Jeshi la Wananchi wa Tanzania (JWTZ)

@Shemiji mbona kimya tena ? umeona silaha zaki americani na za uwingereza?
Kenya use to be a threath zamani. But now its just like any other military force in east Africa. You guys lost it when you couldn,t keep up with military investments. Sasa ngoma ni draw.

mzalendo wrote:@Shemiji mbona kimya tena ? umeona silaha zaki americani na za uwingereza?
Kenya use to be a threath zamani. But now its just like any other military force in east Africa. You guys lost it when you couldn,t keep up with military investments. Sasa ngoma ni draw.

Hamna!! Wacha hayo, shemeji! Upgrade sio bundiki na FFU haijatengwa kwa vita bana. Lakini usijale sababu vita kati yetu wawili haitatokeo kamwe. Kama sivyo, basi kamchukuwe huu ndada yako binti Swai mrudishe kwa baba yake huko Arusha!! Hehehe!

ni kweli sheee . I don,t think it will ever reach that bitter cold stare between this two countries..but kwa maajili ya mjadhala nitatuma picha kalikali ili tujumwike sote.

Vipi Dada akupa ma pishimema. Mahajumati na kadhalika..

jeshi la polisi.

mzalendo wrote:ni kweli sheee . I don,t think it will ever reach that bitter cold stare between this two countries..but kwa maajili ya mjadhala nitatuma picha kalikali ili tujumwike sote.

Vipi Dada akupa ma pishimema. Mahajumati na kadhalika..

jeshi la polisi.

Ndio kweli, hakuna dalili za vita, bahati kwangu kwavile uyu dada mchaga, nyota la mwanga maishani mwangu, bana - talaka haiwezekani kabisa!! Lakini bona unapost picha za Police wa crowd-control? hapa waitwa AP-wa-kawaida, kazi kuwatwanga stone-throwing magaida in football matches!! You can do much better, Sheee!

mzalendo wrote:Mmh shemeji where are you?
These are some of the pictures I was promising you. Our forces have been modernized with new equipments. These are some of our latest assault riles. More are to come.

Heee mzalendo .holding fancy assault rifles doesn’t warrant it to be a specialized force. Special Forces have a heavy mandate to handle. Are you serious really ? this is your version of special forces? special forces are so versatile that even simple weapons like Bolt action rifle can be lethal weapons in their hands. Anyway congratulations for purchasing newer rifles.

vifaru vyetu vyenye ustadi wa “night vision”


Missile na Vivaru vya NAG anti tank vina uwezo waku vamia kwa juu . Ustandi huu ni bora zaidi kuliko missle za kuvamiya na kando .


Maswala ya angani 2K12 Kub

mzalendo wrote:Mmh shemeji where are you?
These are some of the pictures I was promising you. Our forces have been modernized with new equipments. These are some of our latest assault riles. More are to come.

Kakangu Mzalendo, Umiliki wa bunduki za P-90 na Ar-15 hazitoshelezi kufuzu kikosi hiki kama kikosi maalum. Ingalikua vyema kama ungetualezea hiki ni kitengo cha jeshi la polisi ama ni jeshi la taifa? Licha ya yote ningalipenda kuwapongeza kwa kupata vifaa hivi vya kisasa, inanielezea kwamba nyinyi si malofa vile nilivyowadhania.

jasiri wrote:

mzalendo wrote:Mmh shemeji where are you?
These are some of the pictures I was promising you. Our forces have been modernized with new equipments. These are some of our latest assault riles. More are to come.

Kakangu Mzalendo, Umiliki wa bunduki za P-90 na Ar-15 hazitoshelezi kufuzu kikosi hiki kama kikosi maalum. Ingalikua vyema kama ungetualezea hiki ni kitengo cha jeshi la polisi ama ni jeshi la taifa? Licha ya yote ningalipenda kuwapongeza kwa kupata vifaa hivi vya kisasa, inanielezea kwamba nyinyi si malofa vile nilivyowadhania.

Guys, this man is my inlaw, so go easy on him unless you wish me deprived of my other comforts! Lakini mimi shee natulia tuu, bana! Ni hawa majambazi wakenya wakolofi!!
Lakini hata hivyo -''Field Force Unit'' is not Army. I know the detail of their Kit, as well as their other operational detail. Lete Jeshi hapa, Shee, tafadhali!

I like some of their machines. What is this 2K12 Kub? Looks deadly.

Olekoima wrote:I like some of their machines. What is this 2K12 Kub? Looks deadly.

Pretty old stuff, last production in the mid-eighties. And combat effectiveness not certain, in battery-form, due to usual equipment loss / mechanical disrepair / etc. etc. Typical state genereally speaking at the present moment of the much vaunted TZ-Missile Shield. Little expenditure on replacement and modernisation in the past twenty years, while it remains mostly a infantry-defined Military Force.



