production of these birds. They are to replace the 16's in Egyptian service while the Sukhois are to replace Phantoms... HI-LO. You cant really use an advanced multi-role for these skirmish-mode fights. Advanced birds are expensive to keep flying (ask Flying Crane) and so nations usually reserve them for more serious roles and use the cheaper birds for Somalia type ops.
@Deconstructor i think you do not understand. the Woo family is selling you a platform. If you put a floodlight in place of a radar and fix spears for missiles that's your business. That is why its cheap. Pakistani birds use Grifo S pulse doppler radars that have impressive specs. Our military has a fetish for Israeli radars, they can have an elta 2052 aesa radar coupled with american anti-armour missiles and european anti-radiation missiles...trust me, they have no problem selling u their missiles. Ask pakistan and their never ending stock of American missiles. Expensive doesn't neccesarily mean best and when you are fighting for money with infrastructure projects, it may just be the one.

Kobooz wrote:I would avoid putting my money into woos fighter jet technology for now. Wacha kwanza wafike kiwango ya the big boys in that league. I bet you the product will have teething problems

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
#BREAKING: this helicopter is seen coming from #Somalia heading to a military base in #Mandera, #Kenya. 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657644122513408

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
This #Kenyan helicopter suspected to have hit an #Alshabaab base in the #Somali border. 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657924213936128

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
The helicopter now heads to a #KDF base in #Mandera town, #Kenya. 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658159111733248

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
Kenyan helicopter now going out of #KDF military base. #Kenya 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658578881880064

jasiri wrote:and this is where i call in Risasi...

Risasi wrote:

jasiri wrote:and this is where i call in Risasi...

hehehhehe stared a honnet nest there buddy hehehhe... the bird has a love hate relation hapa kwa blog

deconstructor wrote:

jasiri wrote:

deconstructor wrote:

jasiri wrote:

Olekoima wrote:

jasiri wrote:@Mwaura, Nothing on PM.
@ Blog, i do not sincerely think we would be going for Falcons as our main birds. F-16's have been used to upgrade from F-5's, it would take a very foolish military to use them as air superiority fighters in this era of super-maneuverable jets. Kenya WILL go for a high-low mix of advanced aerial superiority warbirds and multi-role ground attack birds. Personaly i liked the Idea of the FC-1 fighter/bomber replacing the F-5 sijui if Risasi can elaborate on how this project went coz im sure by now hehas a pretty good idea of the direction KAF is taking but he is playing it close to his chest    (FC-1 + MiG 35 in hi-lo maybe?       ) . Do not read much into commander-in-the-cockpit pics.

I beg to disagree. The F-16 is still a top notch fighter in use by a number of respectable and leading airforces around the world and it will still continue being a front runner for decades to come even as replacements such as the F-35, Eurofighter Typhoon and dassault Rafale continue to fill the gaps left by this fighter. What is more, it has a proven track record yet easy to maintain with spare parts awash in the market. It makes a lot of sense for KAF to upgrade to this fighter. It may be a little below the SU-27/30, but one can always get round this by procuring the bird in larger numbers after all it is much more cheaper. After being a little too cosy with the Chinese, uncle Sam is unlikely to offer the much preferred F-15 to Kenya for fear of their technology being stolen and copied. As for the FC-1 i' am not sure, but i thought it is just an improved F-16. Not so? In addition i have read stories of Chinese struggling with Jet engines. Have they overcome this yet?

@Deconstructor The FC 1 is not Mig 21. This bird, the Shenyang F 7 is the Mig. FC 1, this one is what im talking about. Unlike the F-16 it offers a kind of upgrade flexibility that western fighter dont. It is built with this in mind in that the software that drives this bird can easily be modified by the host air force to adapt into whatever weapon or system they please. They call this, Open Architecture. This means you can have FC-1's from 4 different country utilising four different weapons and radar packages. With the F-16 this things are standard and any upgrade must be pre approved. Now u can imagine being on their wrong side (like the Pakistanis) and all of a sudden you have no permission to upgrade or capacity to service. So if an Aesa system is your primary concern, wory not, the air force can install it if they want to. Btw Argentina is going for this babies, n remember they'll probably have to face off against Typhoons in the Falklands/Las Malvinas. 
@Olekoima I do not know of a country that employs the Falcon as an aerial superiority bird, even the Egyptians are looking for Sukhois saa hii. I said the air force will go for a HI-LO mix of fighters. Air superiority birds (what are our pilots doing in Russia?) and ground attack birds. This is where the FC-1 comes in. 

btw note that the FC-1 and the JF-17 are different birds. the JF-17 is a Pakistani mod of the FC-1 and the FC-1 is the original platform. Kuna Swali?

The only good thing about the Fc1 is its cost. But I don't think KDF needs a cheap low end jet, but rather an effective modern fighter plane.

Can Kenya afford a Hi Lo mix.

I said it was a Mig21 because its a modification of the super 7, which is a modification of the J7, which is a copy of the Mig21. The only modifying of its software will be to only accommodate Chnese weapons. I doubt Occident countries will give up the codes for their weapons to be integrated. It will be many years until they are able to give it a HMS, IRST, FBW, more hard points....

@Olekoima, Egypt and Argentina are negotiating for the domestic production of these birds. They are to replace the 16's in Egyptian service while the Sukhois are to replace Phantoms... HI-LO. You cant really use an advanced multi-role for these skirmish-mode fights. Advanced birds are expensive to keep flying (ask Flying Crane) and so nations usually reserve them for more serious roles and use the cheaper birds for Somalia type ops.
@Deconstructor i think you do not understand. the Woo family is selling you a platform. If you put a floodlight in place of a radar and fix spears for missiles that's your business. That is why its cheap. Pakistani birds use Grifo S pulse doppler radars that have impressive specs. Our military has a fetish for Israeli radars, they can have an elta 2052 aesa radar coupled with american anti-armour missiles and european anti-radiation missiles...trust me, they have no problem selling u their missiles. Ask pakistan and their never ending stock of American missiles. Expensive doesn't neccesarily mean best and when you are fighting for money with infrastructure projects, it may just be the one.

Jasiri my brother I think you might be underestimating the amount of time, money, and effort it would take to produce a westernized version of the Fc1. It would be practically producing a new aircraft, something along the lines of the Su30mki.

It would end up being cheaper to buy new build F16s than build this aircraft. If it was easy, it would have already been done.

obienga wrote:Is it wise that this individual is reporting on field operations complete with photos?

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
#BREAKING: this helicopter is seen coming from #Somalia heading to a military base in #Mandera, #Kenya. 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657644122513408

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
This #Kenyan helicopter suspected to have hit an #Alshabaab base in the #Somali border. 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501657924213936128

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
The helicopter now heads to a #KDF base in #Mandera town, #Kenya. 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658159111733248

Live From Somalia @AbdulazizHOA  ·  6h
Kenyan helicopter now going out of #KDF military base. #Kenya 
https://twitter.com/AbdulazizHOA/status/501658578881880064

http://www.punchng.com/news/jonathan-seeks-1bn-loan-to-fight-boko-haram/ wrote:President Goodluck Jonathan has asked the House of Representatives to grant approval to his government to borrow an external loan of $1bn(about N165bn).

http://www.punchng.com/news/boko-haram-overruns-police-academy-in-borno/ wrote:A riot police training academy near Gwoza, Borno State has been overrun by Boko Haram   militants.