Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania (JWTZ)

deconstructor wrote:TZ in Congo
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Uzi wrote:

deconstructor wrote:TZ in Congo
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 Looking gud. Which rifles are this?

Define irony; “a person who loves Israeli guns, has an avatar on one but can,t  identify one if he comes across it”   
come on UZI The rifle is a IWI Galil MAR  http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=603
with a mepro 21 sight a consignment that arrived from Tel Aviv +2 yr back
 the  meprosight is a plus plus in today weaponlogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9YKVKti2g
kudos JWTZ
 

Flying Crane wrote:

Uzi wrote:

deconstructor wrote:TZ in Congo
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 Looking gud. Which rifles are this?

 



Define irony; “a person who loves Israeli guns, has an avatar on one but can,t  identify one if he comes across it”   
come on UZI The rifle is a IWI Galil MAR  http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=603
with a mepro 21 sight a consignment that arrived from Tel Aviv +2 yr back
 the  meprosight is a plus plus in today weaponlogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9YKVKti2g
kudos JWTZ
 

Uzi wrote:

Flying Crane wrote:

Uzi wrote:

deconstructor wrote:TZ in Congo
from www.sinodefenceforum.com

 Looking gud. Which rifles are this?

 



Define irony; “a person who loves Israeli guns, has an avatar on one but can,t  identify one if he comes across it”   
come on UZI The rifle is a IWI Galil MAR  http://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/detail.asp?smallarms_id=603
with a mepro 21 sight a consignment that arrived from Tel Aviv +2 yr back
 the  meprosight is a plus plus in today weaponlogy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd9YKVKti2g
kudos JWTZ
 

Got me crane. I had my suspicions but the additional scopes did me plus i had never known Tz to shop in .il

Lt. Col. Seromba was TPDF’s head of IT department which handles all crucial classified documents of the army

tempest wrote:9 x Grey F-7s at Dar on 03 July 13



New shelters and buildings at Mwanza. This for me suggests the rumours for the fighters at Mwanza being upgraded are true. Before and after.

dussa wrote:

The Tanzanian People's Defence Force (TPDF) Air Wing has quietly replaced its 12 old CAC J-7 fighters with 14 new J-7s, a usually reliable source has told IHS Jane's .

The TPDF now has 12 single-seat J-7G (Tanzanian designation F-7TN) and two dual-seat J-7N (designated FT-7TN) aircraft. They were apparently ordered in 2009, with the deliveries completed in 2011. The fighters are now fully operational at to Dar es Salaam and Mwanza air bases.

The Tanzanian fighters differ from the J-7s supplied to Namibia and Nigeria in 2009 and 2010 respectively in having a new Chinese fire-control system that uses the KLJ-6E Falcon radar, whereas the Namibian and Nigerian aircraft have a Selex Galileo Grifo 7 radar.   ---  via janes.com

Source: http://www.wavuti.com/4/post/2013/11/tanzania-swaps-old-j-7-fighters-for-new-ones-j-7g.html#ixzz2ksuZO4EF 

dussa wrote:

The Tanzanian People's Defence Force (TPDF) Air Wing has quietly replaced its 12 old CAC J-7 fighters with 14 new J-7s, a usually reliable source has told IHS Jane's .

The TPDF now has 12 single-seat J-7G (Tanzanian designation F-7TN) and two dual-seat J-7N (designated FT-7TN) aircraft. They were apparently ordered in 2009, with the deliveries completed in 2011. The fighters are now fully operational at to Dar es Salaam and Mwanza air bases.

The Tanzanian fighters differ from the J-7s supplied to Namibia and Nigeria in 2009 and 2010 respectively in having a new Chinese fire-control system that uses the KLJ-6E Falcon radar, whereas the Namibian and Nigerian aircraft have a Selex Galileo Grifo 7 radar.   ---  via janes.com

Source: http://www.wavuti.com/4/post/2013/11/tanzania-swaps-old-j-7-fighters-for-new-ones-j-7g.html#ixzz2ksuZO4EF 

Risasi wrote:to add on want has  be shared above,  without prejudice, this is how the strategy went through.   