The 2K12 "Kub" (Russian: 2К12 "Куб"; English: cube) mobile surface-to-air missile system is a Soviet low to medium-level air defence system designed to protect ground forces from air attack. "2К12" is the GRAU designation of the system. Kub is known in the west by its NATO reporting name "Gainful" as well as the US Department of Defense designation SA-6.

Each 2K12 battery consists of a number of similar tracked vehicles, one of which carries the 1S91 (SURN vehicle, NATO designation "Straight Flush") 25 kW G/H band radar (range 75 km/47 miles) equipped with a continuous wave illuminator, in addition to an optical sight. The battery usually also includes four triple-missile transporter erector launchers (TELs) and four trucks each carrying three spare missiles and a crane. TEL is based on a GM-578 chassis, while the 1S91 radar vehicle on a GM-568, all developed and produced by MMZ. Variants 3M9, 3M9M1, 3M9M3, 3M9M4
Weight 599 kg
Length 5800 mm
Diameter 335 mm
Warhead Frag-HE
Warhead weight 59 kg
Detonation mechanism Contact and proximity
Wingspan 1.245 m
Propellant integral rocket motor/ramjet booster and sustainer motor
range 24 kilometres (15 mi)
Flight altitude Max. 14,000 metres (46,000 ft)
Min. 100 metres (330 ft)
Speed Mach 2.8
Guidance system semi-active radar homing
Launch
platform 2P25 TEL

Ole Nkarei, with a peak power of 1.5MW is this machine susceptible to Anti-Radiation missiles?

Buddies Give credit where its due bwana . Hizi ni salaha sawa. Our Missle defense shield is very much online and working.. why don,t you try it

The NAG anti Tank system .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nag_(missile)#Operators

JWTZ AIR BASE
during the last year military Exercise



fighters ready for action

Bana wee!!! Mimi I am brave, but not brave enough to risk loosing uyo dada yako! wengine watajibu. Hopefully there will not be open hostilities between kDoD and JWTZ anytime soon, ndugu yangu Mzalendo. Ee bana wee!!

jasiri wrote:Ole Nkarei, with a peak power of 1.5MW is this machine susceptible to Anti-Radiation missiles?

Anti radiation missile is a big investment.. But if you look into the info that Col. Nkarei posted, you will see the Achilles' heel of the system. I am sure that the Tz official wetted their pants when they so it being mention casually on this site.

@ jasiri Wewe wajifanya bingwa mwanahewa point it out the Achilles' heel in the system.

Good stuff mzalendo. Keep on posting more.

THE TRANSPORTERS
Shaanxi Y-8
Capacity: ≈90 equipped troops
Payload: 20,000 kg
Range: 5,615km


DHC-5 Buffalo
Capacity: 41 troops
Payload: 8,164 kg
Range: 1,112 km

Harbin Y-12
Capacity: 17 passengers
payload: 5700 kg
Range: 1,340 km

ATTACK CHOPPERS.
Hughes/MD 500
Capacity: 4
Range: 370 km
payload:1361 kg

mzalendo wrote:THE TRANSPORTERS
Shaanxi Y-8
Capacity: ≈90 equipped troops
Payload: 20,000 kg
Range: 5,615km


DHC-5 Buffalo
Capacity: 41 troops
Payload: 8,164 kg
Range: 1,112 km

Harbin Y-12
Capacity: 17 passengers
payload: 5700 kg
Range: 1,340 km

ATTACK CHOPPERS.
Hughes/MD 500
Capacity: 4
Range: 370 km
payload:1361 kg

Tank-killer Choppers? MD500 to boot? Which strain? how many? When?
For a TZ Chopper the hue is incorrrect on the one in your post - looks to me like a Kenyan 50th Air-Calv bird over magadi on a training CAP. The Colours are not visible either. Wee shemeji wee!! Wacha hayo!!

I think the Hughes/MD 500 is not Tanzanian. All the sources i have checked do not show that TZ has this type of chopper. Any link bwana mzalendo?

Olekoima wrote:I think the Hughes/MD 500 is not Tanzanian. All the sources i have checked do not show that TZ has this type of chopper. Any link bwana mzalendo?

Asiye kubali kushidwa si mshindani bwana.
JWTZ is like an ocean very few know what is going on inside. I promised you an posted pictures that you guys never imagine existed in our arsenals. Sio?

Hadithi za links tena zatoka wapi ndugu

More stuff

The Gulfstream 500/550

Capacity: 19 passengers
Range: 10,700 km

Short SD3-30

Crew: Three
Range: 1,695 km

This one too you will not find it in the wikipedia yet we have it.

mzalendo wrote:

Olekoima wrote:I think the Hughes/MD 500 is not Tanzanian. All the sources i have checked do not show that TZ has this type of chopper. Any link bwana mzalendo?

Asiye kubali kushidwa si mshindani bwana.
JWTZ is like an ocean very few know what is going on inside. I promised you an posted pictures that you guys never imagine existed in our arsenals. Sio?

Hadithi za links tena zatoka wapi ndugu

Shemeji, skiza bana . See the elevation of the Kilimanjaro, it’s snow-cap , the position of the sun on it? I know that area damn well, grew up in it. Had JWTZ ‘’invaded’’ Kenya (nothing strategically vital in that sector to invite a snooping aerial visit). Moreover the Camo on that bird is all wrong for your JWTZ , Force-colours missing. The thing is unarmed, a trainer most likely (a unarmed cross-border sortie even if the border is friendly?). No MD 500 in Tanzania, shemeji. Prove it – post a clear shot with the colours and Camo visible.

mzalendo wrote:

Olekoima wrote:I think the Hughes/MD 500 is not Tanzanian. All the sources i have checked do not show that TZ has this type of chopper. Any link bwana mzalendo?

Asiye kubali kushidwa si mshindani bwana.
JWTZ is like an ocean very few know what is going on inside. I promised you an posted pictures that you guys never imagine existed in our arsenals. Sio?

Hadithi za links tena zatoka wapi ndugu

No ndugu. It is not a question of Asiye kubali kushindwa. Hapana, hakuna mashindano hapa, lakini i just got curious and wanted to be clear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MD_Helicopters_MD_500

Shee shee, wewe mchungu kweli! You have studied the position of the sunlight and topography and pin pointed its hovering position. Safi sana bwana.

Haya basi ndugu zanguni.. Lakini la msingi ni kwamba

1. MD500 is roaming around Kilimanjaro
2. it not a Kenyan. That is for sure
3. Its not a civilian one too but a military helicopter.

Lakini sijui kwa nini mwatatizwa sana nasi kuwa na MD500. JWTZ kwani pia sini jeshi lenye uwezo waki leo? Leave the MD500 for a future proval.

Twende kwa mjadala wa pili.

Olekoima, Shemeji,jasiri, Mjeshi, flying crane na rubani risasi (sijui kapotela wapi Libya ama nini??), na wa dadisi wote wa silaha kwenye mtandao huu .jee swali ni

From what I have posted lately, between the 5 east African states which state has a better Air Force transport capability?
kila mmoja atume jibu halafu tuinge kwa mjadala wa fighters zitu
asanteni

mzalendo wrote:Shee shee, wewe mchungu kweli! You have studied the position of the sunlight and topography and pin pointed its hovering position. Safi sana bwana.

Haya basi ndugu zanguni.. Lakini la msingi ni kwamba

1. MD500 is roaming around Kilimanjaro
2. it not a Kenyan. That is for sure
3. Its not a civilian one too but a military helicopter.

Lakini sijui kwa nini mwatatizwa sana nasi kuwa na MD500. JWTZ kwani pia sini jeshi lenye uwezo waki leo? Leave the MD500 for a future proval.

It is perfectly in order for JWTZ to own a MD500 chopper. We have no problem with that. After all it is an East African force and we appreciate. I don't think each member state is intent on fighting another.
As for air transport fleet, i may not be sure, but i thought Kenya had a much bigger fleet in the region. I stand to be corrected though.

we are not fighting guys. Its just a debate like in parliament. There after they are no hard feelings. We can drink some tea or beer. These discussions can help us all. I believe they are military personnel that visit the site. who knows ,they could pick up some useful details and ideas which will develop our air force and the region at

Ok according tho Olekoima
its the Kenyan side but his still isn,t sure . so he is just being a patriot.

Kenya has only two types of transporters that we have .the Buffalo and the Y-12 . we also have more heavier newer therefore reliable lifters like the Y-8 and robust carriers that can land vitally anywhere SD 3 -30. come on lets give credit where its due.

East African Air forces:-

KENYA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/kenya/index.php
UGANDA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/uganda/index.php
TANZANIA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/tanzania/index.php
RWANDA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/rwanda/index.php
BURUNDI- http://www.milaviapress.com/burundi/index.php

I believe these links might give us the insight.

looks like Tz has a vast range of transportors

Olekoima wrote:East African Air forces:-

KENYA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/kenya/index.php
UGANDA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/uganda/index.php
TANZANIA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/tanzania/index.php
RWANDA- http://www.milaviapress.com/orbat/rwanda/index.php
BURUNDI- http://www.milaviapress.com/burundi/index.php

I believe these links might give us the insight.

I see inaccuracies and omissions on the Kenyan Index, and errors in the Rwandan Index too. But it is generally indicative of the stores in each country though.