 JWTZ like many regional armed forces got bogged in the initial stages of  the " IGAD"  bloc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IGAD.PNG arms race. jwtz opted for a new fighter precisely the Mig-29.
Jwtz key points :
1. the MiG29 share identical functional cockpit as the MiG21.  jwtz J-7 Chinese copy of the MiG21 , the Mig29 would render a smooth conversion with the shortest time frame .
2.just like most AF that had the west F-5 migrated/upgrade to F-16s, most AF with east MiG21 migrated Mig29 . they is a lot of literature behind that that I don,t want to get into.

 days turned into months and at that period, formidable partnership with its southern neighbours and steady becoming north neighbours jwtz realised that no visible threats exist on its horizon,  that would warrant a  revamp and a sudden patch up of her air force.

concurrently JWTZ J-7 squadrons were aging up ,time between failures and reliability  was on the down trend.    to fill that gap with out major upgrading of its AF i.e runway hangars ,service bay etc.  JWTZ opted for 3 stop gap measures listed in priority.
 
1. revamp and upgrade the remainder J-7
2. procure additional second hand J-7 or Mig21 or Mig-21 upgrades
3. New J-7 upgrade direct from the production line (suggested/ advised by china) and cannibalise the old fighters for hardware spares.

JWTZ settled for the third option, giving her 30 yrs on low maintenance , allowing new fighters in the market to mature and within this period  systematically procure a  new fighters(+7-10yrs down the lane)  with all the required supporting infrastructures at its GDP pace.

the new J-7 major features and advantages that I feel attracted JWTZ was its new china radar designated KLJ-6 Falcon series E  which is a license-built version of the Isreali radar  Elta EL/M-2001B for the Kfir fighter a Mirage 5 derivate. the KLJ-6 Falcon  series F rumoured to be in the  new JWTZ crafts has BVR capabilities of +60km.

deconstructor wrote:

Risasi wrote:to add on want has  be shared above,  without prejudice, this is how the strategy went through.   

 JWTZ like many regional armed forces got bogged in the initial stages of  the " IGAD"  bloc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IGAD.PNG arms race. jwtz opted for a new fighter precisely the Mig-29.
Jwtz key points :
1. the MiG29 share identical functional cockpit as the MiG21.  jwtz J-7 Chinese copy of the MiG21 , the Mig29 would render a smooth conversion with the shortest time frame .
2.just like most AF that had the west F-5 migrated/upgrade to F-16s, most AF with east MiG21 migrated Mig29 . they is a lot of literature behind that that I don,t want to get into.

 days turned into months and at that period, formidable partnership with its southern neighbours and steady becoming north neighbours jwtz realised that no visible threats exist on its horizon,  that would warrant a  revamp and a sudden patch up of her air force.

concurrently JWTZ J-7 squadrons were aging up ,time between failures and reliability  was on the down trend.    to fill that gap with out major upgrading of its AF i.e runway hangars ,service bay etc.  JWTZ opted for 3 stop gap measures listed in priority.
 
1. revamp and upgrade the remainder J-7
2. procure additional second hand J-7 or Mig21 or Mig-21 upgrades
3. New J-7 upgrade direct from the production line (suggested/ advised by china) and cannibalise the old fighters for hardware spares.

JWTZ settled for the third option, giving her 30 yrs on low maintenance , allowing new fighters in the market to mature and within this period  systematically procure a  new fighters(+7-10yrs down the lane)  with all the required supporting infrastructures at its GDP pace.

the new J-7 major features and advantages that I feel attracted JWTZ was its new china radar designated KLJ-6 Falcon series E  which is a license-built version of the Isreali radar  Elta EL/M-2001B for the Kfir fighter a Mirage 5 derivate. the KLJ-6 Falcon  series F rumoured to be in the  new JWTZ crafts has BVR capabilities of +60km.

they might have a problem in the future, within the 7 to 10 years before they buy a new fighter is a lack of spare parts because the J7 production line is about to be closed(might be closed already). Cannibalized or second hand parts might lead to accidents.
I thought the KLJ-6 radar had a range of 30 to 40km?

Risasi wrote:

deconstructor wrote:

Risasi wrote:to add on want has  be shared above,  without prejudice, this is how the strategy went through.   

 JWTZ like many regional armed forces got bogged in the initial stages of  the " IGAD"  bloc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:IGAD.PNG arms race. jwtz opted for a new fighter precisely the Mig-29.
Jwtz key points :
1. the MiG29 share identical functional cockpit as the MiG21.  jwtz J-7 Chinese copy of the MiG21 , the Mig29 would render a smooth conversion with the shortest time frame .
2.just like most AF that had the west F-5 migrated/upgrade to F-16s, most AF with east MiG21 migrated Mig29 . they is a lot of literature behind that that I don,t want to get into.

 days turned into months and at that period, formidable partnership with its southern neighbours and steady becoming north neighbours jwtz realised that no visible threats exist on its horizon,  that would warrant a  revamp and a sudden patch up of her air force.

concurrently JWTZ J-7 squadrons were aging up ,time between failures and reliability  was on the down trend.    to fill that gap with out major upgrading of its AF i.e runway hangars ,service bay etc.  JWTZ opted for 3 stop gap measures listed in priority.
 
1. revamp and upgrade the remainder J-7
2. procure additional second hand J-7 or Mig21 or Mig-21 upgrades
3. New J-7 upgrade direct from the production line (suggested/ advised by china) and cannibalise the old fighters for hardware spares.

JWTZ settled for the third option, giving her 30 yrs on low maintenance , allowing new fighters in the market to mature and within this period  systematically procure a  new fighters(+7-10yrs down the lane)  with all the required supporting infrastructures at its GDP pace.

the new J-7 major features and advantages that I feel attracted JWTZ was its new china radar designated KLJ-6 Falcon series E  which is a license-built version of the Isreali radar  Elta EL/M-2001B for the Kfir fighter a Mirage 5 derivate. the KLJ-6 Falcon  series F rumoured to be in the  new JWTZ crafts has BVR capabilities of +60km.

they might have a problem in the future, within the 7 to 10 years before they buy a new fighter is a lack of spare parts because the J7 production line is about to be closed(might be closed already). Cannibalized or second hand parts might lead to accidents.
I thought the KLJ-6 radar had a range of 30 to 40km?

 I think, am not sure they are or is an east bloc country manufactuing MiG21 parts. the total number of MiG21 and Chinese derivatives  are +1000 . some one out there India or a bric nation will tap that spare part market or at least offer reconditioning services. I also think china might cut off production line but continue in spare manufacturing.

 this days you don't have to have brains or go to a sophisticated military academy to formulate a running AF, army or navy. there Ex-military experts out there who have been in that business for their mother country +30yrs , i.e EX-Russian Generals, Chinese(in the case of the Tz) or even Americans , British (NATO for that matter), who can  build you a running airforce module (departments , ranks etc)for a fee in reference to your countries GDP and assumed threat. to them that's nothing 12 aircrafts is hardly a squadron vs 20 western or 6 eastern  from a neighbour. that's a small time military exercise and a of cup of tea. he also knows the right tom dick and harry that have been dealing with those subjects finically, mechanical and training. sawa ?

the contract could also include a 5 yrs follow up and advices plan. its very legal ,their selling ideas and experience. all this can happen in a fraction of a month if your willing to drop your pride and get advice from people that have done the job for the last +30 yres

the BVR radar is the KLJ-6F that I am sure of google it up. KLJ-6E is a normal pulse Doppler radar.

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